JMM v. Mayweather Talks underway

[ElTerribleMorales]

This is just a publicity thing from GBP to put JMM in the mix. Why do you think PBF will fight JMM? What does JMM brings to the table for Floyd Jr.? The lightweight belts? Naahhh... PBF won't even fight JMM at 140... Remember PBF didn't even give that chance to Hatton... PBF fought Hatton at 147 where he has all the advantages... PBF is the man at that time so he has the final say...

GBP is just throwing a weak counter to Top Rank's planned PAC vs. Cotto fight if PAC demolish Hatton on May 2...
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umm you mean the fact that since last Saturday Pacquiao's hold at #1 p4p is much in doubt by a lot of fans and sportswriters, seeing how many consider Marquez now the #1 p4p fighter in the world, and how if he does fight Marquez and beat him, he can once again scoop up 2 HUGE PPV fights back to back being against JM Marquez and then against the winner of Pacquiao/Hatton, that enough of an explanation for you? oh wait, if i don't mention Pacquiao as the MAIN reason well it doesn't make sense to you

[XaduBoxer]

This is just a publicity thing from GBP to put JMM in the mix. Why do you think PBF will fight JMM? What does JMM brings to the table for Floyd Jr.? The lightweight belts? Naahhh... PBF won't even fight JMM at 140... Remember PBF didn't even give that chance to Hatton... PBF fought Hatton at 147 where he has all the advantages... PBF is the man at that time so he has the final say...

GBP is just throwing a weak counter to Top Rank's planned PAC vs. Cotto fight if PAC demolish Hatton on May 2...
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umm you mean the fact that since last Saturday Pacquiao's hold at #1 p4p is much in doubt by a lot of fans and sportswriters, seeing how many consider Marquez now the #1 p4p fighter in the world, and how if he does fight Marquez and beat him, he can once again scoop up 2 HUGE PPV fights back to back being against JM Marquez and then against the winner of Pacquiao/Hatton, that enough of an explanation for you? oh wait, if i don't mention Pacquiao as the MAIN reason well it doesn't make sense to you

JMM was not declared officially as the new P4P #1... Even Ring Mag still has JMM at #2 behind PAC so GBP can't use that to lure PBF... And I think a PBF-JMM fight at 147 will not make big money on PPV... JMM will be so much an underdog in that fight and fans think it's not even competitive... PBF will have all the advantages...

[BoomBoom]

I dont want to see JMM above 135 and definately not above 140. Hes at too much of a disadvantage against the top guys at 140 or 147. I think the whole Manny-Oscar thing made every fighter think that they can bounce around weight and be sucessful, but I think that fight was a rare case. If Floyd wants to fight another undersized fighter instead of fighting Shane I think hes going to get a lot of sh@t for it and hell have it coming. I Floyd-JMM was proposed a year ago before the Pac-ODLH fight people would be outraged just like they were for that fight.

[ElTerribleMorales]

This is just a publicity thing from GBP to put JMM in the mix. Why do you think PBF will fight JMM? What does JMM brings to the table for Floyd Jr.? The lightweight belts? Naahhh... PBF won't even fight JMM at 140... Remember PBF didn't even give that chance to Hatton... PBF fought Hatton at 147 where he has all the advantages... PBF is the man at that time so he has the final say...

GBP is just throwing a weak counter to Top Rank's planned PAC vs. Cotto fight if PAC demolish Hatton on May 2...
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umm you mean the fact that since last Saturday Pacquiao's hold at #1 p4p is much in doubt by a lot of fans and sportswriters, seeing how many consider Marquez now the #1 p4p fighter in the world, and how if he does fight Marquez and beat him, he can once again scoop up 2 HUGE PPV fights back to back being against JM Marquez and then against the winner of Pacquiao/Hatton, that enough of an explanation for you? oh wait, if i don't mention Pacquiao as the MAIN reason well it doesn't make sense to you

