Hypothetical: Could PBF beat Pac?

[Taeth]

Mayweather-Judah was competitive for like 4 rounds. Whoa! Corley landed like one big shot against Mayweather. And like 4 or 5 other good shots in the 4th round. Other than that he was dominated. As for Sanders? Some how I don't think Mayweather is the same fighter he was in his 2nd pro fight. I think he might of improved a little since than. Just when I thought i read it all. Why not just bring up Pac's early ko loses and use that as prooof that he's weak in the body?

You are argueing with me about Floyd even though you clearly haven't seen Mayweather-Corley or else you would know Corley landed more than one big shot, maybe you should actually watch that fight before you make comments. I am not saying Judah almost won against Mayweather, but when he threw punches Mayweather certainly wasn't landing anything, and Judah landed that left cross almost whenever he threw it which wasn't enough. Sanders landed like 50% on Mayweather, 2nd fight or not Sanders was terrible and after that fight Floyd Snr said Mayweather wouldn't fight another southpaw as a pro, and he didn't until Corley becauase his defensive style doesn't work against southpaws.

Floyd is my favorite fighter in boxing, and second favorite all time behind Roy Jones jr, but I am not foolish enough to ignore the fact that he is bad against southpaws and he hasn't faced somebody as good as Pacquiao, he has faced Zab Judah who was as fast as Manny, but Zab doesn't throw punches, and he doesn't use movement, and he burns out mentally before half a fight is over. Him and Pacquiao are as different as night and day. Clearly we saw the speed difference between Manny and Oscar, and Oscar's speed made Floyd go on the defensive and Oscar was fast enough that Floyd was having a difficult time countering, I think him trying to counter Hatton or Oscar off the ropes and trying to counter Pacquiao are two completely different things. If Floyd stays on the ropes against Manny, he could be in a dire trouble. If he can keep the fight in the middle of the ring and keep on changing up the range between him and Pacman then he would likely win, maybe even dominate Manny.

Did Calzaghe land effectively on Hopkins? No, despite the fact that Hopkins landed almost all the clean, effective punches the judges still awarded the fight to Joe because of his higher workrate. Floyd could land all the good shots, but if Pacman throws a lot and makes Floyd look very defensive who knows how the fight will turn out. Floyd only got a split decision against Oscar even though he should have won nearly every round through good defense and clean effective punching.

yea Corley hit Floyd. but Floyd adapted and won the fight easily, and people tend to play down Corley's power, he can punch, Oscar Larios gave Pacquiao fits, and made it a competitive fight, it wasn't really lopsided like the scores may imply, i had Manny winning i think 8 rounds to 4 (plus the knockdowns, and remember Larios tends to be chinny) , and a lot of the rounds were hard fought rounds so it's not like Manny is untouchable

My question is how do Mosley and Cotto pose more difficult tasks for Mayweather? Mosley throws combinations, but these days their are more like Calzaghe's combinations and less like the ones Shane threw as a lightweight. He doesn't fight at the same speed as his body moves at which was evident against Cotto who beat him to the punch repeatedly. Miguel Cotto is a great fighter, but he has slow movement and Mayweather is Zab Judah or Paulie, he is a lot harder to hit, and he hits a lot harder than Paulie. We saw Floyd take Baldomir out of their fight in the first 4 rounds because its so frustrating to fight him, while Baldomir never lost hope against Judah because if you keep coming Zab will eventually fold. Once Mayweather doesn't use his tradional defense against southpaws, he has more of a peak-a-boo defense and Zab was able to split his guard with the left hand at will, not only that but Floyd is very squared up against southpaws so its easier for Pacquiao to land his right hook as well.

Cotto and Mosley are REAL welterweights, and Cotto is in his prime, Manny can't even really be ranked or judged how he'll do at welter when he hasn't fought a live welter, he fought a weight drained shot DLH, it's not even a question on how the DLH that fought Quartey would have done against Manny, he would have put a gruesome beating on him, but time passes and that's not the fighter that was in the ring December, i think Manny can make the fight with Mayweather interesting, but if it happenes at 147 (where it most likely will) i think Mayweathers footspeed, power, and skill will be too much and he'll make Pacquiao look ordinary

How can you measure how drained Oscar was? Manny never gave him the oppertunity to do anything. We don't know how the Oscar that fought Quartey would have done against Manny because Quartey isn't the same fighter Pacquiao is, Quartey fights like Winky Wright he's stationary, he has a great jab and left hook, but a poor right hand.

