Quote Originally Posted by Mr140 View Post
Yea but Bilbo Tony and Jones never faced the top guys they just got in with belt holders i mean not like Jones went in to fight Lewis.
Well Spinks did he went straight from being the light hevayweight champ into a world title fight with Larry Holmes, which he won.

As for not facing the top guys I don't know what you mean. Vitali, Chagaev and Wlad are all 'belt holders'. Vitali has the WBC, Chagaev the WBA, whilst Wlad holds the WBO and IBF titles.

There is no agreed upon unified champion in the division which is why the Ring doesn't have a champion at the weight, leaving that title vacant.

So you're arguing that its ok to fight one belt holder but not another? Interesting.

But just to humour you further Roy Jones beat John Ruiz in March 2003. Ruiz was handpicked as being a champ that a former middleweight could beat, Jones never intended to campaign at heavyweight or to fight for the undisputed crown. It was an attempt to pull of an historic win and then move back down, not remotely comparable to David Haye.

As for James Toney he fought John Ruiz for a world title in 2005 two years after Lennox Lewis had retired. The whole division was in a complete state of flux back then and we simply had no real champion at heavyweight so whoever he would have fought would have been just a 'beltholder'.


There is absolutely nothing wrong with jumping David Haye to the front of the queue. Firstly he's the only guy in the heavyweight division who has been an undisputed world champ, secondly he's the only one to offer any excitement and glamour.

What have the other guys got to offer that you would put above him?

Chagaev? Please point out his exciting fights that have thrilled audiences and that will pack a 60,000 + stadium or sell a PPV?

Arreola? Who has he beaten beyond mediocre American prospects? Has he beaten anyone of note yet? Does he even bother to train for his fights?

Povetkin? Deserves a shot as he's the winner of the elimination tournament held last year and he will get his shot. But he's had only 16 fights, has never held a world title unlike Haye and is hardly an exciting opponent guaranteed to bring casual sports fans flocking back to boxing. Haye is at least double the draw in terms of gate recepits, PPV buys etc and is at least double the excitment.

And apart from these three who else would you say deserves a shot more than Haye? Chambers is coming off a loss, Dimitrenko is still proving himself and hasn't beaten a top challenger yet, Peter, Maskaev, Brock, Ibragimov, Valuev have all not only lose but looked awful in their losses and certainly don't deserve to get right back into the mix so who else?

And what about Wlad and Vitali? You talk about what Haye does and does not deserve but what about them? If Wlad is the real champ in your eyes doesn't he deserve to fight the best opponent, another fellow champ and whom he can make the most money from? Why would force another shitty lame challanger on poor Wlad who is already suffering from recent walkovers against the likes of Austin, Ibragimov, Thompson, Brewster, Brock etc?

You would rather continute this production line of shitty opponents for Wlad that don't interest anyone, that make Wlad not only little money but also ruin his reputation and only serve to damage further the image of the heavyweight division, than to have him fight a genuine world class undisputed cruiserweight champ who is brash, exciting, can punch, has proven ko power, has a huge fanbase, glamour, talks to the talk and backs it up?

If you think this isn't a good fight to make then you are simply a moron, no offense of course