JMM was not declared officially as the new P4P #1... Even Ring Mag still has JMM at #2 behind PAC so GBP can't use that to lure PBF... And I think a PBF-JMM fight at 147 will not make big money on PPV... JMM will be so much an underdog in that fight and fans think it's not even competitive... PBF will have all the advantages...

yea that's why if it does happen it will be at 140, and hell how is Ring Mag suppossed to have Marquez at #1 yet, the fight was just last Saturday , and honestly JMM has looked a lot more impressive in his last few fights against better opposition than Pac, DLH is shot, Casamayor had just KO'd Katsidis, David Diaz should have lost his little belt to Morales and was given a gift decision, then had a draw if i remember correctly in his very next fight against garbage, Juan Diaz lost to a very game Nate Campbell,than was stopped by the "smaller" Marquez, real question is, what has Pac done since moving up to 135 to deserve being called the best fighter p4p?

[XaduBoxer]

umm you mean the fact that since last Saturday Pacquiao's hold at #1 p4p is much in doubt by a lot of fans and sportswriters, seeing how many consider Marquez now the #1 p4p fighter in the world, and how if he does fight Marquez and beat him, he can once again scoop up 2 HUGE PPV fights back to back being against JM Marquez and then against the winner of Pacquiao/Hatton, that enough of an explanation for you? oh wait, if i don't mention Pacquiao as the MAIN reason well it doesn't make sense to you

JMM was not declared officially as the new P4P #1... Even Ring Mag still has JMM at #2 behind PAC so GBP can't use that to lure PBF... And I think a PBF-JMM fight at 147 will not make big money on PPV... JMM will be so much an underdog in that fight and fans think it's not even competitive... PBF will have all the advantages...

yea that's why if it does happen it will be at 140, and hell how is Ring Mag suppossed to have Marquez at #1 yet, the fight was just last Saturday , and honestly JMM has looked a lot more impressive in his last few fights against better opposition than Pac, DLH is shot, Casamayor had just KO'd Katsidis, David Diaz should have lost his little belt to Morales and was given a gift decision, then had a draw if i remember correctly in his very next fight against garbage, Juan Diaz lost to a very game Nate Campbell,than was stopped by the "smaller" Marquez, real question is, what has Pac done since moving up to 135 to deserve being called the best fighter p4p?

PBF-JMM at 140 won't happen... As I mentioned earlier in this thread, PBF didn't even give that luxury to Hatton which has more negotiating power compared to JMM...
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[ElTerribleMorales]

JMM was not declared officially as the new P4P #1... Even Ring Mag still has JMM at #2 behind PAC so GBP can't use that to lure PBF... And I think a PBF-JMM fight at 147 will not make big money on PPV... JMM will be so much an underdog in that fight and fans think it's not even competitive... PBF will have all the advantages...

yea that's why if it does happen it will be at 140, and hell how is Ring Mag suppossed to have Marquez at #1 yet, the fight was just last Saturday , and honestly JMM has looked a lot more impressive in his last few fights against better opposition than Pac, DLH is shot, Casamayor had just KO'd Katsidis, David Diaz should have lost his little belt to Morales and was given a gift decision, then had a draw if i remember correctly in his very next fight against garbage, Juan Diaz lost to a very game Nate Campbell,than was stopped by the "smaller" Marquez, real question is, what has Pac done since moving up to 135 to deserve being called the best fighter p4p?

PBF-JMM at 140 won't happen... As I mentioned earlier in this thread, PBF didn't even give that luxury to Hatton which has more negotiating power compared to JMM...
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yea he didn't go down to 140 against Hatton cause he knew it wouldn't be benefit him, Hatton would be a lot stronger at 140 than he was at 147, Marquez on the other hand wouldn't benefit from being at 140, so just for the big $$$ on PPV i believe Floyd would take the fight

[XaduBoxer]

yea that's why if it does happen it will be at 140, and hell how is Ring Mag suppossed to have Marquez at #1 yet, the fight was just last Saturday , and honestly JMM has looked a lot more impressive in his last few fights against better opposition than Pac, DLH is shot, Casamayor had just KO'd Katsidis, David Diaz should have lost his little belt to Morales and was given a gift decision, then had a draw if i remember correctly in his very next fight against garbage, Juan Diaz lost to a very game Nate Campbell,than was stopped by the "smaller" Marquez, real question is, what has Pac done since moving up to 135 to deserve being called the best fighter p4p?