Also how did oyu ahve Oscar Larios winning four rounds against Manny? I can see that one roung that he hurt Manny, but most of hte rounds Manny clearly won.

I'm not saying I don't think Mayweather will win, but IMO he beats Cotto and Mosley a lot easier, they aren't as hungry as Manny, they aren't as fast, and they aren't southpaw.

I don't think Cotto and Mosley being real welterweights matters because fighting Mayweather is never about size, he knows how to handle bigger guys, and he doesn't impose himself physically on smaller guys.

I am not trying to say Corley was competitive with Mayweather, but that him being a southpaw made a guy of his caliber much more difficult than the same caliber of guy would have been as an orthodox fighter, and he landed punches in all the early rounds, once again I have no idea what people are watching. He was landing with more regularity than Oscar De La Hoya or Ricky Hatton who are both way better than him.

Also I can see Floyd making Pacquiao look stupid in certain circumstances, but if great boxers like Barrera and Marquez can sustain a boxer's edge on the modern version of Pacman then I think Floyd wouldn't be able to with all the ease in the world. I prefer Floyd ten times to Manny, but obviously I am saying this would be competitive for a reason. People way too often think size is the determinant factor, I can look back and see half the people on here think Gatti would beat Floyd. People have a set belief about who should be where in the sport and they won't budge an inch. PS I also think Hatton's style is worse for Manny than Floyd's, but that Floyd is much better at his style than Hatton and a much better and more adaptable athlete than Ricky.

[jon09]

Does Pac own Saddoboxing.com? Pac has a mountain in Ricky Hatton 1st which I think will be more entertaining then a PBF fight. If this fight ever happens and Manny gets by the Hitman then I'm going with Floyd by decision over the Pacman. I think Manny will have a good first few rounds and then will start getting countered with hooks and hard crosses all night long. It will be almost like the Zab Judah fight but I think Floyd will keep the pressure on and make Manny pay more dearly from round 6 to the end.

[ElTerribleMorales]

You are argueing with me about Floyd even though you clearly haven't seen Mayweather-Corley or else you would know Corley landed more than one big shot, maybe you should actually watch that fight before you make comments. I am not saying Judah almost won against Mayweather, but when he threw punches Mayweather certainly wasn't landing anything, and Judah landed that left cross almost whenever he threw it which wasn't enough. Sanders landed like 50% on Mayweather, 2nd fight or not Sanders was terrible and after that fight Floyd Snr said Mayweather wouldn't fight another southpaw as a pro, and he didn't until Corley becauase his defensive style doesn't work against southpaws.

Floyd is my favorite fighter in boxing, and second favorite all time behind Roy Jones jr, but I am not foolish enough to ignore the fact that he is bad against southpaws and he hasn't faced somebody as good as Pacquiao, he has faced Zab Judah who was as fast as Manny, but Zab doesn't throw punches, and he doesn't use movement, and he burns out mentally before half a fight is over. Him and Pacquiao are as different as night and day. Clearly we saw the speed difference between Manny and Oscar, and Oscar's speed made Floyd go on the defensive and Oscar was fast enough that Floyd was having a difficult time countering, I think him trying to counter Hatton or Oscar off the ropes and trying to counter Pacquiao are two completely different things. If Floyd stays on the ropes against Manny, he could be in a dire trouble. If he can keep the fight in the middle of the ring and keep on changing up the range between him and Pacman then he would likely win, maybe even dominate Manny.

