Shane Mosley vs Manny Pacquiao

[XaduBoxer]

NO! Just no!

Shane is too old for that shit are you crazy? Cotto moved up because he had to, he struggled to make 140.

Floyd? LOL, like that prick would ever give up an advantage....you really are mad!

I dunno but PAC was able to have Oscar (whom is way much bigger in terms of negotiating power compared to Mosley, Cotto or PBF) killed himself going down to 147... Oscar chased the PAC fight and PAC smartly convinced Oscar to go down to 147 in order to seal the fight...

Actually fighting at a catch weight is just to even things up... Mosley, Cotto and PBF are naturally bigger boxers than PAC...
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[XaduBoxer]

So Shane should kill himself making weight.......like Oscar did? Oscar fucked up there but Manny agreed to fight at 147. Why should a Welter have to come down in weight too?

Tell me

If Mosley is serious in pursuing a PAC fight then he should be willing to meet PAC halfway at 144 lbs. PAC is the man right now (specially if PAC annihilates Hatton) and it's expected for PAC to have the larger negotiating power...

Oscar fought PBF at 154
PBF fought Hatton at 147
PAC fought Oscar at 147
PAC will fight Hatton at 140

Weight class will come down to whoever has the larger say during negotiation...
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That is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard. Mosley needs to come down to 144 to fight Pac?

Get out of here with this nonsense!! This place has become a freakshow.

If Oscar who last fought at 147 8 years ago agreed to fight PAC at 147 then I think Mosley who last fought at 147 one month ago can easily make 144 specially if he will get an $8M guaranteed purse... What's 3 lbs. if you're guaranteed to get $8M ??
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[Taeth]

In all honesty if Manny can handle Mosley's power he has a good chance in this fight, he punches straighter, has the same speed, and higher output. That left cross from Winky was a nightmare for Mosley much nearer to his prime, I think Manny will be able to land that punch at will. Also Mosley is the same elite level of technical boxer JMM was, I am not sure if he has the boxing ability to really exploit Manny's flaws. The only two people around Manny's weight I see that can/could do that are Mayweather and JMM.

People comment about Oscar being weight drained, but fighters who are weight drained aren't 3 pounds away from the weigh-in weight a week and more in advance. I think his corner made the mistake of trying to make him really light on his feet so he could rush in after Manny through that left hand ala JMM, but it really backfired because he wasn't quick enough to do that.

[Chino]

DLH lost his legs in the round 6 from head blows

ODLH lost the fight since the bell rang on round 1. He didn't do anything at all really. I can see the ODLH vs Hopkins fight where he lost by KO and see that Oscar was DOING A LOT! But lost. Oscar was doing fast combos, jabs, uppercuts, hooks, lateral movements, etc. Even though he lost, I think he boxed pretty good vs Hopkins. Now, vs Pac, he didn't do anything really.

Like I said before, I think Pac looked better beating Morales and Barrera, and also """beating""" JMM. Taking some punches, getting hurt and in wobbly legs and coming back, counter punching, etc. If ODLH did everything in his arsenal vs Pac (like he did vs Hopkins) and still lost then yeah, I would be impressed and all but not in a fight where he didn't do anything.

It's like getting excited about Lennox Lewis vs Oliver McCall II and saying "Oh my gawd! Lennox is the man! Did you see those combos?! Oh my gawd! Did you see that jab? Superb!" when McCall didn't do anything at all.

I can see Pac doing just fine in coming fights. He seems to have the right corner and skills.

[fan johnny]

In all honesty if Manny can handle Mosley's power he has a good chance in this fight, he punches straighter, has the same speed, and higher output. That left cross from Winky was a nightmare for Mosley much nearer to his prime, I think Manny will be able to land that punch at will. Also Mosley is the same elite level of technical boxer JMM was, I am not sure if he has the boxing ability to really exploit Manny's flaws. The only two people around Manny's weight I see that can/could do that are Mayweather and JMM.

People comment about Oscar being weight drained, but fighters who are weight drained aren't 3 pounds away from the weigh-in weight a week and more in advance. I think his corner made the mistake of trying to make him really light on his feet so he could rush in after Manny through that left hand ala JMM, but it really backfired because he wasn't quick enough to do that.