PBF-JMM at 140 won't happen... As I mentioned earlier in this thread, PBF didn't even give that luxury to Hatton which has more negotiating power compared to JMM...
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yea he didn't go down to 140 against Hatton cause he knew it wouldn't be benefit him, Hatton would be a lot stronger at 140 than he was at 147, Marquez on the other hand wouldn't benefit from being at 140, so just for the big $$$ on PPV i believe Floyd would take the fight

And why would PBF go down to 140 for JMM when PAC, Hatton, Mosley, Cotto are willing to fight him at 147 in a much bigger PPV fight??
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[eagle]

PBF-JMM at 140 won't happen... As I mentioned earlier in this thread, PBF didn't even give that luxury to Hatton which has more negotiating power compared to JMM...
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yea he didn't go down to 140 against Hatton cause he knew it wouldn't be benefit him, Hatton would be a lot stronger at 140 than he was at 147, Marquez on the other hand wouldn't benefit from being at 140, so just for the big $$$ on PPV i believe Floyd would take the fight

And why would PBF go down to 140 for JMM when PAC, Hatton, Mosley, Cotto are willing to fight him at 147 in a much bigger PPV fight??
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How would fighting Pac or Hatton be a bigger PPV event at 147 than 140 If anything it'd be a greater achievment if Floyd beat those 2 at 140!

[ElTerribleMorales]

PBF-JMM at 140 won't happen... As I mentioned earlier in this thread, PBF didn't even give that luxury to Hatton which has more negotiating power compared to JMM...
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yea he didn't go down to 140 against Hatton cause he knew it wouldn't be benefit him, Hatton would be a lot stronger at 140 than he was at 147, Marquez on the other hand wouldn't benefit from being at 140, so just for the big $$$ on PPV i believe Floyd would take the fight

And why would PBF go down to 140 for JMM when PAC, Hatton, Mosley, Cotto are willing to fight him at 147 in a much bigger PPV fight??
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easy, Pacquiao, Hatton and Marquez are less risky than Cotto Mosley, that already narrows it down to those 3, then like i already stated, Mayweather is gonna try to make the most of it financially, so let me get this right, you think a guy who changed his nickname from Pretty Boy to Money, is just gonna take one big fight against Pacquiao or Hatton, when he can just as easily fight Marquez to set it up and then fight Pacquiao or Hatton for an easy 20 Mil?

[Kirkland Laing]

Floyd wants $20 million for whoever he fights next, or as close as possible to it. JMM wants the biggest payday possible as he hasn't had a really big one and he isn't getting any younger. But he'll probably have to settle for Hatton in Manchester as Floyd will fight Manny after he beats Hatton.



Or if Hatton wins JMM gets Manny again.

[Wayne]

This is just a publicity thing from GBP to put JMM in the mix. Why do you think PBF will fight JMM? What does JMM brings to the table for Floyd Jr.? The lightweight belts? Naahhh... PBF won't even fight JMM at 140... Remember PBF didn't even give that chance to Hatton... PBF fought Hatton at 147 where he has all the advantages... PBF is the man at that time so he has the final say...

