JMM v. Mayweather Talks underway

[OumaFan]

The Pacquaio hate is crazy. Enjoy him while he's here, an exciting fighter who fights anybody.

Please don't complement me again Saddoboxer.

[ElTerribleMorales]

The Pacquaio hate is crazy. Enjoy him while he's here, an exciting fighter who fights anybody.

Please don't complement me again Saddoboxer.

i'm not hating on Pacquiao, hell i said it VERY clearly that i'm tired of his fan boys, saying that he's gonna win cause he's Pacquiao lol like if that's a fucking reason, and Taeth please don't act so ignorant by trying to compare the DLH that fought Pacquiao with the DLH that fought Trinidad, Vargas, Mosley X2, etc., he weighed in for Forbes at 150, he wasn't 150 come fight time, and he didn't look good against Forbes, hell many people on here said that he got hit way too much and too cleanly against Forbes, so it is valid to say he lost due to the weight and due to his age, wanna try and downplay Marquez and you're only downplaying Pacquiao, seeing how Manny dropped him 3 times in one round and then only managed to get away with a draw, a draw many thought he didn't even deserve, 7 rounds to 5 is how i had it scored like i said making it 114-113 for Marquez due to the KD, if there would have been no knockdown than it would have been 115-113 meaning one round away from a draw, not completely ludicrous scoring, D. Diaz is a joke and hell if Pacquiao wouldn't of dominated him something would have been very wrong, a shot Morales beat Diaz, was robbed, but beat him none the less, Pacquiao/Marquez III should of happened right after Pacquiao/Marquez II, no one can deny they're the top 2 p4p fighters today, so why the hell not just play the 3rd fight already?

[Taeth]

The Pacquaio hate is crazy. Enjoy him while he's here, an exciting fighter who fights anybody.

Please don't complement me again Saddoboxer.

i'm not hating on Pacquiao, hell i said it VERY clearly that i'm tired of his fan boys, saying that he's gonna win cause he's Pacquiao lol like if that's a fucking reason, and Taeth please don't act so ignorant by trying to compare the DLH that fought Pacquiao with the DLH that fought Trinidad, Vargas, Mosley X2, etc., he weighed in for Forbes at 150, he wasn't 150 come fight time, and he didn't look good against Forbes, hell many people on here said that he got hit way too much and too cleanly against Forbes, so it is valid to say he lost due to the weight and due to his age, wanna try and downplay Marquez and you're only downplaying Pacquiao, seeing how Manny dropped him 3 times in one round and then only managed to get away with a draw, a draw many thought he didn't even deserve, 7 rounds to 5 is how i had it scored like i said making it 114-113 for Marquez due to the KD, if there would have been no knockdown than it would have been 115-113 meaning one round away from a draw, not completely ludicrous scoring, D. Diaz is a joke and hell if Pacquiao wouldn't of dominated him something would have been very wrong, a shot Morales beat Diaz, was robbed, but beat him none the less, Pacquiao/Marquez III should of happened right after Pacquiao/Marquez II, no one can deny they're the top 2 p4p fighters today, so why the hell not just play the 3rd fight already?

What did Oscar weigh in at against Forbes then? There was nothing to show his weight on fightnight. Also how is David Diaz a joke? He beat Zab Judah to make the olympic team, he stopped Jose Santa Cruz, who lost a split decision to Joel Casamayor. I am not saying he is a great fighter, but the JOel Casamayor isn't a great fighter anymore, he once was a really good one, but not when he fought JMM, and that fight was pretty back and forth. Juan Diaz rocked JMM, and that was another close fight. Unlike JMM Pacquiao was number #2 when guys like Wright and Calzaghe and Hopkins were still active. JMM was behind all of them, and IMO Bernard should still be ahead of him. I am not downplaying JMM by saying Pacquiao is better than himl, JMM is a great fighter, its just you have to admit that he isn't as good as Pacquiao, his record isn't as impressive, his level opposition isn't either. Pacquiao is only getting better, while JMM's skills are fading. The fact is that Pacquiao beat him fair and square in the second fight. Manny isn't fighting bums, he is fighting guys like Oscar De La Hoya, David Diaz, Marquez, Marco Antonio Barrera, Jorge Solis, Morales. And who is he fighting Hatton? the 140 pound king, then going on to Cotto or Mayweather... yeah he is really taking the easy route. About scoring the Pacquiao fight, you clearly must have given two rounds (1 and 11) that should have gone to Pacquiao, at least one of them to Marquez, which means that Marquez shouldn't have won, especially not with the knockdown. I am not saying it was a close fight, but did Mayweather not have difficulties with JLC? Even their second fight was one of his most competitive fights, and still Mayweather is a way better fighter than JLC. Did Roy Jones Jr not have difficulties with Montell Griffin? Willie Pep with Saddler? I am saying that styles make fights, and JMM has the right style to fight Pacquiao, but Pacquiao still finds a way to win. Honestly Mayweather is better than Marquez, he's closer to his prime, he's bigger, he's faster, he's just as technically sound, he's harder to hit. He is a bigger, and new challenge for Pacquiao. Not only that but its a better fight for boxing, it will bring the sport way more media attention. I am not saying Pacquiao and Marquez should never fight again, but right now Pacquiao as p4p king needs to bring the sport into the spotlight, thats what the p4p king does, and fighting Marquez at least right now won't do that. Honestly I am not trying to hump Pacquiao's leg, but he is having the type of career that emulates the guys who are in the top 10 p4p ever.

