This is beyond reproach... To serve and protect my ass, this officer should be fired

[Tilt A Whirl]

Mate you don't have a clue. We have a man in the uk who had Downs Syndrome and had a stroke so went into hospital. He died due to them not feeding him. He went 26 days without food! This was in 2005 and its only made the news last week as a result of a report into 5 other deaths through neglect.

One hospital in Staffordshire has now hit the headlines because over a three year period an estimated 400-1200 people died through improper care!

None of those individual cases got any press on their own it took literally a catalog of complaints and gross incompentences before any of it made the news.

An ordinary person being inconvenienced just doesn't make headlines.

It was a huge story because Moates is a black celebrity. If he was just an ordinary working class guy, say a 23 year old McDonalds worker it wouldn't have made the local paper.

Um Moates really isnt a celebrity
He's barely in the NFL,he's been cut twice in the last two years.
And it certainly isnt because he's black
Its because the NFL players union got a complaint,and then they got the dash cam,which even the cops arent allowed to erase,and lets be honest,the dash cam makes the cop look like a total douchebag.The Union probably leaked it to the press,but even if they didnt,the media would have gotten a sniff of it anyway.
A week ago,nobody knew who the hell Moats was

Ah I see and I get what your saying. This was exactly my thinking too that an ordinary person would have no way of proving the story or any power to demand the police camera footage. He would just telephone the station or write and make a complaint and probably not even get his ticket refunded.

You have to some major leverage to get the dash cam footage and an ordinary Joe Blow's comlpaints would just fall on deaf ears.

Oh and I definitely agree about that cop sounded like a total douche.

But I do think he should still have got a ticket. I mean its not a good precadent to set that if there is a big enough emergency you can jump a red light. The law has to apply to everybody and not be subject to personal interperation. I also feel that way about the role of the police is well. I want them to do their job according to their rules and regulations and not make their own judgements because when people start making their own judgements is when things tend to fuck up.

So I completely agree that the cop was right to stop, pull over, demand to see the license and insurance of the driver and then issue a ticket, all of that is perfectly fine with me.

See thats the big kicker,it was a blinking red,a blinking red in the states happens either past a certain time in the night,or if theres a power outage which is what I read there was,they reset to blinking reds. The law in almost every state,is if you come to a blinking red,your supposed to treat it like a stop sign,stop, check both ways and proceed,which is what Moats did.
So ,no the cop wasnt even right to issue the ticket in the first place,he certainly wasnt right to draw his gun,and detaining Moats for 20 minutes,even after being asked by two nurses and a fellow officer to let Moats go in,is well beyond the pale.

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For the record Zach Thomas is white


Officer That Delayed Moats Once Jailed Zach Thomas’ Wife

Posted by Aaron Wilson on March 29, 2009, 11:21 a.m.

Robert Powell, the Dallas police officer who delayed Houston Texans running back Ryan Moats’ and his family while they were trying to get to the hospital to say goodbye to Moats’ mother-in-law on her deathbed, reportedly detained former Dallas Cowboys linebacker Zach Thomas’ wife on traffic violations last year for five hours.

In the wake of Powell being rebuked and placed on administrative leave for his misconduct toward the Moats family that was captured on video, Maritza Thomas came forward to discuss her run-in with Powell, telling her story to Todd Archer of the Dallas Morning News.

Pulled over in 2008 for an illegal U-turn, Thomas was given five tickets by Powell with four of them later dismissed. And she was handcuffed and taken to jail. There is no video of the incident.

“This in no way compares to what happened to Ryan Moats and his family,” Thomas told the Morning News. “But we wanted to tell our story, not knowing how many others have been affected by Officer Powell. We know the vast majority of the Dallas police force are good and professional people, but this guy just seems excessive.”

Ultimately, the following charges were dismissed against Zach Thomas’ wife: not having a registration sticker, improper address on a driver’s license, running a stoplight, and failure to display proof of insurance.

A deferred adjudication was assessed on the U-turn ticket, and Thomas’ record will be cleared in April.

“This situation never should’ve happened,” said Maritza Thomas’ attorney, Brody Shanklin. “Unless extraordinary circumstances exist, no person should be arrested for a Class C citation. In this case, it was an example of Officer Powell being overzealous and exerting his authority in a manner that he never should have.”

