Even if it only till the outcome of Pac/Hatton JMM is PFP#1

[CutMeMick]

There's a case for JMM but there's also some anti-Pac backlash cause of his fans. That is totally reasonable for those that can read.

I still have Pac number 1 though, I thought he edged JMM twice and I'm not going to get into the nobility of JMM staying at 135 and doing it the right way, it helps his case but lets not completely lose it, if he could have gotten a fight with Oscar after his first fight at 135 he would have taken it instantly. Fenster.

Yes?

Anyone that thinks Pac beat Marquez should rightly rate Pac above him. Anyone that thinks Marquez beat Pac cannot possibly rate Pac above him at this current time.

I love P4P because it's so stupid.

and I love you for the same reason.

[Fenster]

There's a case for JMM but there's also some anti-Pac backlash cause of his fans. That is totally reasonable for those that can read.

I still have Pac number 1 though, I thought he edged JMM twice and I'm not going to get into the nobility of JMM staying at 135 and doing it the right way, it helps his case but lets not completely lose it, if he could have gotten a fight with Oscar after his first fight at 135 he would have taken it instantly. Fenster.

Yes?

Anyone that thinks Pac beat Marquez should rightly rate Pac above him. Anyone that thinks Marquez beat Pac cannot possibly rate Pac above him at this current time.

I love P4P because it's so stupid.

and I love you for the same reason.

Listen, Shades, I think outside the box. One day you'll realise Fenster is a genius

[Pacdbest2]

You guys are Just sucking JMM Dick too much!!! JMM's just beat a Young Fat & inexperienced Juan Diaz who was schooled already by Not so Great Campbell. It's no Bragging rights!! LOok at the majority of Predictions before the fight?? JMM was the Clear Favorite. That's how I Predicted anyway. I Picked JMM by 10 rd TKO & giving only about 3 rds Max to Diaz.

Diaz is not a Step up for JMM. I considered it a notch higher than Pac's win over the other Diaz(David). BUt Pac showed a lot more with the DLH DOMINATION! It's a step up fight for Pac the reason he's 2-1 underdog into the fight. JMM didn't Dominate the light punching Juan. You have to remember that JMM lose some rds. Compared to Pac who never lose a RD against David Diaz & DLH.

So you guys JMM Fans needs to chill out. JMM is a little bit behind on Bragging rights. Calling Floyd was the right step for JMM & I will support him for that fight. BUT I have advise for JMM, "DON'T OVER PRICE YOURSELF THIS TIME!!!".

[killersheep]

You guys are Just sucking JMM Dick too much!!! JMM's just beat a Young Fat & inexperienced Juan Diaz who was schooled already by Not so Great Campbell. It's no Bragging rights!! LOok at the majority of Predictions before the fight?? JMM was the Clear Favorite. That's how I Predicted anyway. I Picked JMM by 10 rd TKO & giving only about 3 rds Max to Diaz.

Diaz is not a Step up for JMM. I considered it a notch higher than Pac's win over the other Diaz(David). BUt Pac showed a lot more with the DLH DOMINATION! It's a step up fight for Pac the reason he's 2-1 underdog into the fight. JMM didn't Dominate the light punching Juan. You have to remember that JMM lose some rds. Compared to Pac who never lose a RD against David Diaz & DLH.

So you guys JMM Fans needs to chill out. JMM is a little bit behind on Bragging rights. Calling Floyd was the right step for JMM & I will support him for that fight. BUT I have advise for JMM, "DON'T OVER PRICE YOURSELF THIS TIME!!!".

Are you sure Eastside banned you for being right? I don't see how you can get on other people for nuthugging when you are doing it yourself. Like PAC you just fear Mighty Mike.

[JazMerkin]

You guys are Just sucking JMM Dick too much!!! JMM's just beat a Young Fat & inexperienced Juan Diaz who was schooled already by Not so Great Campbell. It's no Bragging rights!! LOok at the majority of Predictions before the fight?? JMM was the Clear Favorite. That's how I Predicted anyway. I Picked JMM by 10 rd TKO & giving only about 3 rds Max to Diaz.

Diaz is not a Step up for JMM. I considered it a notch higher than Pac's win over the other Diaz(David). BUt Pac showed a lot more with the DLH DOMINATION! It's a step up fight for Pac the reason he's 2-1 underdog into the fight. JMM didn't Dominate the light punching Juan. You have to remember that JMM lose some rds. Compared to Pac who never lose a RD against David Diaz & DLH.

So you guys JMM Fans needs to chill out. JMM is a little bit behind on Bragging rights. Calling Floyd was the right step for JMM & I will support him for that fight. BUT I have advise for JMM, "DON'T OVER PRICE YOURSELF THIS TIME!!!".

