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    Default Re: Pacquiao beating Hatton...I just don't see it

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    You can't compare Pacquiao's speed to that of Maligfaggi...

    Statement: Ricky Hatton was asked repeatedly how he could expect to cope with Pacquiao’s now-legendary speed and each time he had the same answer: “They said the same thing about Paulie Malignaggi, how he was too quick for me and how he was going to outbox me. And look what happened in that fight.”

    Where he went wrong: Many experts did favor Malignaggi in their November fight, in which Hatton won by 11th-round TKO. Hatton’s mistake is equating Malignaggi in any way to Pacquiao. Malignaggi is a fairly quick-handed, capable fighter. However, one thing opponents often say after fighting Pacquiao for the first time is they underestimated his amazing hand speed, not to mention his foot speed. And Pacquaio’s not just a capable fighter; he’s a great fighter, perhaps one of the best ever. Like so many before him, Hatton might be very surprised on May 2.


    You are right in that Malignaggi is just one fighter and Manny is a different beast. One who can punch hard and fast, with both hands too. Pac has excellent hand speed and footwork. But let's not forget that it was only a year ago that Marquez was giving Manny all he could handle and that was at 130.

    Pac has risen a lot in this past year and though the Oscar win was a surprise, it was abundantly clear that all was not well with Oscar. The Forbes fight also showed obvious signs of decay. Don't underestimate Ricky Hatton. He surprises people with his speed and power too. Looking at footage of him training, I am very impressed with how things are looking. It isn't about burning down for once, he is working on those skills, getting that head moving and the combinations flowing. Hatton's skills are underrated IMO, and that has been partly because he himself has sometimes forgotten to apply the method. The method is right back at the heart of things again now, and I like what I'm seeing. I'm optimistic.
    A year can really make a big difference... A year ago, many said PAC has no chance against Hatton but now, PAC is heavy favorite to smash Hatton...

    Hatton surprises a lot of boxers with his speed but Pacquiao is the more experienced boxer here and been into many fights that probably he has seen already almost all fighting style from 106 lbs. to 147 lbs... Pacquiao can't be surprised anymore, he has seen them all... More likely it will be PAC surprising the lesser experienced Hatton...
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    In that year Pac has lost to Marquez (IMO), gone up to 135 and fought the weakest of the belt holders and then fought the biggest name in world boxing at the most opportune moment possible. It's amazing that Pac is heavy favourite to beat Hatton at 140. Truly mindblowing in fact!

    Any boxing fan knows that the betting odds do not tell us everything.

    I don't think experience is the difference here at all. Both fighters are extremely seasoned and have been around a long time. If we are to talk about experience it is perhaps in Hattons favour as he knows the score at 140 and beaten live bodies there. I have to laugh when I hear the name of David Diaz as a comparable fighter by which to weigh up Ricky Hattons chances against Manny (which is something I have read too many times). It's a totally different league.

    You write off Hatton too easily and that's your call. Manny is a tough one to handle with those quick hands, but if Hatton has his timing down then Pacs legs will be turning to jelly.

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    You are right in that Malignaggi is just one fighter and Manny is a different beast. One who can punch hard and fast, with both hands too. Pac has excellent hand speed and footwork. But let's not forget that it was only a year ago that Marquez was giving Manny all he could handle and that was at 130.

    Pac has risen a lot in this past year and though the Oscar win was a surprise, it was abundantly clear that all was not well with Oscar. The Forbes fight also showed obvious signs of decay. Don't underestimate Ricky Hatton. He surprises people with his speed and power too. Looking at footage of him training, I am very impressed with how things are looking. It isn't about burning down for once, he is working on those skills, getting that head moving and the combinations flowing. Hatton's skills are underrated IMO, and that has been partly because he himself has sometimes forgotten to apply the method. The method is right back at the heart of things again now, and I like what I'm seeing. I'm optimistic.
    A year can really make a big difference... A year ago, many said PAC has no chance against Hatton but now, PAC is heavy favorite to smash Hatton...

    Hatton surprises a lot of boxers with his speed but Pacquiao is the more experienced boxer here and been into many fights that probably he has seen already almost all fighting style from 106 lbs. to 147 lbs... Pacquiao can't be surprised anymore, he has seen them all... More likely it will be PAC surprising the lesser experienced Hatton...
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    In that year Pac has lost to Marquez (IMO), gone up to 135 and fought the weakest of the belt holders and then fought the biggest name in world boxing at the most opportune moment possible. It's amazing that Pac is heavy favourite to beat Hatton at 140. Truly mindblowing in fact!

    Any boxing fan knows that the betting odds do not tell us everything.

    I don't think experience is the difference here at all. Both fighters are extremely seasoned and have been around a long time. If we are to talk about experience it is perhaps in Hattons favour as he knows the score at 140 and beaten live bodies there. I have to laugh when I hear the name of David Diaz as a comparable fighter by which to weigh up Ricky Hattons chances against Manny (which is something I have read too many times). It's a totally different league.