Did Calzaghe land effectively on Hopkins? No, despite the fact that Hopkins landed almost all the clean, effective punches the judges still awarded the fight to Joe because of his higher workrate. Floyd could land all the good shots, but if Pacman throws a lot and makes Floyd look very defensive who knows how the fight will turn out. Floyd only got a split decision against Oscar even though he should have won nearly every round through good defense and clean effective punching.

yea Corley hit Floyd. but Floyd adapted and won the fight easily, and people tend to play down Corley's power, he can punch, Oscar Larios gave Pacquiao fits, and made it a competitive fight, it wasn't really lopsided like the scores may imply, i had Manny winning i think 8 rounds to 4 (plus the knockdowns, and remember Larios tends to be chinny) , and a lot of the rounds were hard fought rounds so it's not like Manny is untouchable

My question is how do Mosley and Cotto pose more difficult tasks for Mayweather? Mosley throws combinations, but these days their are more like Calzaghe's combinations and less like the ones Shane threw as a lightweight. He doesn't fight at the same speed as his body moves at which was evident against Cotto who beat him to the punch repeatedly. Miguel Cotto is a great fighter, but he has slow movement and Mayweather is Zab Judah or Paulie, he is a lot harder to hit, and he hits a lot harder than Paulie. We saw Floyd take Baldomir out of their fight in the first 4 rounds because its so frustrating to fight him, while Baldomir never lost hope against Judah because if you keep coming Zab will eventually fold. Once Mayweather doesn't use his tradional defense against southpaws, he has more of a peak-a-boo defense and Zab was able to split his guard with the left hand at will, not only that but Floyd is very squared up against southpaws so its easier for Pacquiao to land his right hook as well.

Cotto and Mosley are REAL welterweights, and Cotto is in his prime, Manny can't even really be ranked or judged how he'll do at welter when he hasn't fought a live welter, he fought a weight drained shot DLH, it's not even a question on how the DLH that fought Quartey would have done against Manny, he would have put a gruesome beating on him, but time passes and that's not the fighter that was in the ring December, i think Manny can make the fight with Mayweather interesting, but if it happenes at 147 (where it most likely will) i think Mayweathers footspeed, power, and skill will be too much and he'll make Pacquiao look ordinary

How can you measure how drained Oscar was? Manny never gave him the oppertunity to do anything. We don't know how the Oscar that fought Quartey would have done against Manny because Quartey isn't the same fighter Pacquiao is, Quartey fights like Winky Wright he's stationary, he has a great jab and left hook, but a poor right hand.

Also how did oyu ahve Oscar Larios winning four rounds against Manny? I can see that one roung that he hurt Manny, but most of hte rounds Manny clearly won.

I'm not saying I don't think Mayweather will win, but IMO he beats Cotto and Mosley a lot easier, they aren't as hungry as Manny, they aren't as fast, and they aren't southpaw.

I don't think Cotto and Mosley being real welterweights matters because fighting Mayweather is never about size, he knows how to handle bigger guys, and he doesn't impose himself physically on smaller guys.

I am not trying to say Corley was competitive with Mayweather, but that him being a southpaw made a guy of his caliber much more difficult than the same caliber of guy would have been as an orthodox fighter, and he landed punches in all the early rounds, once again I have no idea what people are watching. He was landing with more regularity than Oscar De La Hoya or Ricky Hatton who are both way better than him.

Also I can see Floyd making Pacquiao look stupid in certain circumstances, but if great boxers like Barrera and Marquez can sustain a boxer's edge on the modern version of Pacman then I think Floyd wouldn't be able to with all the ease in the world. I prefer Floyd ten times to Manny, but obviously I am saying this would be competitive for a reason. People way too often think size is the determinant factor, I can look back and see half the people on here think Gatti would beat Floyd. People have a set belief about who should be where in the sport and they won't budge an inch. PS I also think Hatton's style is worse for Manny than Floyd's, but that Floyd is much better at his style than Hatton and a much better and more adaptable athlete than Ricky.

i get where you're coming from but the Oscar that fought Quartey didn't kill himself to make welter that does play a crucial role in the fight, he was in his prime, and he would of boxed Manny's ear's off, he wouldn't just simply try to rush in and throw pointless punches, the only thing he did against Manny, DLH managed to get Pacquiao on the ropes, but wasn't able to do anything when he did, if it were the prime young DLH who was active at welter he would have made Manny pay badly on the ropes, I agree that Pacquiao's will and his improved boxing ability will probably give Mayweather some probs for a couple rounds like Judah, but IMO he'll get figured out and easily beaten for a very clear UD or late stoppage, and back to the Larios fight, i had it 8 to 4, which is still a very clear win for Manny especially since Manny dropped him twice, but back to that, Larios hurt him, if Floyd connects with the hard accurate shots he's known for he can stop him, i don't see the same thing happening the other way around

[Killa From Manila]

Didn't Judah knocked down Floyd?