Are you sure Eastside banned you for being right? I don't see how you can get on other people for nuthugging when you are doing it yourself. Like PAC you just fear Mighty Mike.

killer, it ain't worth it, I think we've established that Pac-fans are incapable of deciphering irony. aww fuck it let's keep at it anyway.

& it is a shame you're so brutally attacking the internationally recognized reputation of pacdbest2, he's clearly an unbiased boxing fan with no affiliation to any particular fighter, a sharp almost Nostradamus like mind, and a fantastic literary expert on grammar & where to best use capital letters. shame on you killersheep, shame on you!

[Kev]

I think people are getting a little carried way here. It was a fantastic fight and Marquez did brilliantly to fight his way back into the fight and get the knockout but it doesn't jump him above the man who beat him just three fights or so ago.

Plus apart from knocking him out didn't Nate Campbell beat Juan Diaz more convincingly than Marquez?

The knockout was stunning but Marquez was getting pummeled in those early rounds whereas Nate just dominated Juan Diaz from the get go.

And Juan Diaz wasn't even in the top 10 p4p so how can Marquez become number 1 now?

Margarito's win over Cotto was bigger, as was in turn, Mosely's win over Margarito, why isn't Mosely number 1? (And no I don't think Mosely is p4p number 1 just making a point, Mosely's KO over Margarito was a far bigger shock than Marquez beating Diaz)

Marquez was I believe at least, the betting favourite over Diaz and he won in fine style after being dominated.

But he didn't look unbeatable at least not early and I don't see how that destruction was better than the slaughter Pacquaio put on Oscar.

And if you are going to try and take away Manny's credit by saying Oscar was weight drained then what about B Hop? Both his biggest wins in recent times over Pavlik and Tarver coincided with his opponents putting on career worst performances yet nobody takes his credit away.

Manny is number 1 going into his fight with Hatton.

[killersheep]

I think people are getting a little carried way here. It was a fantastic fight and Marquez did brilliantly to fight his way back into the fight and get the knockout but it doesn't jump him above the man who beat him just three fights or so ago.

Plus apart from knocking him out didn't Nate Campbell beat Juan Diaz more convincingly than Marquez?

The knockout was stunning but Marquez was getting pummeled in those early rounds whereas Nate just dominated Juan Diaz from the get go.

And Juan Diaz wasn't even in the top 10 p4p so how can Marquez become number 1 now?

Margarito's win over Cotto was bigger, as was in turn, Mosely's win over Margarito, why isn't Mosely number 1? (And no I don't think Mosely is p4p number 1 just making a point, Mosely's KO over Margarito was a far bigger shock than Marquez beating Diaz)

Marquez was I believe at least, the betting favourite over Diaz and he won in fine style after being dominated.

But he didn't look unbeatable at least not early and I don't see how that destruction was better than the slaughter Pacquaio put on Oscar.

And if you are going to try and take away Manny's credit by saying Oscar was weight drained then what about B Hop? Both his biggest wins in recent times over Pavlik and Tarver coincided with his opponents putting on career worst performances yet nobody takes his credit away.

Manny is number 1 going into his fight with Hatton.

Your mom.

[XaduBoxer]

I think people are getting a little carried way here. It was a fantastic fight and Marquez did brilliantly to fight his way back into the fight and get the knockout but it doesn't jump him above the man who beat him just three fights or so ago.

Plus apart from knocking him out didn't Nate Campbell beat Juan Diaz more convincingly than Marquez?

The knockout was stunning but Marquez was getting pummeled in those early rounds whereas Nate just dominated Juan Diaz from the get go.

And Juan Diaz wasn't even in the top 10 p4p so how can Marquez become number 1 now?

Margarito's win over Cotto was bigger, as was in turn, Mosely's win over Margarito, why isn't Mosely number 1? (And no I don't think Mosely is p4p number 1 just making a point, Mosely's KO over Margarito was a far bigger shock than Marquez beating Diaz)

Marquez was I believe at least, the betting favourite over Diaz and he won in fine style after being dominated.

But he didn't look unbeatable at least not early and I don't see how that destruction was better than the slaughter Pacquaio put on Oscar.

And if you are going to try and take away Manny's credit by saying Oscar was weight drained then what about B Hop? Both his biggest wins in recent times over Pavlik and Tarver coincided with his opponents putting on career worst performances yet nobody takes his credit away.

Manny is number 1 going into his fight with Hatton.

Thank you Master Bilbo for enlightening the hordes of delusional Mighty Mike bandwagoners... You're the real MASTER...
.