GBP is just throwing a weak counter to Top Rank's planned PAC vs. Cotto fight if PAC demolish Hatton on May 2...
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umm you mean the fact that since last Saturday Pacquiao's hold at #1 p4p is much in doubt by a lot of fans and sportswriters, seeing how many consider Marquez now the #1 p4p fighter in the world, and how if he does fight Marquez and beat him, he can once again scoop up 2 HUGE PPV fights back to back being against JM Marquez and then against the winner of Pacquiao/Hatton, that enough of an explanation for you? oh wait, if i don't mention Pacquiao as the MAIN reason well it doesn't make sense to you

Well Marquez didn't beat Pac to get to #1, Pac beat Marquez 2x, why does Pac need to beat Marquez to remain at #1? Pac beats Hatton, that's a bigger opponent than Diaz and if he fights Cotto or Mayweather next that's hardly ducking a guy he already beat and Pac makes way more money against both guys.

[ElTerribleMorales]

This is just a publicity thing from GBP to put JMM in the mix. Why do you think PBF will fight JMM? What does JMM brings to the table for Floyd Jr.? The lightweight belts? Naahhh... PBF won't even fight JMM at 140... Remember PBF didn't even give that chance to Hatton... PBF fought Hatton at 147 where he has all the advantages... PBF is the man at that time so he has the final say...

GBP is just throwing a weak counter to Top Rank's planned PAC vs. Cotto fight if PAC demolish Hatton on May 2...
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umm you mean the fact that since last Saturday Pacquiao's hold at #1 p4p is much in doubt by a lot of fans and sportswriters, seeing how many consider Marquez now the #1 p4p fighter in the world, and how if he does fight Marquez and beat him, he can once again scoop up 2 HUGE PPV fights back to back being against JM Marquez and then against the winner of Pacquiao/Hatton, that enough of an explanation for you? oh wait, if i don't mention Pacquiao as the MAIN reason well it doesn't make sense to you

Well Marquez didn't beat Pac to get to #1, Pac beat Marquez 2x, why does Pac need to beat Marquez to remain at #1? Pac beats Hatton, that's a bigger opponent than Diaz and if he fights Cotto or Mayweather next that's hardly ducking a guy he already beat and Pac makes way more money against both guys.

look at Pacs last two opponents and look at Marquez's last two opponents, i'd say that Pacs are second tier compared to JMM, i like Pacquiao but the nutthuggers are now doing to him what the PBF fan boys would do with Mayweather, anyone notice how when PBF retired and about 90% of his fan boys shut the fuck up, everyone started appreciating Mayweather a hell of a lot more, well it's happening now with Pacquiao, his fans say he's gonna win just cause he's Manny Pacquiao, cause he's the king of all the Filipinos, that's hardly a reason, hell i said it time and time again, Pacquiao will push anyone, and is a hard fight for anyone, he looked great against Oscar and Diaz, but to be honest, i think Andre Berto, who by the way i've made it clear that i don't find him to be anything special, would have beaten Oscar just as bad, i felt Marquez out boxed Pac in the rematch just as he did in the first fight, i had it 7 rnds to 5, being 114-113 for JMM (due to the kd), he would catch Pacquiao with cleaner shots more often and also countered him most the night, i don't diss Pacquiao for taking on Hatton cause it's the biggest risk he's taken since the Marquez rematch, and also he's willing to take on Hatton at 140 which is his best weight, but no one can deny the simple fact that just like the Vazquez/R.Marquez fights, JMM/Pac III should of happened right after the second fight

[Taeth]

I am tired people hating on Pacquiao because they retarded. What seven rounds did Marquez win, only a blind person would give him the 11th and the 1st round both. I am tired of this bullshit, Pacquiao is clearly better than Marquez, maybe when they fight eachother it is very competitive, but fighting similar opposition Pacquiao has consistantly done better. Marquez has the perfect style to counter act Pacman, and he still came out with a draw and a loss.

