The lightweight Alphabet titles

[killersheep]

For me, there's no real LW champ at the moment and the winner of JuanDiaz-JMM fight this Saturday will become the recognize LW champ...

JMM is the real champ at LW.

Yes... after Campbell lost his WBA, IBF and WBO LW titles on the scale and PAC vacated his WBC LW belt... Is this the way you want your champ to get his "real champ at LW" title??
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No, JMM became the champ when he beat Casamayor, who won it by beating Corrales, etc. etc.

[XaduBoxer]

JMM is the real champ at LW.

Yes... after Campbell lost his WBA, IBF and WBO LW titles on the scale and PAC vacated his WBC LW belt... Is this the way you want your champ to get his "real champ at LW" title??
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No, JMM became the champ when he beat Casamayor, who won it by beating Corrales, etc. etc.

I know what you mean... Casamayor was the champ but other people also regarded Juan Diaz at that time as "the champ" at LW with 3 belts (WBA, IBF & WBO)... As far as I'm concerned, there's no real champ at LW until this weekend's fight...
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[Galaxy]

Yes... after Campbell lost his WBA, IBF and WBO LW titles on the scale and PAC vacated his WBC LW belt... Is this the way you want your champ to get his "real champ at LW" title??
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No, JMM became the champ when he beat Casamayor, who won it by beating Corrales, etc. etc.

I know what you mean... Casamayor was the champ but other people also regarded Juan Diaz at that time as "the champ" at LW with 3 belts (WBA, IBF & WBO)... As far as I'm concerned, there's no real champ at LW until this weekend's fight...
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2 of those belts Diaz had collected had either been stripped or given up in place of the linear title.

Julio Diaz gave up one to face Castillo who was Ring champion & Corrales brought one from his win over Freitas into the Castillo fight (who held Suliamans one).

Corrales lost the championship to Casamayor lost it to Marquez... simple!

Now its true Campbell won those belts from Juan Diaz but they were meaningless because the lineal champion had already been established!

I know that Casamayor's fight with Santa Cruz was controversial (A clear as day robbery imo) but that is the official decision & we have to stand by that... when Pacquiao defeated Marquez I thought Marquez won (I'm not comparing the decision with the Casamayor fight) but I have to accept the offical decision!

JMM deserves credit & recognition as the true lightweight champion!

[fan johnny]

No, JMM became the champ when he beat Casamayor, who won it by beating Corrales, etc. etc.

I know what you mean... Casamayor was the champ but other people also regarded Juan Diaz at that time as "the champ" at LW with 3 belts (WBA, IBF & WBO)... As far as I'm concerned, there's no real champ at LW until this weekend's fight...
.

2 of those belts Diaz had collected had either been stripped or given up in place of the linear title.

Julio Diaz gave up one to face Castillo who was Ring champion & Corrales brought one from his win over Freitas into the Castillo fight (who held Suliamans one).

Corrales lost the championship to Casamayor lost it to Marquez... simple!

Now its true Campbell won those belts from Juan Diaz but they were meaningless because the lineal champion had already been established!

I know that Casamayor's fight with Santa Cruz was controversial (A clear as day robbery imo) but that is the official decision & we have to stand by that... when Pacquiao defeated Marquez I thought Marquez won (I'm not comparing the decision with the Casamayor fight) but I have to accept the offical decision!

JMM deserves credit & recognition as the true lightweight champion!

The very essence of what makes a fighter who he is is defined on who he faces and who he defeats and who he looses to. If winning a belt or defeating another fighter is meaningless then there is no need to even fight. You are a complete moron if you stand by those words.

[Lance Uppercut]

I know what you mean... Casamayor was the champ but other people also regarded Juan Diaz at that time as "the champ" at LW with 3 belts (WBA, IBF & WBO)... As far as I'm concerned, there's no real champ at LW until this weekend's fight...
.

2 of those belts Diaz had collected had either been stripped or given up in place of the linear title.

Julio Diaz gave up one to face Castillo who was Ring champion & Corrales brought one from his win over Freitas into the Castillo fight (who held Suliamans one).

Corrales lost the championship to Casamayor lost it to Marquez... simple!

Now its true Campbell won those belts from Juan Diaz but they were meaningless because the lineal champion had already been established!

I know that Casamayor's fight with Santa Cruz was controversial (A clear as day robbery imo) but that is the official decision & we have to stand by that... when Pacquiao defeated Marquez I thought Marquez won (I'm not comparing the decision with the Casamayor fight) but I have to accept the offical decision!

JMM deserves credit & recognition as the true lightweight champion!

The very essence of what makes a fighter who he is is defined on who he faces and who he defeats and who he looses to. If winning a belt or defeating another fighter is meaningless then there is no need to even fight. You are a complete moron if you stand by those words.

Your missing the point. We are taking about who the champion is; not who is the best fighter. The champion is the man who beat the last champion, not the person who purchased titles through sanctioning fees. Campbell's belts were meaning less; but that doesn't mean his win over Diaz meant nothing. In most people's minds in elevated him to #1 contender.

[Galaxy]

I know what you mean... Casamayor was the champ but other people also regarded Juan Diaz at that time as "the champ" at LW with 3 belts (WBA, IBF & WBO)... As far as I'm concerned, there's no real champ at LW until this weekend's fight...
.

2 of those belts Diaz had collected had either been stripped or given up in place of the linear title.