Powell’s lawyer, Bob Gorsky, questioned why Thomas is speaking out now following the incident with Moats.

“After her arrest, she may have mentioned that her husband was a football player, but that played no role in her arrest or the disposition of the case,” Gorsky said. “I do understand that an arrest on multiple traffic charges happens often and is absolutely proper under these circumstances. Often, when there are multiple charges, an arrest made and bond posted, some of the charges from a single event are later dropped.”

[sonny78]

Um Moates really isnt a celebrity
He's barely in the NFL,he's been cut twice in the last two years.
And it certainly isnt because he's black
Its because the NFL players union got a complaint,and then they got the dash cam,which even the cops arent allowed to erase,and lets be honest,the dash cam makes the cop look like a total douchebag.The Union probably leaked it to the press,but even if they didnt,the media would have gotten a sniff of it anyway.
A week ago,nobody knew who the hell Moats was

Ah I see and I get what your saying. This was exactly my thinking too that an ordinary person would have no way of proving the story or any power to demand the police camera footage. He would just telephone the station or write and make a complaint and probably not even get his ticket refunded.

You have to some major leverage to get the dash cam footage and an ordinary Joe Blow's comlpaints would just fall on deaf ears.

Oh and I definitely agree about that cop sounded like a total douche.

But I do think he should still have got a ticket. I mean its not a good precadent to set that if there is a big enough emergency you can jump a red light. The law has to apply to everybody and not be subject to personal interperation. I also feel that way about the role of the police is well. I want them to do their job according to their rules and regulations and not make their own judgements because when people start making their own judgements is when things tend to fuck up.

So I completely agree that the cop was right to stop, pull over, demand to see the license and insurance of the driver and then issue a ticket, all of that is perfectly fine with me.

See thats the big kicker,it was a blinking red,a blinking red in the states happens either past a certain time in the night,or if theres a power outage which is what I read there was,they reset to blinking reds. The law in almost every state,is if you come to a blinking red,your supposed to treat it like a stop sign,stop, check both ways and proceed,which is what Moats did.
So ,no the cop wasnt even right to issue the ticket in the first place,he certainly wasnt right to draw his gun,and detaining Moats for 20 minutes,even after being asked by two nurses and a fellow officer to let Moats go in,is well beyond the pale.

Bollocks, Watch the video, the light is solid red all the lights in the area are on there was no power outage

[Tilt A Whirl]

Ah I see and I get what your saying. This was exactly my thinking too that an ordinary person would have no way of proving the story or any power to demand the police camera footage. He would just telephone the station or write and make a complaint and probably not even get his ticket refunded.

You have to some major leverage to get the dash cam footage and an ordinary Joe Blow's comlpaints would just fall on deaf ears.

Oh and I definitely agree about that cop sounded like a total douche.

But I do think he should still have got a ticket. I mean its not a good precadent to set that if there is a big enough emergency you can jump a red light. The law has to apply to everybody and not be subject to personal interperation. I also feel that way about the role of the police is well. I want them to do their job according to their rules and regulations and not make their own judgements because when people start making their own judgements is when things tend to fuck up.

So I completely agree that the cop was right to stop, pull over, demand to see the license and insurance of the driver and then issue a ticket, all of that is perfectly fine with me.

See thats the big kicker,it was a blinking red,a blinking red in the states happens either past a certain time in the night,or if theres a power outage which is what I read there was,they reset to blinking reds. The law in almost every state,is if you come to a blinking red,your supposed to treat it like a stop sign,stop, check both ways and proceed,which is what Moats did.
So ,no the cop wasnt even right to issue the ticket in the first place,he certainly wasnt right to draw his gun,and detaining Moats for 20 minutes,even after being asked by two nurses and a fellow officer to let Moats go in,is well beyond the pale.

Bollocks, Watch the video, the light is solid red all the lights in the area are on there was no power outage

According the arresting officer,its was a blinking red,he's the one who pulled him over,he should have known

[Spicoli]

Just saw that as well...the red light and he was driving with his hazard lights on,came to a full stop and continued...........cop was a over bearing bureaucratic halfwit who might be served well by extended desk duty.Period.