[Majesty]

yea Corley hit Floyd. but Floyd adapted and won the fight easily, and people tend to play down Corley's power, he can punch, Oscar Larios gave Pacquiao fits, and made it a competitive fight, it wasn't really lopsided like the scores may imply, i had Manny winning i think 8 rounds to 4 (plus the knockdowns, and remember Larios tends to be chinny) , and a lot of the rounds were hard fought rounds so it's not like Manny is untouchable


Cotto and Mosley are REAL welterweights, and Cotto is in his prime, Manny can't even really be ranked or judged how he'll do at welter when he hasn't fought a live welter, he fought a weight drained shot DLH, it's not even a question on how the DLH that fought Quartey would have done against Manny, he would have put a gruesome beating on him, but time passes and that's not the fighter that was in the ring December, i think Manny can make the fight with Mayweather interesting, but if it happenes at 147 (where it most likely will) i think Mayweathers footspeed, power, and skill will be too much and he'll make Pacquiao look ordinary

How can you measure how drained Oscar was? Manny never gave him the oppertunity to do anything. We don't know how the Oscar that fought Quartey would have done against Manny because Quartey isn't the same fighter Pacquiao is, Quartey fights like Winky Wright he's stationary, he has a great jab and left hook, but a poor right hand.

Also how did oyu ahve Oscar Larios winning four rounds against Manny? I can see that one roung that he hurt Manny, but most of hte rounds Manny clearly won.

I'm not saying I don't think Mayweather will win, but IMO he beats Cotto and Mosley a lot easier, they aren't as hungry as Manny, they aren't as fast, and they aren't southpaw.

I don't think Cotto and Mosley being real welterweights matters because fighting Mayweather is never about size, he knows how to handle bigger guys, and he doesn't impose himself physically on smaller guys.

I am not trying to say Corley was competitive with Mayweather, but that him being a southpaw made a guy of his caliber much more difficult than the same caliber of guy would have been as an orthodox fighter, and he landed punches in all the early rounds, once again I have no idea what people are watching. He was landing with more regularity than Oscar De La Hoya or Ricky Hatton who are both way better than him.

Also I can see Floyd making Pacquiao look stupid in certain circumstances, but if great boxers like Barrera and Marquez can sustain a boxer's edge on the modern version of Pacman then I think Floyd wouldn't be able to with all the ease in the world. I prefer Floyd ten times to Manny, but obviously I am saying this would be competitive for a reason. People way too often think size is the determinant factor, I can look back and see half the people on here think Gatti would beat Floyd. People have a set belief about who should be where in the sport and they won't budge an inch. PS I also think Hatton's style is worse for Manny than Floyd's, but that Floyd is much better at his style than Hatton and a much better and more adaptable athlete than Ricky.

i get where you're coming from but the Oscar that fought Quartey didn't kill himself to make welter that does play a crucial role in the fight, he was in his prime, and he would of boxed Manny's ear's off, he wouldn't just simply try to rush in and throw pointless punches, the only thing he did against Manny, DLH managed to get Pacquiao on the ropes, but wasn't able to do anything when he did, if it were the prime young DLH who was active at welter he would have made Manny pay badly on the ropes, I agree that Pacquiao's will and his improved boxing ability will probably give Mayweather some probs for a couple rounds like Judah, but IMO he'll get figured out and easily beaten for a very clear UD or late stoppage, and back to the Larios fight, i had it 8 to 4, which is still a very clear win for Manny especially since Manny dropped him twice, but back to that, Larios hurt him, if Floyd connects with the hard accurate shots he's known for he can stop him, i don't see the same thing happening the other way around

I really don't know why boxing fans when a fighter beats another fighter out of their prime they say in their prime they'd have beat them.