    You write off Hatton too easily and that's your call. Manny is a tough one to handle with those quick hands, but if Hatton has his timing down then Pacs legs will be turning to jelly.
    I have respect for Hatton being "the man at 140" but let's not forget PAC was former lineal champ at 112, 126 and 130... For Ricky's one house, PAC got 3 houses... Some rankings organization even this early already installed PAC as "the man at 140"...

    Maybe it's worthwhile to mention also that PAC owned the current man at 135...
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    Default Re: Pacquiao beating Hatton...I just don't see it

    Quote Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer View Post

    A year can really make a big difference... A year ago, many said PAC has no chance against Hatton but now, PAC is heavy favorite to smash Hatton...

    Hatton surprises a lot of boxers with his speed but Pacquiao is the more experienced boxer here and been into many fights that probably he has seen already almost all fighting style from 106 lbs. to 147 lbs... Pacquiao can't be surprised anymore, he has seen them all... More likely it will be PAC surprising the lesser experienced Hatton...
    .
    In that year Pac has lost to Marquez (IMO), gone up to 135 and fought the weakest of the belt holders and then fought the biggest name in world boxing at the most opportune moment possible. It's amazing that Pac is heavy favourite to beat Hatton at 140. Truly mindblowing in fact!

    Any boxing fan knows that the betting odds do not tell us everything.

    I don't think experience is the difference here at all. Both fighters are extremely seasoned and have been around a long time. If we are to talk about experience it is perhaps in Hattons favour as he knows the score at 140 and beaten live bodies there. I have to laugh when I hear the name of David Diaz as a comparable fighter by which to weigh up Ricky Hattons chances against Manny (which is something I have read too many times). It's a totally different league.

    You write off Hatton too easily and that's your call. Manny is a tough one to handle with those quick hands, but if Hatton has his timing down then Pacs legs will be turning to jelly.
    I have respect for Hatton being "the man at 140" but let's not forget PAC was former lineal champ at 112, 126 and 130... For Ricky's one house, PAC got 3 houses... Some rankings organization even this early already installed PAC as "the man at 140"...

    Maybe it's worthwhile to mention also that PAC owned the current man at 135...
    .
    I have nothing but respect for Manny Pac and all he has achieved at the lower weights. Beating a prime Barrera the way he did was nothing short of amazing. And Hatton has won titles in two weight classes. He has stepped up to WW, and Collazo fought the fight of his life against Hatton. It was a close fight but I think Hatton nudged it. Hatton makes 140 easily enough and is right to stay there though. It's not a competition where its about whoever can jump the most weights.

    Manny owned JMM? That's news to me and many others.

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    In that year Pac has lost to Marquez (IMO), gone up to 135 and fought the weakest of the belt holders and then fought the biggest name in world boxing at the most opportune moment possible. It's amazing that Pac is heavy favourite to beat Hatton at 140. Truly mindblowing in fact!

    Any boxing fan knows that the betting odds do not tell us everything.

    I don't think experience is the difference here at all. Both fighters are extremely seasoned and have been around a long time. If we are to talk about experience it is perhaps in Hattons favour as he knows the score at 140 and beaten live bodies there. I have to laugh when I hear the name of David Diaz as a comparable fighter by which to weigh up Ricky Hattons chances against Manny (which is something I have read too many times). It's a totally different league.

    You write off Hatton too easily and that's your call. Manny is a tough one to handle with those quick hands, but if Hatton has his timing down then Pacs legs will be turning to jelly.
    I have respect for Hatton being "the man at 140" but let's not forget PAC was former lineal champ at 112, 126 and 130... For Ricky's one house, PAC got 3 houses... Some rankings organization even this early already installed PAC as "the man at 140"...

    Maybe it's worthwhile to mention also that PAC owned the current man at 135...
    .
    I have nothing but respect for Manny Pac and all he has achieved at the lower weights. Beating a prime Barrera the way he did was nothing short of amazing. And Hatton has won titles in two weight classes. He has stepped up to WW, and Collazo fought the fight of his life against Hatton. It was a close fight but I think Hatton nudged it. Hatton makes 140 easily enough and is right to stay there though. It's not a competition where its about whoever can jump the most weights.

    Manny owned JMM? That's news to me and many others.
    Hatton should be proud of his 2 division titles tho PAC much very proud with his 5 division titles aside from the 3 lineal titles...

    PAC owning the current man at 135 is really worthwhile mentioning since many didn't knew it...
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    Default Re: Pacquiao beating Hatton...I just don't see it

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    I have respect for Hatton being "the man at 140" but let's not forget PAC was former lineal champ at 112, 126 and 130... For Ricky's one house, PAC got 3 houses... Some rankings organization even this early already installed PAC as "the man at 140"...

    Maybe it's worthwhile to mention also that PAC owned the current man at 135...
    .
    I have nothing but respect for Manny Pac and all he has achieved at the lower weights. Beating a prime Barrera the way he did was nothing short of amazing. And Hatton has won titles in two weight classes. He has stepped up to WW, and Collazo fought the fight of his life against Hatton. It was a close fight but I think Hatton nudged it. Hatton makes 140 easily enough and is right to stay there though. It's not a competition where its about whoever can jump the most weights.