[Addicted to_boxing]

I think people are getting a little carried way here. It was a fantastic fight and Marquez did brilliantly to fight his way back into the fight and get the knockout but it doesn't jump him above the man who beat him just three fights or so ago.

Plus apart from knocking him out didn't Nate Campbell beat Juan Diaz more convincingly than Marquez?

The knockout was stunning but Marquez was getting pummeled in those early rounds whereas Nate just dominated Juan Diaz from the get go.

And Juan Diaz wasn't even in the top 10 p4p so how can Marquez become number 1 now?

Margarito's win over Cotto was bigger, as was in turn, Mosely's win over Margarito, why isn't Mosely number 1? (And no I don't think Mosely is p4p number 1 just making a point, Mosely's KO over Margarito was a far bigger shock than Marquez beating Diaz)

Marquez was I believe at least, the betting favourite over Diaz and he won in fine style after being dominated.

But he didn't look unbeatable at least not early and I don't see how that destruction was better than the slaughter Pacquaio put on Oscar.

And if you are going to try and take away Manny's credit by saying Oscar was weight drained then what about B Hop? Both his biggest wins in recent times over Pavlik and Tarver coincided with his opponents putting on career worst performances yet nobody takes his credit away.

Manny is number 1 going into his fight with Hatton.

Thank you Master Bilbo for enlightening the hordes of delusional Mighty Mike bandwagoners... You're the real MASTER...
.

Very nice how you fail to admit how shot a boxer ODLH was/is in order to solidify your Pac hugging. Bhop also benefited in similar fashion by choosing plodding stylistic fighters and fighting them after they either exited the buffet line or liposuction treatment (lol)

[XaduBoxer]

You guys are Just sucking JMM Dick too much!!! JMM's just beat a Young Fat & inexperienced Juan Diaz who was schooled already by Not so Great Campbell. It's no Bragging rights!! LOok at the majority of Predictions before the fight?? JMM was the Clear Favorite. That's how I Predicted anyway. I Picked JMM by 10 rd TKO & giving only about 3 rds Max to Diaz.

Diaz is not a Step up for JMM. I considered it a notch higher than Pac's win over the other Diaz(David). BUt Pac showed a lot more with the DLH DOMINATION! It's a step up fight for Pac the reason he's 2-1 underdog into the fight. JMM didn't Dominate the light punching Juan. You have to remember that JMM lose some rds. Compared to Pac who never lose a RD against David Diaz & DLH.

So you guys JMM Fans needs to chill out. JMM is a little bit behind on Bragging rights. Calling Floyd was the right step for JMM & I will support him for that fight. BUT I have advise for JMM, "DON'T OVER PRICE YOURSELF THIS TIME!!!".

I'm with you, I think JMM should NOT challenge PAC anymore (well he called out PBF instead of PAC, that's a good sign) for there's a greater chance that he will be KO'ed this time around specially at higher weights, like for example 140 lbs.

JMM faced life and death in his last 2 fights against Casa and Juan Diaz while PAC had an easy time slaying giants like David Diaz and Hoya... The added beatings JMM received from Casa and JuanD softened his body more and facing PAC for the 3rd time will finally make his body crumble to pieces...
.

[TitoFan]

You know, I like Pac... but some of you guys tend to get a little carried away. (See below)...

You guys are Just sucking JMM Dick too much!!! JMM's just beat a Young Fat (Well... he ain't chiseled, but I wouldn't call him "fat").& inexperienced Juan Diaz (You make him sound like a bum, when in actuality he's a top lightweight). who was schooled already by Not so Great Campbell. It's no Bragging rights!! LOok at the majority of Predictions before the fight?? JMM was the Clear Favorite. That's how I Predicted anyway. I Picked JMM by 10 rd TKO & giving only about 3 rds Max to Diaz.

Diaz is not a Step up for JMM. I considered it a notch higher than Pac's win over the other Diaz(David). BUt Pac showed a lot more with the DLH DOMINATION! (As personally sweet as this domination was for me, admit it... DLH was a shell of his former self. I would've started feeling sorry for him if I didn't dislike him so much. Oscar had NOTHING that night). It's a step up fight for Pac the reason he's 2-1 underdog into the fight. JMM didn't Dominate the light punching Juan. (You say "light punching", but fail to mention how he overwhelms with the sheer volume of punches. Surely you can give him more credit than that). You have to remember that JMM lose some rds. Compared to Pac who never lose a RD against David Diaz & DLH.