Who is to say Oscar would have won if him and pacquiao fought prime for prime? Can't discredit Pacquiao's skills too. But I think it would have been an awesome fight to watch. But then again at 147 Oscar was a monster and Pacquiao isnt there naturally.

Whitaker prime for prime beats them both though

[ElTerribleMorales]

How can you measure how drained Oscar was? Manny never gave him the oppertunity to do anything. We don't know how the Oscar that fought Quartey would have done against Manny because Quartey isn't the same fighter Pacquiao is, Quartey fights like Winky Wright he's stationary, he has a great jab and left hook, but a poor right hand.

Also how did oyu ahve Oscar Larios winning four rounds against Manny? I can see that one roung that he hurt Manny, but most of hte rounds Manny clearly won.

I'm not saying I don't think Mayweather will win, but IMO he beats Cotto and Mosley a lot easier, they aren't as hungry as Manny, they aren't as fast, and they aren't southpaw.

I don't think Cotto and Mosley being real welterweights matters because fighting Mayweather is never about size, he knows how to handle bigger guys, and he doesn't impose himself physically on smaller guys.

I am not trying to say Corley was competitive with Mayweather, but that him being a southpaw made a guy of his caliber much more difficult than the same caliber of guy would have been as an orthodox fighter, and he landed punches in all the early rounds, once again I have no idea what people are watching. He was landing with more regularity than Oscar De La Hoya or Ricky Hatton who are both way better than him.

Also I can see Floyd making Pacquiao look stupid in certain circumstances, but if great boxers like Barrera and Marquez can sustain a boxer's edge on the modern version of Pacman then I think Floyd wouldn't be able to with all the ease in the world. I prefer Floyd ten times to Manny, but obviously I am saying this would be competitive for a reason. People way too often think size is the determinant factor, I can look back and see half the people on here think Gatti would beat Floyd. People have a set belief about who should be where in the sport and they won't budge an inch. PS I also think Hatton's style is worse for Manny than Floyd's, but that Floyd is much better at his style than Hatton and a much better and more adaptable athlete than Ricky.

i get where you're coming from but the Oscar that fought Quartey didn't kill himself to make welter that does play a crucial role in the fight, he was in his prime, and he would of boxed Manny's ear's off, he wouldn't just simply try to rush in and throw pointless punches, the only thing he did against Manny, DLH managed to get Pacquiao on the ropes, but wasn't able to do anything when he did, if it were the prime young DLH who was active at welter he would have made Manny pay badly on the ropes, I agree that Pacquiao's will and his improved boxing ability will probably give Mayweather some probs for a couple rounds like Judah, but IMO he'll get figured out and easily beaten for a very clear UD or late stoppage, and back to the Larios fight, i had it 8 to 4, which is still a very clear win for Manny especially since Manny dropped him twice, but back to that, Larios hurt him, if Floyd connects with the hard accurate shots he's known for he can stop him, i don't see the same thing happening the other way around

I really don't know why boxing fans when a fighter beats another fighter out of their prime they say in their prime they'd have beat them.

Who is to say Oscar would have won if him and pacquiao fought prime for prime? Can't discredit Pacquiao's skills too. But I think it would have been an awesome fight to watch. But then again at 147 Oscar was a monster and Pacquiao isnt there naturally.

Whitaker prime for prime beats them both though

that's the point i'm trying to make, and no doubt neither one of the two would have been able to touch Whitaker

[MIKAY]

Seriously I don't understand why people think Mayweather-Pacquaio would even be competitive. I don't see Pac even beating the Manchester fag Ricky Hatton

Takes one to know one doesnt it Vd, so you must be a fag too. Seriosly VD you need to grow up, the same goes for miles too, both of you are disgrace to this forum.

Full of hate and ignarance, you two must have been abused as children...

[Rocky Balboa]

Could PBF beat Pac? <----- is that even a question?

