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    Default Re: How can we get rid of John McCain

    Quote Originally Posted by SOB View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by killersheep View Post
    Here Youngblood, I'm going to go point by point, all just my opinion of course.

    Professional Boxing Amendments Act of 2009

    A bill to establish a United States Boxing Commission to administer the Act, and for other purposes.

    current 111st session of congress Other Bill Titles (3 more)Hide Other Bill Titles
    • Official: A bill to establish a United States Boxing Commission to administer the Act, and for other purposes. as introduced.
    • Short: Professional Boxing Amendments Act of 2009 as introduced.
    • Short: Professional Boxing Safety Act as introduced.
    1/6/2009--Introduced.
    Professional Boxing Amendments Act of 2009 - Amends the Professional Boxing Safety Act of 1996 to:
    (1) authorize a tribal organization to establish a boxing commission;
    Reservations are sovereign nations the US should not be able to
    assign laws on the reservations.
    (2) prohibit arranging, promoting, or fighting in a match unless the match is approved by the United States Boxing Commission (USBC) and held in a state or on tribal land that regulates matches in accordance with USBC standards;
    I need to see what the USBC standards are to make judgement
    (3) require specified pre-fight boxer physical examinations and to require the continuous presence during any match of an ambulance and emergency medical personnel;
    This I agree with
    (4) provide for boxing registration with the appropriate boxing commission of an Indian tribe;
    Again the US should have no authority on the reservations.
    (5) require a health and safety disclosure to a boxer when issuing an identification card and to establish procedures for review of a summary suspension;
    I'm not clear on what this means, I can make a few different assumptions on what it means. Does this apply only to fighters fighting in the US?
    (6) require the USBC to develop guidelines for boxing contracting requirements and for rating professional boxers;
    Another sanctioning body?
    (7) require the sanctioning organization for a match and its promoter to provide specified disclosures;
    Why does the government need to be involved with private contracts?
    (8 prohibit a promoter from arranging a championship match or a match scheduled unless all participating judges and referees are __ by the USBC;
    Missing a word here employed? authorized? contracted?
    (9) require the USBC to establish and maintain a registry of comprehensive medical records and medical denials or suspensions for every licensed boxer; and
    Again cut off, but what I read I agree with
    (10) apply conflict-of-interest provisions to USBC officers and employees. Establishes the USBC within the Department of Commerce to:
    (1) protect the health, safety, and general interests of boxers and to ensure integrity in professional boxing;
    Sounds good
    (2) establish standards for, and issue, suspend, and revoke, boxing licenses; and
    This I am not fond of the commissions already do this on the state athletic board level, no need for redundancy ("pork")
    (3) establish a national computerized registry of boxing personnel.

    Another government list.




    I like the parts that protect boxers, I don't like the government having the final say as a sanctioning body, this is particularly silly because boxing is an international sport. And living in McCain's state for so many years, I have history to go on to not trust him. I do think that some standards should be implemented requiring medical personel and pre-fight medical exams I can get behind.

    Its kind of hard to pay $2000 worth of medicals , when you are making $200 or $300 ! Pre-Physical and EMS sure the rest is BS !
    Can you break down the $2,000 worth of medicals please? I honestly don't know what is covered in that.
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    Default Re: How can we get rid of John McCain

    Killer, I didn't mean the US government per se, but be one body, hence one governing body. I can agree that I don't necessarily like the government running it and would much prefer it be given to some type of organization that can step up and create a universal set of rules to follow that might help fight the corruption and fix and watch dog the many problems it has.

    As I mentioned, it isn't in any way about politics for me, and I tend to think the government can't help itself for politicing. I do think it could easily help form a qualified governing board though if guided properly.

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    Default Re: How can we get rid of John McCain

    Undoubtedly Boxing as a whole is in dire need of reform.Seems like this bill has been in the pipeline for many years now.I dont specifically see eye to eye with McCain politically but he is a big boxing fan.I believe he had bi-partisan support and some big co sponsors for this,can not recall the Representatives.

    A unified Commission...absolutley danm straight.I am rarely if ever enthused when the Federal Government wants to insert itself and micro manage everyday Americans.The less is best I believe BUT its undeniable that this sport can not regulate and clean up its own house.The ones constantly on the short end are the fighters that risk their lives every time that bells rings.Who is it that stands for the fighter in the end??His trainer?The State Commissions ?(Haa),the promoters looking to fill seats and...well promote a show?The fans?Try as we might,we can not feed the family or insure a fair shake for them.

    I'm not clear on the details of this one,ALOT has to be hashed out and read over.I believe through much haggling and admendment...compromise...it could be a step in the right direction.With a very watchful eye mind you.In all honestly though,with the current state of affairs nationally and worldwide...Its at the very bottom on the list of priority's I believe.

