Jury still out on Hhan!
Fast hands,hard punches,very strong at 135,needs more big fights.
This is getting funny...
- Barrera himself decided to continue fighting
- The referee/doctor decided to let the fight continue up to the 5th
- But some people (probably MAB fans) screaming for the fight to be stopped after round 1 in order to have a no contest...
Why did the officials in Abraham-Miranda fight let Abraham continue despite a broken jaw?? Why did the officials in Katsidis-Amonsot fight let Katsidis continue despite multiple cuts (i think 5) in his face?? Is it because Abraham/Katsidis were still competitive and winning their respective fights?
There's really no solid basis on when to stop the fight...
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Barrera was never going to quit, was he now? It's not for him to decide anyway when he has a cut as long and deep as that. He did not have a mirror, he most likely didnt know or believe it was as bad as it was.
The officials all have question marks surrounding them and should be investigated.
In the case of the Abraham fight. Yes, it was a terrible injury but a different type of injury entirely. The broken jaw doesnt stop you seeing punches coming. It probably hurts a lot though. And the Katsidis fight was WELL underway before the damage became REALLY bad. If the fight is reaching the climax and it's competitive then the fighter should be allowed to see it through.
But this was a butt in the second minute of the fight that would have affected Barrera badly for the entire fight. A different situation and one that should be considered on its own terms. These other fights are just you taking the argument on a tangent.
I really don't know but I'm guessing they're giving Barrera a chance but the cut worsened and they eventually pull the plug... I really don't know...
Why did the officials in Abraham-Miranda fight let Abraham continue despite a broken jaw?? Why did the officials in Katsidis-Amonsot fight let Katsidis continue despite multiple cuts (i think 5) in his face?? Is it because Abraham/Katsidis were still competitive and winning their respective fights?
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That's just funny Miles. "The doctor might have said Barrera would lose by TKO if he couldn't continue"Are you serious
? Someone as intelligent and as experienced as Barrera (with his trainer and his coach around him) not knowing the consequence if he stop fighting in the first round because of an accidental headbutt
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Fact of the matter is.... Barrera was hoping for a TKO. He gambled and lost. He was fighting for honor. He lost. No big deal because he did his best. he tried to fight against the odds and continue. What's the problem with that? As a boxing fan, Barrera looked greater to me than before for not quitting immediately.![]()
Ikariam
To be fair there is a difference between the Abraham Miranda fight and this one in that I believe Abraham's jaw was ruled caused by a punch. That meant if the fight got stopped Miranda automatically wins.
Abraham didn't WANT to carry on, if you've seen that fight his corner have to keep reassuring him that he's winning the fight and just stay away and make it to the final bell. The referee helped of course taking points away from Miranda for things like punching and looking menacing.
But as for the referee stopping the fight earlier it's really not his fault at all imo, it was down to Barrera and his team, maybe the doctor, although to be fair he was right there and the most qualified person in the ring to determine if Barrera could keep going or not.
I don't know if you remember a couple years ago when Laurance Cole advised J M Marquez to quit due to the cut he had sustained via a headbutt telling him he was well ahead on the score cards.
People went nuts, Larry Merchant said he should never be allowed to referee again. The referee CANNOT advise a fighter as to what he should do and if the ref and tried to encourage Barrera to quit he would face severe penalties.
At the end of the day the referee consults with the doctor and asks the fighter if he's ok to continue. If the doctor and the fighter think it can go on then the ref will let it go on.
Nothing about this is funny. I don't understand why the fight wasn't stopped. It's not about Barrera looking more great for me, Bruce. It's about being given a fair shake of the dice. I do concede that Barrera's corner should have got him out of there. You must have read the article Diane posted, that was gruesome reading. But Barrera's corner team are not trained doctors, that doctor that checked Barerra was supposedly a professional though. Barrera's cut was pushing 3 inches long at a precarious point on his skull. Even those biased British commentators were saying how the blood would just not stop and how it was like a motoring accident. Why could the doctor not see that or the referee for that matter? Why did it take until the 5th to stop it when that is the convenient point at which Khan takes his win?
It reeks of shadiness and ineptitude. Barrera is a fighter at the end of the day and would have carried on regardless of the damage. Nobody could ever deny his courage, but his courage is not what I am debating here.
Ikariam
I think this pic says it all. What competent doctor would allow a fighter to continue to fight with a 3 inch gash, and this much blood, that would obviously impede the fighters ability to see punches coming at him.
Plain and simple I think.
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Are you trying to wind me up?
I honestly don't believe you have taken in anything I have said over the duration of this thread. You seem to have missed my points entirely.
Look at that photo Diane has posted just now. We are not medical experts and we can see quite clearly this was no nick above the eyelid or a swelling on the brow. This was a fully fledged laceration of the head with blood streaming into the eye uncontrollably.
Can you tell me with any seriousness that this bout should not have been stopped sooner than it was? Forget the talk of courage, and answer that question as a boxing fan who has seen many cuts before and seen fights stopped for far less?
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