This is a complete fallacy.... being "weight drained" is just a term used to basically say he had no stamina. It is not technical in terms of boxing nutrition. It was obvious that De La Hoya had a lack of stamina for his fight with Pacquiao.

IMO: Pacquiao originally setup Margarito as his target after Hatton, but since that fell through.... Cotto stepped into the #2 slot. When Mosley beat Margarito, Mosley had since murmured Pacquiao's name hoping to get a shot at that mega money. Since JMM defeated Diaz it put him back on the list. So provided Pacquiao comes away with the bigger half of the wishbone the list is like this:

#1 PBF
#2 MC
#3 SSM
#4 JMM

It all depends on the outcome of Hatton/Pacquiao, Cotto/Clottey and if PBF unretires. It's a toss up as to which is the bigger money draw with Marquez or Mosley. The primary reason Cotto is before SSM and JMM is Cotto is with Top Rank. How powerful is the mega money.......? I don't think we'll see either Mosley or Marquez line up another fight without knowing the fate of Pacquiao / Hatton and Pacquiao's next opponent.

[Taeth]

Oscar was boxing 12 rounds fine in the gym, I don't think it was stamina, he just couldn't catch Pacquiao, people said he had no snap on his punches, but Pacquiao never let him find the range, hence Oscar was only throwing range finders against Manny. Mayweather made the mistake of getting caught on the ropes, and not using enough movement against Oscar, but Manny didn't.

IMO I think Mosley is a harder opponent for Pacquiao than Cotto. IMO I don't see Cotto being able to catch Pacquiao in a big ring. Timing is important, but as good as Cotto's timing is, his footspeed and his timing aren't comparable to JMM, like we saw with Oscar I think Pacquiao could get in and out before Cotto would be able to react, Judah never used enough footwork, or that fight would have been a lot tougher for Cotto because Judah should have throw the left cross and uppercut all night, but he didn't, nor did he set them up at all.

[Hunter]

I think the biggest money fight would be the winner of Hatton/Pac against Mosley.....Unless Money comes back than it would be winner of Hatton/pac vs Mayweather.

[fan johnny]

I think the biggest money fight would be the winner of Hatton/Pac against Mosley.....Unless Money comes back than it would be winner of Hatton/pac vs Mayweather.

Even though there is buzz about JMM, I agree.... I also think the biggest money fight, provided Pacquiao wins East/West, is Mosley. The only thing is Top Rank has already lined up Cotto as long as he comes out the winner in June.

[eagle]

Pac has to be careful for a couple of reasons. Firstly he cant let all this media speculation distract him from his first task, defeating Hatton. Take Ricky lightly and he could get hurt, and all these big fights will be out the window.
Pac also has to realise his limitations. He wins a lot of fights against fighters who are arguably more skilled than him thru having speed, strength and chin. Against Mosely he would be giving up atleast 2 of these (strength and chin) and maybe even 3 cos Shane aint slow.
I guess we'll know a lot more after the Hatton fight but i think if Shane is at the same level he was against Margarito in a Pac fight he takes out Pac in 6.

[eagle]

In all honesty if Manny can handle Mosley's power he has a good chance in this fight, he punches straighter, has the same speed, and higher output. That left cross from Winky was a nightmare for Mosley much nearer to his prime, I think Manny will be able to land that punch at will. Also Mosley is the same elite level of technical boxer JMM was, I am not sure if he has the boxing ability to really exploit Manny's flaws. The only two people around Manny's weight I see that can/could do that are Mayweather and JMM.

People comment about Oscar being weight drained, but fighters who are weight drained aren't 3 pounds away from the weigh-in weight a week and more in advance. I think his corner made the mistake of trying to make him really light on his feet so he could rush in after Manny through that left hand ala JMM, but it really backfired because he wasn't quick enough to do that.

This is a complete fallacy.... being "weight drained" is just a term used to basically say he had no stamina. It is not technical in terms of boxing nutrition. It was obvious that De La Hoya had a lack of stamina for his fight with Pacquiao.

