Is Juan Manuel Marquez Over Rated?

[Andre]

Barrera wasnt prime Mikay he had had more wars than Manny at that point in time than Manny will ever be on the end of.

Manny will survive better than any of these Mexicans; he is the one punishing them.

Thats their Mexican style of fighting they dont move much on their toes they just want to bang it out.

Manny would move and catch them on the turn. Fantastic.

Juan is different for a Mexican he has other skills thats why he came closer to the Great Manny.

Thats why his skills are not over rated.

Now get over it or you will be hearing some music.

[Andre]

This thread is tasteless, repulsive, and disgusting. Sometimes pacfans should know that everytime they discredit JMM, they also taking away a big part of Pac's accomplishment.

Where the hell has Pac fan gone, Pac straight left? we loved having him around too.

He's busy fishin' in Japan.

Better not be whales or dolphins!

[MIKAY]

Lol thats cool. Well siad and put

[Spicoli]

If Pacquiao didn't exist, Marquez would be another boxer that got ignored. He is visible when he's in the ring against a brawler. This is when his fights are exciting. He is only overrated by his groupies, and commentators that don't like Pacquiao because they think he is overrated otherwise Marquez gets his just due.

And exactly what would constitute being ignored ??You mean being ranked within the top 6 by The Ring by his 17th professional fight.....and within the top ten consistently for the last 13 + years......Or possibly that both made they're respected HBO debuts within months of one another.....Albeit Pac as a 2 week last minute substitute and fill in for...cough...Enrique Sanchez?

You guys really need to let go of it...Marquez is an equal to Pacquiao,both are supreme fighters with different respected styles and skillsets........and last I checked Manny is set to fight Ricky Hatton,Good luck with that!

You are misconstruing my statements about Marquez's popularity to a that of his ability.

Do a little goggle search and look at the career of Marquez. It tanked, twice. By himself he doesn't have the appeal. Marquez is a great fighter and I'm one of the first to say he proved that when he beat Diaz.

I'LL BE LOUD AND CLEAR. MARQUEZ IS NOT OVERRATED BY THE BOXING COMMUNITY, HE DESERVES HIS P4P #2 RATING.

Aware that all this does is bump the thread but I'm really not misconstruing 'If Pacquiao did not exist,Marquez would be another boxer that got ignored' at all.I just disagree with the inference that Pacquiao is soley responsible for Marquez being known and greatly acknowledged in the boxing world as a major player.He needs no coat tails to cling too.Both Marquez and Pacquiao are very worthy Champions.That we can agree on.

Goggle away friend.It may tell you the numbers and statistics but I'll stick to goggling the tapes and messy notebooks on the shelves in my den .Anyone believing that the "L"s next to the Norwood and John fights are clear definative cases of "tanking" in a career is off the mark.

[tokwatbaboy]

Its hard for me to think of anyone at 135 currently that can beat him honestly.

What other Lightweights were there worth talking about besides Diaz?

The only guy he hasnt beaten is Katsidis but he doesnt have to as he beat the two people who beat him.

Well there are a few people left for him to face at 135.

There's Joan Guzman and Edwin Valero who has just moved up to 135 and is fighting for the vacant title that Nate Campbell had to vacate I saw on Boxrec.

And as prospects there's Anthony Peterson but he isnt ready yet. Maybe in a year or two.

So if Edwin Valero wins the title then him. And Joan Guzman is left for JMM.


If he beats them both no one will ever say he is overrated. They shouldnt be saying that anyway though

if....he beats those two...thats ifffff...people are saying valero fought BUM fighters but can you name a great fighter that knocked his opponent in the first round in his first 17 fights??boxers start their career fighting BUM fighters...even pacquiao...marquez etc.....valero gets hit by his opponent because valero knows he can absorb their punches thas why he goes for the kill...but once he knows the caliber of his opponent he may be as cautious as he can and wait to land his power shots...thats the duty of their respective trainers...a boxer can be great if he can do what he trained for in the actual fight...in boxing, if you can do what you are saying before the fight then surely you are the winner..in short any boer who can initiate their gameplan perfectly then you win.....i can say valero is a very dangerous fighter and i dont think marquez can get up the canvass if valero lands a good one on the chin....

[Addicted to_boxing]

First of all I am stating facts not here say. I am also not a JMM worshipper. And all Pac fans that bash JMM are validating my statements and doing injustice to their own God !!

HBO anylists ( you are kidding , right?) They are the most biased out there and LOVE Pac. Except one certain new / young analyst. And You fail to address that Pac's opponents have been has-beens and coming off losses look at the bios / facts. What ever happened to earning a title shots rather that obtaining fights based on feathers on their hats. When you pick fights vs fighters coming off losses it comes with the territory. Even Pac's countryman fellow boxer Nonito said JMM won on a post fight interview. (2nd fight)

You must not have seen how futile ODLH looked vs Forbes so stop with the Pac-ass kisssing.

