Is Juan Manuel Marquez Over Rated?

[Pravus]

Why is it you Pacquiao fans are so damn intimidated with Marquez being ranked right up there with your man? Is the controversy surrounding their two fights that heavy on your mind? I suppose they should be, because in many people's eyes Marquez won those fights. The fact remains: JMM is one man Pacman couldn't 'destroy' no matter how hard he tried. It is also amusing as hell how you tone down Marquez vs Barerra and Marquez vs Casa by adding 'old' to their names while trying to push Pacman's win over DLH as if DLH walked into the ring in his prime. Gimme a break. Makes me doubt if you saw any of those fights. No man who ever stepped into the ring with MAB walked away thinking he fought an old man.

Personally, I love watching Pacquiao fight and think he's the shit. I also have been watching JMM fight for a decade now and have seen him prove time and time again why he's so highly ranked and consistently so. Both men are top pound for pound fighters and a fight between the two could easily go either way. Pacman tends to dominate the early rounds while Marquez dominates the mid-later rounds - a fight fan couldn't ask for a more exciting matchup. I'm just waiting on the rubbermatch....

Keep in mind: By trying to debunk Pacquiao's peers soley to put your man on a pedestal, you put your knowledge of the sport into question.

[CutMeMick]

For the record I respect Pac @ P4P#1.
However I don't respect commets like JMM is over rated.

[JT Rock]

I could have sworn I heard Buffer call JMM a future hall of famer while announcing his name before the Diaz fight.. I doubt he would make such a bold statement unless the majority of writers and associations didnt think he was.. So I wouldnt call that overrating

[Mar]

Is the guy who by most accounts now possibly is right up threre for pfp in the whole sport, and took pac the man who is pfp best in the sport to as close to a loss as you possibly can over rated ??!!! Wow i guess you have to beat guys mortal combat style these days to get respect.

[MIKAY]

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[killersheep]

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[Scott22]

i personally consider marquez an ATG

[Majesty]

Its hard for me to think of anyone at 135 currently that can beat him honestly.

What other Lightweights were there worth talking about besides Diaz?

The only guy he hasnt beaten is Katsidis but he doesnt have to as he beat the two people who beat him.

Well there are a few people left for him to face at 135.

There's Joan Guzman and Edwin Valero who has just moved up to 135 and is fighting for the vacant title that Nate Campbell had to vacate I saw on Boxrec.

And as prospects there's Anthony Peterson but he isnt ready yet. Maybe in a year or two.

So if Edwin Valero wins the title then him. And Joan Guzman is left for JMM.


If he beats them both no one will ever say he is overrated. They shouldnt be saying that anyway though

[brucelee]

Now, that gives me an idea. If Joan fights Marquez, who would have won?

[CFH]

It just seems everybody is raving on about this guy like hes the next best thing since sliced bread. Dont get me wrong hes a good fighter but no way hes an ATG, every time hes stepped up hes lost and to be honest hasnt beat a top 10 p4p at his peak ever. It seems like the fans/mexican fans are clinging on to that last hope, after most of the mexican greats have retired or fallen. I dont know if its just me but his record isnt all that either:

Lost to F Norwood
Drew with Pac (should have lost)
Lost to C John
Beat an old Barrera
Lost to Pac
Beat an old Casamayor
Beat Diaz (not a top p4pder either)

People that have him at current p4p no1 must be crazy. Should be Pac 1, then hopkins 2 (arguble personel choice). Dam hokins at 44yrs old beat the living hell out of Pavlic which should be held in higher regard to Marques's win over Diaz. Even pacs record demolishes marques's

Destroyed Barrera (prime)
Lost UD Morales
Destroyed Morales (Prime)
Destroyed Morales
Beat Barrera
Beat Marquez 2wice
Beat Diaz (not all that)
Destroyed dela Hoya ( Massive underdog, tiny compared to Hoya)
Next Hatton (Again 6 months ago people were saying no chance)

If Pacquiao didn't exist, Marquez would be another boxer that got ignored. He is visible when he's in the ring against a brawler. This is when his fights are exciting. He is only overrated by his groupies, and commentators that don't like Pacquiao because they think he is overrated otherwise Marquez gets his just due.

completely redundant

That typifies this entire thread. Hell, it typifies 90% of the posts here for the last month.

[Addicted to_boxing]

If Pacquiao didn't exist, Marquez would be another boxer that got ignored. He is visible when he's in the ring against a brawler. This is when his fights are exciting. He is only overrated by his groupies, and commentators that don't like Pacquiao because they think he is overrated otherwise Marquez gets his just due.

completely redundant

That typifies this entire thread. Hell, it typifies 90% of the posts here for the last month.