    Manny owned JMM? That's news to me and many others.
    Hatton should be proud of his 2 division titles tho PAC much very proud with his 5 division titles aside from the 3 lineal titles...

    PAC owning the current man at 135 is really worthwhile mentioning since many didn't knew it...
    .
    Hatton should be very proud of beating Collazo. I have a sneaky suspicion that Collazo is not even a human being and is in fact an alien from the planet Zog. He masquerades as a boxer, but that tattoo work is actually set in the style of an ancient alien race that came to earth many thousands of years ago. Collazo doesn't have human teeth either. Most definitely an alien in my humble opinion. So, that makes Hattons win all the more remarkable. Mosley had an easy time with Collazo because Mosley is quite obviously not a human either.

    Back to reality. I don't think anybody owned anybody in either of the Marquez fights. They were extremely close fights and that is why most boxing fans would like to see a third fight. Pac is fighting the likes of DLH and Hatton because they bring the money, if Manny's heart was in the right place he would be settling things with Marquez right now. Unfortunately, he is going with his head and straight to the wallet. Most fighters would do the same, so that's no dig at Manny. But a third Marquez fight is what most boxing fans want more than anything because we all know how inconclusive the previous two fights were.

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    I have nothing but respect for Manny Pac and all he has achieved at the lower weights. Beating a prime Barrera the way he did was nothing short of amazing. And Hatton has won titles in two weight classes. He has stepped up to WW, and Collazo fought the fight of his life against Hatton. It was a close fight but I think Hatton nudged it. Hatton makes 140 easily enough and is right to stay there though. It's not a competition where its about whoever can jump the most weights.

    Manny owned JMM? That's news to me and many others.
    Hatton should be proud of his 2 division titles tho PAC much very proud with his 5 division titles aside from the 3 lineal titles...

    PAC owning the current man at 135 is really worthwhile mentioning since many didn't knew it...
    .
    Hatton should be very proud of beating Collazo. I have a sneaky suspicion that Collazo is not even a human being and is in fact an alien from the planet Zog. He masquerades as a boxer, but that tattoo work is actually set in the style of an ancient alien race that came to earth many thousands of years ago. Collazo doesn't have human teeth either. Most definitely an alien in my humble opinion. So, that makes Hattons win all the more remarkable. Mosley had an easy time with Collazo because Mosley is quite obviously not a human either.

    Back to reality. I don't think anybody owned anybody in either of the Marquez fights. They were extremely close fights and that is why most boxing fans would like to see a third fight. Pac is fighting the likes of DLH and Hatton because they bring the money, if Manny's heart was in the right place he would be settling things with Marquez right now. Unfortunately, he is going with his head and straight to the wallet. Most fighters would do the same, so that's no dig at Manny. But a third Marquez fight is what most boxing fans want more than anything because we all know how inconclusive the previous two fights were.
    Collazo is a good win by Hatton despite being buzzed and wobbled in the last round of that fight and having difficulties of Collazo's southpaw stance...

    Regarding JMM, I don't want to discuss his fights with PAC anymore... We will just refer it to the record books...

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    Default Re: Pacquiao beating Hatton...I just don't see it

    Quote Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by miles View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer View Post

    Hatton should be proud of his 2 division titles tho PAC much very proud with his 5 division titles aside from the 3 lineal titles...

    PAC owning the current man at 135 is really worthwhile mentioning since many didn't knew it...
    .
    Hatton should be very proud of beating Collazo. I have a sneaky suspicion that Collazo is not even a human being and is in fact an alien from the planet Zog. He masquerades as a boxer, but that tattoo work is actually set in the style of an ancient alien race that came to earth many thousands of years ago. Collazo doesn't have human teeth either. Most definitely an alien in my humble opinion. So, that makes Hattons win all the more remarkable. Mosley had an easy time with Collazo because Mosley is quite obviously not a human either.

    Back to reality. I don't think anybody owned anybody in either of the Marquez fights. They were extremely close fights and that is why most boxing fans would like to see a third fight. Pac is fighting the likes of DLH and Hatton because they bring the money, if Manny's heart was in the right place he would be settling things with Marquez right now. Unfortunately, he is going with his head and straight to the wallet. Most fighters would do the same, so that's no dig at Manny. But a third Marquez fight is what most boxing fans want more than anything because we all know how inconclusive the previous two fights were.
    Collazo is a good win by Hatton despite being buzzed and wobbled in the last round of that fight and having difficulties of Collazo's southpaw stance...

    Regarding JMM, I don't want to discuss his fights with PAC anymore... We will just refer it to the record books...
    Hatton possibly took Collazo a little lightly as well. The southpaw stance is something Hatton has always struggled to look good against. But against Manny I don't think there can be any excuses. We all know exactly what Pac brings to the table in terms of his style.

    JMM and the record books. Tsk tsk.

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