So you guys JMM Fans needs to chill out. JMM is a little bit behind on Bragging rights. Calling Floyd was the right step for JMM & I will support him for that fight. BUT I have advise for JMM, "DON'T OVER PRICE YOURSELF THIS TIME!!!".

Even after all that, I think it's a pretty close call between Pac and JMM for #1 p4p. I could see arguments either way. But to just dismiss JMM's claims is just not right.

[Pacdbest2]

You know, I like Pac... but some of you guys tend to get a little carried away. (See below)...

You guys are Just sucking JMM Dick too much!!! JMM's just beat a Young Fat (Well... he ain't chiseled, but I wouldn't call him "fat").& inexperienced Juan Diaz (You make him sound like a bum, when in actuality he's a top lightweight). who was schooled already by Not so Great Campbell. It's no Bragging rights!! LOok at the majority of Predictions before the fight?? JMM was the Clear Favorite. That's how I Predicted anyway. I Picked JMM by 10 rd TKO & giving only about 3 rds Max to Diaz.

Diaz is not a Step up for JMM. I considered it a notch higher than Pac's win over the other Diaz(David). BUt Pac showed a lot more with the DLH DOMINATION! (As personally sweet as this domination was for me, admit it... DLH was a shell of his former self. I would've started feeling sorry for him if I didn't dislike him so much. Oscar had NOTHING that night). It's a step up fight for Pac the reason he's 2-1 underdog into the fight. JMM didn't Dominate the light punching Juan. (You say "light punching", but fail to mention how he overwhelms with the sheer volume of punches. Surely you can give him more credit than that). You have to remember that JMM lose some rds. Compared to Pac who never lose a RD against David Diaz & DLH.

So you guys JMM Fans needs to chill out. JMM is a little bit behind on Bragging rights. Calling Floyd was the right step for JMM & I will support him for that fight. BUT I have advise for JMM, "DON'T OVER PRICE YOURSELF THIS TIME!!!".

Even after all that, I think it's a pretty close call between Pac and JMM for #1 p4p. I could see arguments either way. But to just dismiss JMM's claims is just not right.

I'm not dismissing JMM's Achievement. I rated him as No 2 P4P. But Those guys rating him as no 1 were all wrong! Pac has done more PERIOD!!!!

[TitoFan]

You know, I like Pac... but some of you guys tend to get a little carried away. (See below)...

You guys are Just sucking JMM Dick too much!!! JMM's just beat a Young Fat (Well... he ain't chiseled, but I wouldn't call him "fat").& inexperienced Juan Diaz (You make him sound like a bum, when in actuality he's a top lightweight). who was schooled already by Not so Great Campbell. It's no Bragging rights!! LOok at the majority of Predictions before the fight?? JMM was the Clear Favorite. That's how I Predicted anyway. I Picked JMM by 10 rd TKO & giving only about 3 rds Max to Diaz.

Diaz is not a Step up for JMM. I considered it a notch higher than Pac's win over the other Diaz(David). BUt Pac showed a lot more with the DLH DOMINATION! (As personally sweet as this domination was for me, admit it... DLH was a shell of his former self. I would've started feeling sorry for him if I didn't dislike him so much. Oscar had NOTHING that night). It's a step up fight for Pac the reason he's 2-1 underdog into the fight. JMM didn't Dominate the light punching Juan. (You say "light punching", but fail to mention how he overwhelms with the sheer volume of punches. Surely you can give him more credit than that). You have to remember that JMM lose some rds. Compared to Pac who never lose a RD against David Diaz & DLH.

So you guys JMM Fans needs to chill out. JMM is a little bit behind on Bragging rights. Calling Floyd was the right step for JMM & I will support him for that fight. BUT I have advise for JMM, "DON'T OVER PRICE YOURSELF THIS TIME!!!".

Even after all that, I think it's a pretty close call between Pac and JMM for #1 p4p. I could see arguments either way. But to just dismiss JMM's claims is just not right.

I'm not dismissing JMM's Achievement. I rated him as No 2 P4P. But Those guys rating him as no 1 were all wrong! Pac has done more PERIOD!!!!

Well, in all honesty, it's hard for me to be unbiased on this one. You see... Pac went to straight to #1 p4p in MY book when he beat the shit out of De La Hoya. But in all fairness, De La Hoya WAS a shot fighter by that time. I guess the only way to settle this argument once and for all would be to have Pac-JMM III, but hopefully at a lower weight than 140, where both are at their peak.

[Addicted to_boxing]

Pacdbest2 it takes 2 to negotiate a fight and Pac was just as responsible as JMM for the delay in the rematch. JMM was the title holder at that time so he had an excuse for wanting the larger purse. Just like Pac now holds that right based on the win in their last fight.