IMO: Pacquiao originally setup Margarito as his target after Hatton, but since that fell through.... Cotto stepped into the #2 slot. When Mosley beat Margarito, Mosley had since murmured Pacquiao's name hoping to get a shot at that mega money. Since JMM defeated Diaz it put him back on the list. So provided Pacquiao comes away with the bigger half of the wishbone the list is like this:

#1 PBF
#2 MC
#3 SSM
#4 JMM

It all depends on the outcome of Hatton/Pacquiao, Cotto/Clottey and if PBF unretires. It's a toss up as to which is the bigger money draw with Marquez or Mosley. The primary reason Cotto is before SSM and JMM is Cotto is with Top Rank. How powerful is the mega money.......? I don't think we'll see either Mosley or Marquez line up another fight without knowing the fate of Pacquiao / Hatton and Pacquiao's next opponent.

I've heard a number of Pac fans say Manny was weight drained when he got KTFO by singsurat, so if weight drain is a 'fallacy' did Manny lose that fight fair and square?

[XaduBoxer]

Pac has to be careful for a couple of reasons. Firstly he cant let all this media speculation distract him from his first task, defeating Hatton. Take Ricky lightly and he could get hurt, and all these big fights will be out the window.

PAC has nothing to do with all this outside talks... These are all from the media and from boxers who wanted to land in a huge money fight with PAC... Once in training, PAC is so serious about it... In fact, PAC just knocked down and slashed a cut on his sparring partner's eyebrow on the very first day of sparring... PAC in no way taking Hatton lightly...
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[eagle]

Pac has to be careful for a couple of reasons. Firstly he cant let all this media speculation distract him from his first task, defeating Hatton. Take Ricky lightly and he could get hurt, and all these big fights will be out the window.

PAC has nothing to do with all this outside talks... These are all from the media and from boxers who wanted to land in a huge money fight with PAC... Once in training, PAC is so serious about it... In fact, PAC just knocked down and slashed a cut on his sparring partner's eyebrow on the very first day of sparring... PAC in no way taking Hatton lightly...
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I didnt say he was taking him lightly i merely stated he should not. All power to him if he is training hard as ever.

[XaduBoxer]

Pac has to be careful for a couple of reasons. Firstly he cant let all this media speculation distract him from his first task, defeating Hatton. Take Ricky lightly and he could get hurt, and all these big fights will be out the window.

PAC has nothing to do with all this outside talks... These are all from the media and from boxers who wanted to land in a huge money fight with PAC... Once in training, PAC is so serious about it... In fact, PAC just knocked down and slashed a cut on his sparring partner's eyebrow on the very first day of sparring... PAC in no way taking Hatton lightly...
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I didnt say he was taking him lightly i merely stated he should not. All power to him if he is training hard as ever.

Then you didn't know PAC very well yet... PAC won't take any opponent lightly... He comes to the fights fully prepared and give everything in his capability to batter his opponents to defeat...
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[eagle]

PAC has nothing to do with all this outside talks... These are all from the media and from boxers who wanted to land in a huge money fight with PAC... Once in training, PAC is so serious about it... In fact, PAC just knocked down and slashed a cut on his sparring partner's eyebrow on the very first day of sparring... PAC in no way taking Hatton lightly...
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I didnt say he was taking him lightly i merely stated he should not. All power to him if he is training hard as ever.

Then you didn't know PAC very well yet... PAC won't take any opponent lightly... He comes to the fights fully prepared and give everything in his capability to batter his opponents to defeat...
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I may know little about Pac, but atleast i know how to construct a sentence in English....

[XaduBoxer]

I didnt say he was taking him lightly i merely stated he should not. All power to him if he is training hard as ever.

Then you didn't know PAC very well yet... PAC won't take any opponent lightly... He comes to the fights fully prepared and give everything in his capability to batter his opponents to defeat...
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I may know little about Pac, but atleast i know how to construct a sentence in English....

Pardon my English... Of course, you're good in English since it's your first language... unless it's Jiwarli...