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He didn't say no. He said not now. He moved up and fought Diaz which lined up his fight with ODH.

Either way, rounds or knockdowns. According to the records Pac won both. It's some people's opinions that JMM won more rounds, but not according to the judges.

I'm not a Pac groupie, I like both fighters. I find it real hard to give a decision to someone who's been kd in the fight. It's not like every other round was one sided for JMM and he got a flash kd. Both fights were very hard fought and most rounds close. JMM won some rounds decidedly, but never enough to put Pac down. Also he hurt Pac a couple of times, but still never enough to put him down.

We both know the flip side of that. Pac hurt him enough to drop him. That's what wins you close fights, cause he won more than just the 2 rounds he kd'd JMM.

Are you fukking kidding me? That's got to be one the stupidest things I ever read. Now Diaz was a set up fight for De La Hoya? Diaz was an easy mark with a title. That's why Pac fought him. So he can say he was champion in another division. At no point was Diaz ever a set up fight for De La Hoya.

Diaz was a set up fight for ODH because of the title. It boosted Pac's resume making him a multi-weight title holder.

It may be funny but that's how it worked out. Not that it's legit. That's the politics of boxing. You should know by now. You said it yourself, so Pac can be a champion in another division. It worked out to be a stepping stone to ODH. Combine the "title" with the huge fan support for that fight.

Hell, part of the argument as to why Pac could fight at 147 was that he weighed 142 on fight night against Diaz. If the Diaz fight didn't happen, Merchant wouldn't have made his comment about Pac fighting ODH and the fight wouldn't have happened. So yeah, it was the set up.

I like many true Boxing fans, I don't consider Pac a former Lightweight champion. Only Pac groupies do. Diaz was the definition of a paper champion. If your not a Pac groupie like you claim not to be than you should have no problem admitting the truth. Pac turned down 6 million for a 3rd fight with Marquez to take less money and move up and face a paper champion in David Diaz. Avoiding the real challenges in Joel Casamayor, Nate Campbell and Juan Diaz. There was no Oscar talk prior to the Diaz fight. That came afterwards.