* Destroyed Barrera (prime) a fighter whose camp was interrupted several times due to dangerous brush fires. Whose former promoter tried to sabbotage by leaking to the press that MAB had a surgery to his brain and a plate inserted. Combined the inability to train 100 due to air quality alerts and a media frenzy and underestimated by MAB
* Lost UD Morales - extremely competitive fight. EM had already been in many ring wars
* Destroyed Morales (Prime) see above. Morales entered fight coming off loss to MAB
* Destroyed Morales -- Had no business even being in the ring after entering the bout having his @ss served in an extremely lopsided loss to Zahir Raheem in his prior fight.
* Beat Barrera - already a spent boxer entered the fight coming off a loss to JMM.
* Beat Marquez? 1st fight - Unable to close the show after a tremendous 1st round. 3 knock downs winds up with a draw not a win as you have posted. Was thoroughly schooled but still should have won the decision
* Beat Marquez? 2nd fight. Once again is schooled by JMM manages only one KD yet wins a decision most professional analyst say he lost. If they fight a 3rd and it finishes in similar fashion expect the judges to give JMM the decision as restitution.
* Beat Diaz (not all that) try nothing
Destroyed de la Hoya, a washed up slow and plodding boxer that even Roach had said prior to their fight that he could no longer pull the trigger. Which is like try to claim kudos for bagging Tyra Banks after menopause based on what she accomplished before. Anyone knows a fighter making those kind of weight changes that late in their career and that only fights one a year is bound to lose. To add to matters ODLH has a hand in the PAC vs Hatton fight. Ringling Bros . in da HOUSE !!*
* Next Hatton - Hmmm, one big win over Kostya, an a "W" against a not interested in boxing or making weight JLC and a light hitting PM ...... The Kostya win is lost in peoples minds by a PBF KO Blooper highlight for the ages !!! (simply put OVER RATED !!!!) Mental state is still questionable fighting 2 light hitting low risk opponents in Juan Lazcano and Paul Malignaggi. Yet we are supposed to raise the Pac legend more based on this fights outcome ? Mayweather already took Hattons virginity. Cotto also has not proven he is mentally stable having KO'd a the light hitting Jennings (another in a long line of UK fighters to lay an egg on the big is stage. Mosley may not be able to put back to back masterpieces at his age So only 3 fights for Pac are legit.
PBF - After a PBF tune up fight to clear ring rust
JMM at 135 - 2 fights ever so close for comfort
Ortiz - Put to rest the image of not fighting a young, powerful and dangerous opponent on his resume (after Ortiz beats a a top 3 contender)

See a pattern? Precision match making: Foe must be battle worn, over 30, coming off a loss, or mentally unstable ...... ARUM #1 P4P match scheduling for PAC

[The Fightfan]

Nope

[OumaFan]

completely redundant

That typifies this entire thread. Hell, it typifies 90% of the posts here for the last month.

* Destroyed Barrera (prime) a fighter whose camp was interrupted several times due to dangerous brush fires. Whose former promoter tried to sabbotage by leaking to the press that MAB had a surgery to his brain and a plate inserted. Combined the inability to train 100 due to air quality alerts and a media frenzy and underestimated by MAB
* Lost UD Morales - extremely competitive fight. EM had already been in many ring wars
* Destroyed Morales (Prime) see above. Morales entered fight coming off loss to MAB
* Destroyed Morales -- Had no business even being in the ring after entering the bout having his @ss served in an extremely lopsided loss to Zahir Raheem in his prior fight.
* Beat Barrera - already a spent boxer entered the fight coming off a loss to JMM.
* Beat Marquez? 1st fight - Unable to close the show after a tremendous 1st round. 3 knock downs winds up with a draw not a win as you have posted. Was thoroughly schooled but still should have won the decision
* Beat Marquez? 2nd fight. Once again is schooled by JMM manages only one KD yet wins a decision most professional analyst say he lost. If they fight a 3rd and it finishes in similar fashion expect the judges to give JMM the decision as restitution.
* Beat Diaz (not all that) try nothing
Destroyed de la Hoya, a washed up slow and plodding boxer that even Roach had said prior to their fight that he could no longer pull the trigger. Which is like try to claim kudos for bagging Tyra Banks after menopause based on what she accomplished before. Anyone knows a fighter making those kind of weight changes that late in their career and that only fights one a year is bound to lose. To add to matters ODLH has a hand in the PAC vs Hatton fight. Ringling Bros . in da HOUSE !!*
* Next Hatton - Hmmm, one big win over Kostya, an a "W" against a not interested in boxing or making weight JLC and a light hitting PM ...... The Kostya win is lost in peoples minds by a PBF KO Blooper highlight for the ages !!! (simply put OVER RATED !!!!) Mental state is still questionable fighting 2 light hitting low risk opponents in Juan Lazcano and Paul Malignaggi. Yet we are supposed to raise the Pac legend more based on this fights outcome ? Mayweather already took Hattons virginity. Cotto also has not proven he is mentally stable having KO'd a the light hitting Jennings (another in a long line of UK fighters to lay an egg on the big is stage. Mosley may not be able to put back to back masterpieces at his age So only 3 fights for Pac are legit.
PBF - After a PBF tune up fight to clear ring rust
JMM at 135 - 2 fights ever so close for comfort
Ortiz - Put to rest the image of not fighting a young, powerful and dangerous opponent on his resume (after Ortiz beats a a top 3 contender)

See a pattern? Precision match making: Foe must be battle worn, over 30, coming off a loss, or mentally unstable ...... ARUM #1 P4P match scheduling for PAC

Silliness. Precision match making isn't taking on a legend in his prime as your first fight at 126. Then right after that giving a guy like JMM a chance when he absolutely did not have to, saying who gives a shit about risk/reward, and then after that wanting an immediate rematch. Oh well that fight couldn't be made, lets fight Erik Morales then. Yeah what a chicken shit, what a cherry picker. This has gotten absurd.

For all of the talk about ODLH, the majority thought Pac was going to be slaughtered and that's really besides the point, any fighter would have taken that opportunity, JMM included so the criticism of it is ridiculous.

And now he's fighting Hatton, the man at 140. Cherry picking at its finest. Fucking hell, what a disgrace to the sport Manny is.

[OumaFan]

The lunacy has driven me to become a Manny hugger My avatar is becoming less of a joke every day.

Granted, there's probably more lunacy on my side And although I don't think the original question really had to be answered, no he's not overrated. You can make a case he's PFP #1. I just think the better argument is for Pac if you take into consideration the whole body of work.

[JT Rock]

The lunacy has driven me to become a Manny hugger My avatar is becoming less of a joke every day.

Granted, there's probably more lunacy on my side And although I don't think the original question really had to be answered, no he's not overrated. You can make a case he's PFP #1. I just think the better argument is for Pac if you take into consideration the whole body of work.

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