PS. a "shot" Barrera gave Marquez one hell of a fight, and knocked him down. Don't disrespect Barrera or Morales. I reckon stylewise if Morales fought Marquez anywhere near where he was in his first and second fight against Pacquiao he would given JMM all he could handle. Part of Morales' reason for being shot just like Pacquiao at 130, is that he was killing himself to make 130 by the end, he looked more lively against David Diaz, and it was a really good fight.

[ElTerribleMorales]

The Pacquaio hate is crazy. Enjoy him while he's here, an exciting fighter who fights anybody.

Please don't complement me again Saddoboxer.

i'm not hating on Pacquiao, hell i said it VERY clearly that i'm tired of his fan boys, saying that he's gonna win cause he's Pacquiao lol like if that's a fucking reason, and Taeth please don't act so ignorant by trying to compare the DLH that fought Pacquiao with the DLH that fought Trinidad, Vargas, Mosley X2, etc., he weighed in for Forbes at 150, he wasn't 150 come fight time, and he didn't look good against Forbes, hell many people on here said that he got hit way too much and too cleanly against Forbes, so it is valid to say he lost due to the weight and due to his age, wanna try and downplay Marquez and you're only downplaying Pacquiao, seeing how Manny dropped him 3 times in one round and then only managed to get away with a draw, a draw many thought he didn't even deserve, 7 rounds to 5 is how i had it scored like i said making it 114-113 for Marquez due to the KD, if there would have been no knockdown than it would have been 115-113 meaning one round away from a draw, not completely ludicrous scoring, D. Diaz is a joke and hell if Pacquiao wouldn't of dominated him something would have been very wrong, a shot Morales beat Diaz, was robbed, but beat him none the less, Pacquiao/Marquez III should of happened right after Pacquiao/Marquez II, no one can deny they're the top 2 p4p fighters today, so why the hell not just play the 3rd fight already?

What did Oscar weigh in at against Forbes then? There was nothing to show his weight on fightnight. Also how is David Diaz a joke? He beat Zab Judah to make the olympic team, he stopped Jose Santa Cruz, who lost a split decision to Joel Casamayor. I am not saying he is a great fighter, but the JOel Casamayor isn't a great fighter anymore, he once was a really good one, but not when he fought JMM, and that fight was pretty back and forth. Juan Diaz rocked JMM, and that was another close fight. Unlike JMM Pacquiao was number #2 when guys like Wright and Calzaghe and Hopkins were still active. JMM was behind all of them, and IMO Bernard should still be ahead of him. I am not downplaying JMM by saying Pacquiao is better than himl, JMM is a great fighter, its just you have to admit that he isn't as good as Pacquiao, his record isn't as impressive, his level opposition isn't either. Pacquiao is only getting better, while JMM's skills are fading. The fact is that Pacquiao beat him fair and square in the second fight. Manny isn't fighting bums, he is fighting guys like Oscar De La Hoya, David Diaz, Marquez, Marco Antonio Barrera, Jorge Solis, Morales. And who is he fighting Hatton? the 140 pound king, then going on to Cotto or Mayweather... yeah he is really taking the easy route. About scoring the Pacquiao fight, you clearly must have given two rounds (1 and 11) that should have gone to Pacquiao, at least one of them to Marquez, which means that Marquez shouldn't have won, especially not with the knockdown. I am not saying it was a close fight, but did Mayweather not have difficulties with JLC? Even their second fight was one of his most competitive fights, and still Mayweather is a way better fighter than JLC. Did Roy Jones Jr not have difficulties with Montell Griffin? Willie Pep with Saddler? I am saying that styles make fights, and JMM has the right style to fight Pacquiao, but Pacquiao still finds a way to win. Honestly Mayweather is better than Marquez, he's closer to his prime, he's bigger, he's faster, he's just as technically sound, he's harder to hit. He is a bigger, and new challenge for Pacquiao. Not only that but its a better fight for boxing, it will bring the sport way more media attention. I am not saying Pacquiao and Marquez should never fight again, but right now Pacquiao as p4p king needs to bring the sport into the spotlight, thats what the p4p king does, and fighting Marquez at least right now won't do that. Honestly I am not trying to hump Pacquiao's leg, but he is having the type of career that emulates the guys who are in the top 10 p4p ever.

PS. a "shot" Barrera gave Marquez one hell of a fight, and knocked him down. Don't disrespect Barrera or Morales. I reckon stylewise if Morales fought Marquez anywhere near where he was in his first and second fight against Pacquiao he would given JMM all he could handle. Part of Morales' reason for being shot just like Pacquiao at 130, is that he was killing himself to make 130 by the end, he looked more lively against David Diaz, and it was a really good fight.

i'm probably the biggest Morales fan on here and i still say Morales was shot against Diaz, i don't necessarily remember what exact rounds i gave Marquez, but how the hell do you know if i gave Marquez the 1 or 11th? are you psychic now? and Montell Griffin and Roy Jones? the first fight was competitive, Roy got serious in the rematch and nearly put Griffin in a coma in the first round, Mayweather lost the first Castillo fight, then fought completely different in the rematch, not willing to engage with him, and boxing from a distance, hit and run, avoiding Castillos body shots, i didn't say Barrera was "shot" when he took on Pacquiao, those are two clear wins for Manny, and no doubt that Barrera was more willing to just last the distance than actually win the rematch