p4p top 10 after saturday night and calzaghes retirement??

[kingfrnk]

Are you serious?? So Cotto beating Jennings somehow bumps him back up above Hopkins, Mosley & Izzy??

& where are Rafa & Calderon??

& I'm a big Berto fan but there's no way that right now he's even in the top 20. Guys like Dawson, Caballero, Valero, Soto have all done considerably more to deserve being in or around the top 10 than he has.

exactly thats an aweful list he only had the top 2 right.

[HattonTheHammer]

Are you serious?? So Cotto beating Jennings somehow bumps him back up above Hopkins, Mosley & Izzy??

& where are Rafa & Calderon??

& I'm a big Berto fan but there's no way that right now he's even in the top 20. Guys like Dawson, Caballero, Valero, Soto have all done considerably more to deserve being in or around the top 10 than he has.

exactly thats an aweful list he only had the top 2 right.

hey

Nobodys saying its the actual confirmed p4p top 10 just my own unique take on things.

If you dont like the list youve every right to put your own on rather than just badmouth someone for trying douchebag

I ranked cotto so highly because of both saturday nights performance and in light of the whole margarito scandal. Not before that whole thing went down he was 2-3 in many peoples eyes now all of a sudden because he got beat by a guy who had an illegal advantage just like you lot did with hatton you proclaim he is washed up??

And unlike most asian/south american fans on here i dont have every half decent fighter below 126 on the list just because they throw more punches than guys who fight at 168/175(the logistics of that are pretty simple to figure out)

[JazMerkin]

Hell, I'll do a top 20 if you like.

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Juan Manuel Marquez
3. Bernard Hopkins
4. Shane Mosley
5. Israel Vasquez
6. Rafael Marquez
7. Ivan Calderon
8. Vic Darchinyan
9. Chad Dawson
10. Ricky Hatton
11. Paul Williams
12. Celestino Caballero
13. Miguel Cotto
14. Nate Campbell
15. Antonio Margarito
16. Juan Diaz
17. Juan Manuel Lopez
18. Arthur Abraham
19. Nonito Donaire
20. Kelly Pavlik

Cotto was ranked #4 I think before the Margarito fight. However, the fact is the performance against Jennings does nothing to answer my questions about him. Ignoring the handwrap controversy (which I believe may well have taken place) the fact is I still don't know how he will cope with a guy who he can't knock out & who just keeps coming. I have ranked him higher than Margarito, but has he done enough against Jennings to push him above all those other guys? & as for Berto, like I say he's probably one of my favourite active fighters right now, but there is NO way he is in the P4P top ten, when most don't even consider him in the top 3 in his division.

The fact is the guys at the lower weights have historically not got the credit they should, hence it being pound for pound. If all these fighters were at the same weight I would fancy Ivan Calderon to box rings round half these guys, if anything he's one guy who being at a lower weight lowers his status. If you haven't seen some of these guys fight below 126, you are missing out.

[robinswe01]

POUND-FOR-POUND TOP 10





1. Manny Pacquiao - Lightweight
Philippines (48-3-2, 36KOs)
Pacquiao destroyed a spent Oscar de la Hoya in Las Vegas to cement his place at the top of the P4P tree. Could now fight Ricky Hatton next summer, and what a fight that could be.

2. Juan Manuel Marquez - Lightweight
Mexico (49-4-1, 36KOs)
Marquez became the first man to stop Cuba's Joel Casamayor in his first fight at lightweight and will now chase a third bout with Manny Pacquiao.

3. Bernard Hopkins - Light-heavyweight
United States (49 wins, 5 losses, 1 draws, 32KOs)
Hopkins showed he still has plenty to offer with his schooling of the upstart Kelly Pavlik in Atlantic City. Ironically, at the age of 43, he is running out of viable opponents.

4. Israel Vazquez - Super-bantamweight
Mexico (43-4, 31KOs)
Vazquez reclaimed his WBC belt from Rafael Marquez in August and nicked the rubber match in March. A relentless fighter with a vicious left hook.

5. Shane Mosley - Welterweight
United States (46-5, 39KOs)
Mosley caused a stunning upset in outclassing Antonio Margarito at the age of 37. May want to defend his crown against Miguel Cotto, who beat him in
2007.

6. Miguel Cotto - Welterweight
Puerto Rico (32-1, 26KOs)
Cotto finally met his match against Antonio Margarito in a classic encounter, but lost little of his lustre in doing so. Beat Chorley's Michael Jennings for the WBO crown on Saturday

7. Ricky Hatton - Light-welterweight
England (45-1, 32KOs)
Hatton beat Paulie Malignaggi in Las Vegas and the Hitman may now fight Filipino superstar Manny Pacquiao, possibly in front of 60,000 fans at Wembley, next summer.

8. Paul Williams - Light-middleweight
United States (34-1, 25KOs)
Williams defeated Antonio Margarito in 2007 and claimed the interim WBO light-middleweight crown by beating Verno Phillips in November.

9. Ivan Calderon - Light-flyweight
Puerto Rico (32-0, 6KOs)
Calderon defended his WBO light-flyweight crown against Hugo Cazares in August and will likely take a unification fight at some point in 2009.

10. Rafael Marquez - Super-bantamweight
Mexico (37-5, 33KOs)
Marquez has not fought since losing a rubber match to Israel Vazquez last March, but is a tremendously powerful boxer. A fourth fight with Vazquez in the offing?

[C-Lo]

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Juan Manuel Marquez
3. Bernard Hopkins
4. Shane Mosley
5. Israel Vasquez
6. Rafael Marquez
7. Ricky Hatton
8. Miguel Cotto
9. Vic Darchiniyan
10. Chad Dawson

[Taeth]

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Juan Manuel Marquez
3. Bernard Hopkins
4. Shane Mosley
5. Israel Vasquez
6. Rafael Marquez
7. Ricky Hatton
8. Miguel Cotto
9. Vic Darchiniyan
10. Chad Dawson

How do you have Vic Darchiniyan above Dawson or Hatton above Cotto? Did Mayweather not beat Hatton worse than Margarito beat Cotto? He won almost every round.

[kingfrnk]

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Juan Manuel Marquez
3. Bernard Hopkins
4. Shane Mosley
5. Israel Vasquez
6. Rafael Marquez
7. Ricky Hatton
8. Miguel Cotto
9. Vic Darchiniyan
10. Chad Dawson

How do you have Vic Darchiniyan above Dawson or Hatton above Cotto? Did Mayweather not beat Hatton worse than Margarito beat Cotto? He won almost every round.

Vic did beat Mijares who was on the p4p lists. I would leave Hatton at 10 if that.