[Addicted to_boxing]

Think about it,the fact that we are asking this question at this point in Marquezs career and age speaks to his talent and skills.Honestly asking,how many Marquez fights have you viewed throughout his career??

Make no mistake,Marquez has earned respect......as has Pacquiao !

I watched many of marquez's fights and like i said earlier he is a great fighter and hes got some of that animal instinct that barrera or morales had aka when they get hurt they go ballistic. I even a few nights ago i got stuck into some youtube, strictly watching marquez.

I just think he hasn't got that defining fight under his belt yet and at 35 my be to late.

Like Pacs got Barrera or even Hoya or even Marquez under his belt
Barrera's got Hamed etc
This list goes on when your talking about p4pders.

The move up to 135 and KO is is just as good if not more impressive than an old ODLH that has already accepted losing in favor of generating paydays. Getting up from 3 KD's vs Pac is not impressive to you? Manny has one moment and that was vs MAB and that is it. And last of all JMM is tied to the hip with Pac ..... Pac has strength that is the only thing that has kept him from losing to JMM twice. 4 punches that have released a flood gate of Nuthuggers. Take those 4 punches away and JMM has completely schooled him. A 3rd fight is warranted to silence both parties....

[the_PRODIGY]

Marquez to me deserves everything he has achieved at this point of his career. I think he has tremendous skills and a huge heart. He has beaten good fighters throughout his career. The only part that I think he's being overrated is when everyone says he has Pacquiao's number. Come to think of it guys. They've fought for 24 rounds. I think 80% of those rounds has been fought in favor of Marquez's pace. Yet Marquez hasn't been able to dominate Pacquiao and win convingly despite this. It was both close. and sure the KD's helped Pac. But when you look at it in another perspective.. why were those fights that close despite the fact that it was JMM's pace? I mean he fought Pac better than Diaz and Casamayor. He was a ten more times better defensively. With that..questions should be raised why didn't he dominate Pacquiao. Why? Because of Pac's power,sturdy chin, improve boxing as he showed in the later rounds of the 2nd fight, and ability to adapt. We give Marquez the props for fighting back after Pac's shining moments. but those are actually few moments that he was facing adversity. While Pacquiao on the other hand, has faced more adversities and has yet to hit the canvass. and we seldom hear fans appreciating his heart on his fights with JMM. That I think is very much overlooked.

I've seen Pacquiao improve leaps and bounds. While I feel Marquez is on the decline. And when I rewatch the tapes of their battles, I think Pacquiao has learn more and has thrive more than Marquez. The credits I think almost went all to Marquez because he was the underdog and everyone expected Pac to finish him especially after the KD's. Nuthugging aside, IMO Pacquiao has Marquez number.

[fan johnny]

And exactly what would constitute being ignored ??You mean being ranked within the top 6 by The Ring by his 17th professional fight.....and within the top ten consistently for the last 13 + years......Or possibly that both made they're respected HBO debuts within months of one another.....Albeit Pac as a 2 week last minute substitute and fill in for...cough...Enrique Sanchez?

You guys really need to let go of it...Marquez is an equal to Pacquiao,both are supreme fighters with different respected styles and skillsets........and last I checked Manny is set to fight Ricky Hatton,Good luck with that!

You are misconstruing my statements about Marquez's popularity to a that of his ability.

Do a little goggle search and look at the career of Marquez. It tanked, twice. By himself he doesn't have the appeal. Marquez is a great fighter and I'm one of the first to say he proved that when he beat Diaz.

I'LL BE LOUD AND CLEAR. MARQUEZ IS NOT OVERRATED BY THE BOXING COMMUNITY, HE DESERVES HIS P4P #2 RATING.

Aware that all this does is bump the thread but I'm really not misconstruing 'If Pacquiao did not exist,Marquez would be another boxer that got ignored' at all.I just disagree with the inference that Pacquiao is soley responsible for Marquez being known and greatly acknowledged in the boxing world as a major player.He needs no coat tails to cling too.Both Marquez and Pacquiao are very worthy Champions.That we can agree on.

Goggle away friend.It may tell you the numbers and statistics but I'll stick to goggling the tapes and messy notebooks on the shelves in my den .Anyone believing that the "L"s next to the Norwood and John fights are clear definative cases of "tanking" in a career is off the mark.

I agree the thread is inappropriate for this debate and Your point is well taken that Pacquiao is not solely responsible for Marquez's popularity. I did not specifically intend to imply that he is. I was attempting to continue the tone set by Andre. Marquez earned and deserves the respect and gets it for being the fighter that he is.

Your arguments however is premise Marquez's ability as a fighter for which I have no dispute. You asked for clarification on what I meant and continue to draw conclusions that its about his ability rather than his popularity. Translate popularity into prize money earned if it makes it easier for you. My comments are not reflective of Marquez's W's & L's and I suggested to look them up for yourself. Marquez had to literally fight his way back into a boxing career. His earnings are dismal compared to the mega earnings of Pacquiao during the exact same time period.

Just so no mistake, this is not a response about Marquez being overrated because he is clearly not overrated.