[Violent Demise]

How can you measure how drained Oscar was? Manny never gave him the oppertunity to do anything. We don't know how the Oscar that fought Quartey would have done against Manny because Quartey isn't the same fighter Pacquiao is, Quartey fights like Winky Wright he's stationary, he has a great jab and left hook, but a poor right hand.

Also how did oyu ahve Oscar Larios winning four rounds against Manny? I can see that one roung that he hurt Manny, but most of hte rounds Manny clearly won.

I'm not saying I don't think Mayweather will win, but IMO he beats Cotto and Mosley a lot easier, they aren't as hungry as Manny, they aren't as fast, and they aren't southpaw.

I don't think Cotto and Mosley being real welterweights matters because fighting Mayweather is never about size, he knows how to handle bigger guys, and he doesn't impose himself physically on smaller guys.

I am not trying to say Corley was competitive with Mayweather, but that him being a southpaw made a guy of his caliber much more difficult than the same caliber of guy would have been as an orthodox fighter, and he landed punches in all the early rounds, once again I have no idea what people are watching. He was landing with more regularity than Oscar De La Hoya or Ricky Hatton who are both way better than him.

Also I can see Floyd making Pacquiao look stupid in certain circumstances, but if great boxers like Barrera and Marquez can sustain a boxer's edge on the modern version of Pacman then I think Floyd wouldn't be able to with all the ease in the world. I prefer Floyd ten times to Manny, but obviously I am saying this would be competitive for a reason. People way too often think size is the determinant factor, I can look back and see half the people on here think Gatti would beat Floyd. People have a set belief about who should be where in the sport and they won't budge an inch. PS I also think Hatton's style is worse for Manny than Floyd's, but that Floyd is much better at his style than Hatton and a much better and more adaptable athlete than Ricky.

How about in the fact Pac's own trainer called De La Hoya a "walking corpse" who couldn't pull the trigger any more and was done. Seriously if you think about it how much credit can you really even give Pac for beating Oscar when his own trainer says the fight would of never happened if Oscar was still a threat?

[Taeth]

i get where you're coming from but the Oscar that fought Quartey didn't kill himself to make welter that does play a crucial role in the fight, he was in his prime, and he would of boxed Manny's ear's off, he wouldn't just simply try to rush in and throw pointless punches, the only thing he did against Manny, DLH managed to get Pacquiao on the ropes, but wasn't able to do anything when he did, if it were the prime young DLH who was active at welter he would have made Manny pay badly on the ropes, I agree that Pacquiao's will and his improved boxing ability will probably give Mayweather some probs for a couple rounds like Judah, but IMO he'll get figured out and easily beaten for a very clear UD or late stoppage, and back to the Larios fight, i had it 8 to 4, which is still a very clear win for Manny especially since Manny dropped him twice, but back to that, Larios hurt him, if Floyd connects with the hard accurate shots he's known for he can stop him, i don't see the same thing happening the other way around

I really don't know why boxing fans when a fighter beats another fighter out of their prime they say in their prime they'd have beat them.

Who is to say Oscar would have won if him and pacquiao fought prime for prime? Can't discredit Pacquiao's skills too. But I think it would have been an awesome fight to watch. But then again at 147 Oscar was a monster and Pacquiao isnt there naturally.

Whitaker prime for prime beats them both though

that's the point i'm trying to make, and no doubt neither one of the two would have been able to touch Whitaker

Once again how can you compare? We don't know how Whitaker would have done against guys faster than him like Floyd and Pacquiao. IMO I think Floyd is a better fighter than Whitaker, he's harder to hit, he's faster, he's got more a little more snap on his punches.

[Taeth]

How can you measure how drained Oscar was? Manny never gave him the oppertunity to do anything. We don't know how the Oscar that fought Quartey would have done against Manny because Quartey isn't the same fighter Pacquiao is, Quartey fights like Winky Wright he's stationary, he has a great jab and left hook, but a poor right hand.

Also how did oyu ahve Oscar Larios winning four rounds against Manny? I can see that one roung that he hurt Manny, but most of hte rounds Manny clearly won.