Julio Diaz gave up one to face Castillo who was Ring champion & Corrales brought one from his win over Freitas into the Castillo fight (who held Suliamans one).

Corrales lost the championship to Casamayor lost it to Marquez... simple!

Now its true Campbell won those belts from Juan Diaz but they were meaningless because the lineal champion had already been established!

I know that Casamayor's fight with Santa Cruz was controversial (A clear as day robbery imo) but that is the official decision & we have to stand by that... when Pacquiao defeated Marquez I thought Marquez won (I'm not comparing the decision with the Casamayor fight) but I have to accept the offical decision!

JMM deserves credit & recognition as the true lightweight champion!

The very essence of what makes a fighter who he is is defined on who he faces and who he defeats and who he looses to. If winning a belt or defeating another fighter is meaningless then there is no need to even fight. You are a complete moron if you stand by those words.

I don't know what your problem is but nowhere did I say Campbell beating Juan Diaz was meaningless. It was a great win & as Lance has stated the win made him the #1 contender. But it didn't make him champion!

But the belts themselves were/ are meaningless & I'll stand by that statement! I'd prefer to see the best fight the best with no trinket attached than mis-matched mandatories.

You say that a fighter is defined by who he fights & I agree & the same goes for a champion. A champion wins the title in the ring by fighting & beating the champ not by collecting stripped or already discarded belts!

[fan johnny]

2 of those belts Diaz had collected had either been stripped or given up in place of the linear title.

Julio Diaz gave up one to face Castillo who was Ring champion & Corrales brought one from his win over Freitas into the Castillo fight (who held Suliamans one).

Corrales lost the championship to Casamayor lost it to Marquez... simple!

Now its true Campbell won those belts from Juan Diaz but they were meaningless because the lineal champion had already been established!

I know that Casamayor's fight with Santa Cruz was controversial (A clear as day robbery imo) but that is the official decision & we have to stand by that... when Pacquiao defeated Marquez I thought Marquez won (I'm not comparing the decision with the Casamayor fight) but I have to accept the offical decision!

JMM deserves credit & recognition as the true lightweight champion!

The very essence of what makes a fighter who he is is defined on who he faces and who he defeats and who he looses to. If winning a belt or defeating another fighter is meaningless then there is no need to even fight. You are a complete moron if you stand by those words.

I don't know what your problem is but nowhere did I say Campbell beating Juan Diaz was meaningless. It was a great win & as Lance has stated the win made him the #1 contender. But it didn't make him champion!

But the belts themselves were/ are meaningless & I'll stand by that statement! I'd prefer to see the best fight the best with no trinket attached than mis-matched mandatories.

You say that a fighter is defined by who he fights & I agree & the same goes for a champion. A champion wins the title in the ring by fighting & beating the champ not by collecting stripped or already discarded belts!

Ok, i take back the moron part, however

Here is the problem with your premise "Meaningless".

And I get the point! (A Linear Champion is the "Real Champion")

The problem is the premise "Meaningless" is servery flawed! You belittle and disregard a fighters achievements. A fighter faces every worthy contender in his weight class and wins belts abc. Those abc belts are a measurement of his achievements and carry both physical & symbolic value. Regardless of your opinion about who is the greater champion.

I'll post an analogy or example for you of the problem so it can be clearly seen.

[amat]

Taking things a little to literally Johnny. I don't think he was trying to belittle anyone, he was talking about the straps being meaningless not the win.

These posts are making my mind go numb, Pac was NEVER the champ at lightweight. Just like Floyd was never the champ at 140 even though he may have been the best fighter in the division.

Champs are champs for a reason. If you have a lineal champ and he doesn't vacate the lineal title to go to another division, then there has to remain only 1 real champ in that division no matter what.

[Galaxy]

The very essence of what makes a fighter who he is is defined on who he faces and who he defeats and who he looses to. If winning a belt or defeating another fighter is meaningless then there is no need to even fight. You are a complete moron if you stand by those words.

I don't know what your problem is but nowhere did I say Campbell beating Juan Diaz was meaningless. It was a great win & as Lance has stated the win made him the #1 contender. But it didn't make him champion!

But the belts themselves were/ are meaningless & I'll stand by that statement! I'd prefer to see the best fight the best with no trinket attached than mis-matched mandatories.

You say that a fighter is defined by who he fights & I agree & the same goes for a champion. A champion wins the title in the ring by fighting & beating the champ not by collecting stripped or already discarded belts!

Ok, i take back the moron part, however

Here is the problem with your premise "Meaningless".

And I get the point! (A Linear Champion is the "Real Champion")

The problem is the premise "Meaningless" is servery flawed! You belittle and disregard a fighters achievements. A fighter faces every worthy contender in his weight class and wins belts abc. Those abc belts are a measurement of his achievements and carry both physical & symbolic value. Regardless of your opinion about who is the greater champion.

I'll post an analogy or example for you of the problem so it can be clearly seen.

I don't belittle or disreguard a fighters achievements at all! Like in your other post where you said a fighter is defined by who he faces... I value Juan Diaz' wins over Sim, Freitas, Julio Diaz & Katsidis plus his performance with Campbell. That sort of opposition is more of a measurement of a fighters achievements!

The belts don't mean sh*t, it maybe symbolic but is it worth the sanctioning fees? When everyone knows Juan Diaz is one of the best lightweights around whether he holds an alphabet trinket or not!

I don't know about you but I'd rather rate a fighters achievements based on how he performed & against what sort of competition rather than what ABC bauble he's held!