Also people are saying Oscar is old? Look at Joel Casamayor, he barely beat Katsidis who was way overrated. Joel wasn't even the best lightweight near his prime, when they were at their best both Castillo and Corrales were better than him. Marquez didn't outright dominate either of his last two fights. Sure David Diaz isn't as good as Duan or JOel, but Pacquiao annihilated him, then he went on to destroy Oscar, who is way better than Joel or Katsidis, you guys say he is old or weight drained, but he looked light on his feet, high energy against Steve Forbes just three pounds over the weight he fought Manny at, he looked good against Mayweather, even though Mayweather was better than him. The fact that Manny went up to WW beat the shit out of Oscar from pillar to post which nobody has ever done before (remember that Oscar has foughten Mosleyx2, Vargas, Quartey, Trinidad, Whitaker, JCC, Hopkins, Mayweather).

Also to MOrales why should they fight eachother three times in a row, look how intense the Ali-Frazier trilogy was, and they didn't do that. Their legacy wouldn't be half as big if they just were hell bent on fighting eachother, they would have been physically ruined much earlier in their careers. In the first fight Marquez was landing the cleaner punches, but in the second fight he wasn't except in the middle rounds and the 12th. People give Marquez the 1st and 11th round even though in those two rounds Pacquiao outlands him, and lands more clean punches. IMO Marquez-Vazquez fighting eachother 3 or 4 times in a row is BS, guys like JML deserve a crack at either of them, but they can't because both Vazquez and Marquez are only fighting eachother, it holds up the whole division.

People have bitched about Pacquiao not fighting Barrera again, then he did, then people were saying he was ducking the rematch with Marquez then he fought him (I might also add that Pacquiao was killing himself to make 130 by that point). People said lightweight was too big for him, then he destroyed David Diaz, and clearly showed that he was the best lightweight because as slow as D.Diaz is he would do alright against Casamayor or Juan Diaz, he wouldn't win, but he wouldn't be dominated. Then Pacquiao did what almost nobody thought he could do, and thats win every single round, and become the second man to stop Oscar De La Hoya despite the fact the man had already faced 6 guys who had or were carrying the p4p title coming into the fight, or got it because of their fight.

But hey you Marquez humpers must be right, if Pacquiao were to fight Mayweather or Cotto after Hatton he would absolutely be ducking Marquez, because we all know they couldn't beat Marquez... give me a fucking break. If Marquez went up to WW even to face the Oscar that Pacquiao fought he would be stopped. Pacquiao still has great movement he is elusive when he wants to be and his southpaw, Oscar would have that jab lined up against Marquez he could employ the same strategy he did against Mayweather, and Marquez would be there to be hit.

[OumaFan]

The Pacquaio hate is crazy. Enjoy him while he's here, an exciting fighter who fights anybody.

Please don't complement me again Saddoboxer.

[ElTerribleMorales]

The Pacquaio hate is crazy. Enjoy him while he's here, an exciting fighter who fights anybody.

Please don't complement me again Saddoboxer.

i'm not hating on Pacquiao, hell i said it VERY clearly that i'm tired of his fan boys, saying that he's gonna win cause he's Pacquiao lol like if that's a fucking reason, and Taeth please don't act so ignorant by trying to compare the DLH that fought Pacquiao with the DLH that fought Trinidad, Vargas, Mosley X2, etc., he weighed in for Forbes at 150, he wasn't 150 come fight time, and he didn't look good against Forbes, hell many people on here said that he got hit way too much and too cleanly against Forbes, so it is valid to say he lost due to the weight and due to his age, wanna try and downplay Marquez and you're only downplaying Pacquiao, seeing how Manny dropped him 3 times in one round and then only managed to get away with a draw, a draw many thought he didn't even deserve, 7 rounds to 5 is how i had it scored like i said making it 114-113 for Marquez due to the KD, if there would have been no knockdown than it would have been 115-113 meaning one round away from a draw, not completely ludicrous scoring, D. Diaz is a joke and hell if Pacquiao wouldn't of dominated him something would have been very wrong, a shot Morales beat Diaz, was robbed, but beat him none the less, Pacquiao/Marquez III should of happened right after Pacquiao/Marquez II, no one can deny they're the top 2 p4p fighters today, so why the hell not just play the 3rd fight already?