The Amazing Race: Pacquiao vs. JM Marquez for P4P supremacy

[JazMerkin]

Yes, JMM's win is impressive... It's slightly more impressive than PAC's win over Hoya... But if you put things together, PAC's wins over JMM, Diaz and Hoya is definitely greater than JMM's wins on JDiaz and Casa...
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JMM's fights with Pac were close and inconclusive... so scratch that one. And a shot DLH doesn't measure up to a prime Casamayor. I don't agree with you.

i supposed if pac would have fought casa and gave him a whooping like he did oscar then casa would have been called shot, washed up and old. lol

No, Casamayor had not lost 3 of his previous 6 fights in the preceding 5 years (not including the Sturm debacle which is officially a win). He'd only lost twice in 11 fights & those were against Corrales & Castillo. In contrast in that time whilst ODLH's wins were against Sturm (see above), Mayorga & Stevie Forbes. In that time Casamayor beat Nate Campbell, Corrales (twice), Daniel Seda, Santa Cruz (debatable decision) & Michael Katsidis. If Pac had fought almost any of the other belt-holders in 135 division, he would of got much more credit then he did for beating David Diaz. If he beats Hatton as I think he will then there will be no room for debate

[KKisser]

JMM's fights with Pac were close and inconclusive... so scratch that one. And a shot DLH doesn't measure up to a prime Casamayor. I don't agree with you.

i supposed if pac would have fought casa and gave him a whooping like he did oscar then casa would have been called shot, washed up and old. lol

No, Casamayor had not lost 3 of his previous 6 fights in the preceding 5 years (not including the Sturm debacle which is officially a win). He'd only lost twice in 11 fights & those were against Corrales & Castillo. In contrast in that time whilst ODLH's wins were against Sturm (see above), Mayorga & Stevie Forbes. In that time Casamayor beat Nate Campbell, Corrales (twice), Daniel Seda, Santa Cruz (debatable decision) & Michael Katsidis. If Pac had fought almost any of the other belt-holders in 135 division, he would of got much more credit then he did for beating David Diaz. If he beats Hatton as I think he will then there will be no room for debate

c'mon, fighters are always judge by their last fights. just look at casa's last 2 and IF pac gave him a total beating that's what he would have been called, shot, washed up and old.

[JazMerkin]

i supposed if pac would have fought casa and gave him a whooping like he did oscar then casa would have been called shot, washed up and old. lol

No, Casamayor had not lost 3 of his previous 6 fights in the preceding 5 years (not including the Sturm debacle which is officially a win). He'd only lost twice in 11 fights & those were against Corrales & Castillo. In contrast in that time whilst ODLH's wins were against Sturm (see above), Mayorga & Stevie Forbes. In that time Casamayor beat Nate Campbell, Corrales (twice), Daniel Seda, Santa Cruz (debatable decision) & Michael Katsidis. If Pac had fought almost any of the other belt-holders in 135 division, he would of got much more credit then he did for beating David Diaz. If he beats Hatton as I think he will then there will be no room for debate

c'mon, fighters are always judge by their last fights. just look at casa's last 2 and IF pac gave him a total beating that's what he would have been called, shot, washed up and old.

IMO better to look like that against Santa Cruz & Katsidis (who many thought could beat him prior to the fight) than against Steve Forbes, a guy who whilst being one of my favourite fighters was another blown up lightweight fighting at 154 (following on from Mayweather). Pac gets a lot of credit for what he's done before, but not his last 2 fights. If we're going off last 5 fights it's much closer with Pac just edging it, if its last 2 its Marquez.

[KKisser]

No, Casamayor had not lost 3 of his previous 6 fights in the preceding 5 years (not including the Sturm debacle which is officially a win). He'd only lost twice in 11 fights & those were against Corrales & Castillo. In contrast in that time whilst ODLH's wins were against Sturm (see above), Mayorga & Stevie Forbes. In that time Casamayor beat Nate Campbell, Corrales (twice), Daniel Seda, Santa Cruz (debatable decision) & Michael Katsidis. If Pac had fought almost any of the other belt-holders in 135 division, he would of got much more credit then he did for beating David Diaz. If he beats Hatton as I think he will then there will be no room for debate

c'mon, fighters are always judge by their last fights. just look at casa's last 2 and IF pac gave him a total beating that's what he would have been called, shot, washed up and old.

IMO better to look like that against Santa Cruz & Katsidis (who many thought could beat him prior to the fight) than against Steve Forbes, a guy who whilst being one of my favourite fighters was another blown up lightweight fighting at 154 (following on from Mayweather). Pac gets a lot of credit for what he's done before, but not his last 2 fights. If we're going off last 5 fights it's much closer with Pac just edging it, if its last 2 its Marquez.

my point was marquez gets more credit for beating casa than if pac would have faced casa and beaten him. reason was casa was competitive against marquez but say pac blows him away casa would have been called shot.

[fan johnny]

c'mon, fighters are always judge by their last fights. just look at casa's last 2 and IF pac gave him a total beating that's what he would have been called, shot, washed up and old.

IMO better to look like that against Santa Cruz & Katsidis (who many thought could beat him prior to the fight) than against Steve Forbes, a guy who whilst being one of my favourite fighters was another blown up lightweight fighting at 154 (following on from Mayweather). Pac gets a lot of credit for what he's done before, but not his last 2 fights. If we're going off last 5 fights it's much closer with Pac just edging it, if its last 2 its Marquez.

my point was marquez gets more credit for beating casa than if pac would have faced casa and beaten him. reason was casa was competitive against marquez but say pac blows him away casa would have been called shot.

Dude... get a clue! It's because Marqeuz is already an old man....

[KKisser]

IMO better to look like that against Santa Cruz & Katsidis (who many thought could beat him prior to the fight) than against Steve Forbes, a guy who whilst being one of my favourite fighters was another blown up lightweight fighting at 154 (following on from Mayweather). Pac gets a lot of credit for what he's done before, but not his last 2 fights. If we're going off last 5 fights it's much closer with Pac just edging it, if its last 2 its Marquez.

my point was marquez gets more credit for beating casa than if pac would have faced casa and beaten him. reason was casa was competitive against marquez but say pac blows him away casa would have been called shot.

Dude... get a clue! It's because Marqeuz is already an old man....

yeah, an old man beating up on an even older man casamayor lol.