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    McCain is targeting reservations because of the shady dealings going on in the casinos on those reservation lands. The Campbell/Casa fight of 2003 at Pechanga Resort & Casino is a prime example of this corruption and one that McCain got personally involved in. The whole "soveriegn nation' shit is exactly what they are hiding behind - all McCain wants is some accountability for what goes on on these reservations because the current commissions aren't doing shit or are themselves involved in these dealings. Just like they have to get a federal license to run a casino, they'll have to establish a commission and agree to abide by the law if they want hold championship boxing within those casinos. I don't see a damn thing wrong with this - this environment surrounding this sport needs some accountability, and the current sanctioning bodies have failed miserably in that sense. Hell, if it had been solely up to the current commission, Shane Mosley would have been pummeled with plaster-capped fists rather than beating down Margarito for the title a few weeks ago.

    If McCain can get rid of the dumb-ass open-scoring (I know that's not in there, but I know he doesn't like it himself so maybe he'll slip an 'earmark' in ), make professional boxing licenses bondable across all 50 states (so if you're banned in NY you can't skip over to Vegas to fight), and have a body outside the sport itself monitoring the promotors/casino owners/commissioners and the legal contracts they make with one another, how could that be bad for the sport?

    -- And he needs to add a bit in there about the qualifications of judges. Ah - and Kellerman. Damn, I think I actually have a list around here somewhere....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pravus View Post
    McCain is targeting reservations because of the shady dealings going on in the casinos on those reservation lands. The Campbell/Casa fight of 2003 at Pechanga Resort & Casino is a prime example of this corruption and one that McCain got personally involved in. The whole "soveriegn nation' shit is exactly what they are hiding behind - all McCain wants is some accountability for what goes on on these reservations because the current commissions aren't doing shit or are themselves involved in these dealings. Just like they have to get a federal license to run a casino, they'll have to establish a commission and agree to abide by the law if they want hold championship boxing within those casinos. I don't see a damn thing wrong with this - this environment surrounding this sport needs some accountability, and the current sanctioning bodies have failed miserably in that sense. Hell, if it had been solely up to the current commission, Shane Mosley would have been pummeled with plaster-capped fists rather than beating down Margarito for the title a few weeks ago.

    If McCain can get rid of the dumb-ass open-scoring (I know that's not in there, but I know he doesn't like it himself so maybe he'll slip an 'earmark' in ), make professional boxing licenses bondable across all 50 states (so if you're banned in NY you can't skip over to Vegas to fight), and have a body outside the sport itself monitoring the promotors/casino owners/commissioners and the legal contracts they make with one another, how could that be bad for the sport?

    -- And he needs to add a bit in there about the qualifications of judges. Ah - and Kellerman. Damn, I think I actually have a list around here somewhere....
    What do you mean "sovereign nation shit"? They are a sovereign nation, why does McCain have any say governing foreign nations?
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    Default Re: How can we get rid of John McCain

    Quote Originally Posted by killersheep View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Pravus View Post
    McCain is targeting reservations because of the shady dealings going on in the casinos on those reservation lands. The Campbell/Casa fight of 2003 at Pechanga Resort & Casino is a prime example of this corruption and one that McCain got personally involved in. The whole "soveriegn nation' shit is exactly what they are hiding behind - all McCain wants is some accountability for what goes on on these reservations because the current commissions aren't doing shit or are themselves involved in these dealings. Just like they have to get a federal license to run a casino, they'll have to establish a commission and agree to abide by the law if they want hold championship boxing within those casinos. I don't see a damn thing wrong with this - this environment surrounding this sport needs some accountability, and the current sanctioning bodies have failed miserably in that sense. Hell, if it had been solely up to the current commission, Shane Mosley would have been pummeled with plaster-capped fists rather than beating down Margarito for the title a few weeks ago.

    If McCain can get rid of the dumb-ass open-scoring (I know that's not in there, but I know he doesn't like it himself so maybe he'll slip an 'earmark' in ), make professional boxing licenses bondable across all 50 states (so if you're banned in NY you can't skip over to Vegas to fight), and have a body outside the sport itself monitoring the promotors/casino owners/commissioners and the legal contracts they make with one another, how could that be bad for the sport?

    -- And he needs to add a bit in there about the qualifications of judges. Ah - and Kellerman. Damn, I think I actually have a list around here somewhere....
    What do you mean "sovereign nation shit"? They are a sovereign nation, why does McCain have any say governing foreign nations?
    Indian Reservations are not sovereign nations. They were given the territory and right to govern that territory under the auspices of the US Government (their conqueror). Furthermore, McCain is only demanding that they conduct and report on their sporting activities - he isn't governing anyone. Calm down.

    Anyway, I'm not here to discuss the plight of the American Indian - my comment is addressing the Bill proposed by McCain as it applies to boxing.

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