A Lot Of Similarities In JMM And B-Hops Careers

[BoomBoom]

When you really look at and break down the records of the two fighters, there are a lot of similarities. First off, they both lost there pro debuts. Neither would lose again till they both lost their first World Title fight shot by UD. In defeat they both proved that they were still learning, but could compete at that level. Marquez would go on to have an undefeated streak of 16 fights before losing a close, controversial decision to Chris John for the title. Hopkins would go on to have a legendary undefeated streak of 26 before losing a close, controversial decision to Jermaine Taylor for the title. Both fighters are among the most skilled in the world and neither fighter has decisively lost a fight since losing their bid at their first world titles. Both went under the radar up until the later years of their career and are now current top 3 p4p fighters.

[Taeth]

This is true, however I think because JMM isn't a great defensive fighter, he won't go as long as Bernard did, but his star might burn brighter in a shorter period. He is more exciting, he is fighting the fights people want to see, and he's winning more often than not against anyone except Pacquiao which is certainly excusable.

[BoomBoom]

True, Bernard hasnt been in a lot of wars. Hes not a take one to land one type of fighter.

Cant help but think if JMM had got the decision agaist Pac, in either fight, he would be reguarded as p4p #1 undoubtedly, he should be anyways. He became the best lightweight by beating the best lightweights. I excuse him for not fighting Nate because he fought some of the same guys and was more immpressive and hes not 135 anymore anyways. Pac only fought one lightweight who was ranked lower than Diaz and Casa at the time. But on paper, the Oscar win put him at #1 in a lot of peoples minds. Also if Hop got the decision over Calzaghe he could easily be p4p #1.

This is true, however I think because JMM isn't a great defensive fighter, he won't go as long as Bernard did, but his star might burn brighter in a shorter period. He is more exciting, he is fighting the fights people want to see, and he's winning more often than not against anyone except Pacquiao which is certainly excusable.

[Master]

JMM will not last into his 40's as mentioned because of his instinct to fight. He also travelled the weights to make the fights whereas B Hop made them come to him.

[BoomBoom]

JMM will not last into his 40's as mentioned because of his instinct to fight. He also travelled the weights to make the fights whereas B Hop made them come to him.

Yeah he has had a lot of wear and tear on his body. I think going to 140 could be a mistake. If he elects to trade with some of those guys he could be in trouble. Even as great as he was the other night, if he fought that way against someone like Hatton, the result wouldnt be the same.

[Master]

Strange that JMM is as great as B Hop if not greater but will not get the credit because he has to chase the big fights which will ultimately shorten his career.

[Taeth]

The reason why I ahve Pacquiao higher, is even though they are almost even against eachother, I think Pacquiao does better against opposition. The things JMM can exploit that Manny does nobody else has been able to. I also think because Pacquiao is that much faster, and still moves so well, that he will enjoy more success moving up, and I would also have to say with that movement against orthodox fighters he is actually harder to hit than Marquez, I mean we've seen Juan Diaz, Joe Casamayor, and MAB land at will on JMM, yet MAB, ODLH, and David Diaz certainly didn't land at will on Manny, nor did Morales in their last bout, nor did Jorge Solis who is a solid figher about 5 inches taller than Manny.

That being said this isn't about Manny, I think there are a huge amount of similarities between JMM and Hopkins. Both weren't the most blessed athletically(though both are plenty fast). Both had their set backs, and didn't get credit for what they did in the prime of their career. While their styles differ drastically, they are both technique first fighters. Both have been coached unbelievably well and it shows when they are out there. More than that I think both got overshadowed by guys with athletic talent who were able to beat their opposition more impresively (RJJ and Pacman).