I'm not saying I don't think Mayweather will win, but IMO he beats Cotto and Mosley a lot easier, they aren't as hungry as Manny, they aren't as fast, and they aren't southpaw.

I don't think Cotto and Mosley being real welterweights matters because fighting Mayweather is never about size, he knows how to handle bigger guys, and he doesn't impose himself physically on smaller guys.

I am not trying to say Corley was competitive with Mayweather, but that him being a southpaw made a guy of his caliber much more difficult than the same caliber of guy would have been as an orthodox fighter, and he landed punches in all the early rounds, once again I have no idea what people are watching. He was landing with more regularity than Oscar De La Hoya or Ricky Hatton who are both way better than him.

Also I can see Floyd making Pacquiao look stupid in certain circumstances, but if great boxers like Barrera and Marquez can sustain a boxer's edge on the modern version of Pacman then I think Floyd wouldn't be able to with all the ease in the world. I prefer Floyd ten times to Manny, but obviously I am saying this would be competitive for a reason. People way too often think size is the determinant factor, I can look back and see half the people on here think Gatti would beat Floyd. People have a set belief about who should be where in the sport and they won't budge an inch. PS I also think Hatton's style is worse for Manny than Floyd's, but that Floyd is much better at his style than Hatton and a much better and more adaptable athlete than Ricky.

How about in the fact Pac's own trainer called De La Hoya a "walking corpse" who couldn't pull the trigger any more and was done. Seriously if you think about it how much credit can you really even give Pac for beating Oscar when his own trainer says the fight would of never happened if Oscar was still a threat?

Roach also said Oscar couldn't pull the trigger against Floyd, yet he was pretty competitive in that fight. I am not saying Oscar wasn't at his worst ever, I am just saying I disagree with people who say any average joe would have beaten Oscar that night. IMO the only guys naturally under 147 that would have beaten Oscar that night would have been Floyd and PAcquiao, and MAYBE Victor Ortiz, but we haven't seen enough of him.

[brucelee]

Seriously I don't understand why people think Mayweather-Pacquaio would even be competitive. I don't see Pac even beating the Manchester fag Ricky Hatton

yeah, you haven't predicted him to win against anybody. You have also predicted that DLH will murder Pac.

[ElTerribleMorales]

I really don't know why boxing fans when a fighter beats another fighter out of their prime they say in their prime they'd have beat them.

Who is to say Oscar would have won if him and pacquiao fought prime for prime? Can't discredit Pacquiao's skills too. But I think it would have been an awesome fight to watch. But then again at 147 Oscar was a monster and Pacquiao isnt there naturally.

Whitaker prime for prime beats them both though

that's the point i'm trying to make, and no doubt neither one of the two would have been able to touch Whitaker

Once again how can you compare? We don't know how Whitaker would have done against guys faster than him like Floyd and Pacquiao. IMO I think Floyd is a better fighter than Whitaker, he's harder to hit, he's faster, he's got more a little more snap on his punches.

disagree completely, Floyd is nowhere as elusive as Whitaker, and as for speed i'd also give the edge to Whitaker, i'd say that at 140 he was faster than both Mayweather and Pacquiao, and on the flipside, Pacquiao has NEVER fought a defensive marvel like Whitaker who at his peak would make Manny miss by dipping down or simply with his foot work, he'd flurry in and be out without getting tagged, and yea Whitaker had the stamina to go the full 12 rounds and then some, Pacquiao is no welterweight don't make the mistake of thinking he is one, IMO he has very little to no chance against the likes of Cotto, Mosley, Berto, Williams, Clottey, etc.

How can you measure how drained Oscar was? Manny never gave him the oppertunity to do anything. We don't know how the Oscar that fought Quartey would have done against Manny because Quartey isn't the same fighter Pacquiao is, Quartey fights like Winky Wright he's stationary, he has a great jab and left hook, but a poor right hand.

Also how did oyu ahve Oscar Larios winning four rounds against Manny? I can see that one roung that he hurt Manny, but most of hte rounds Manny clearly won.

I'm not saying I don't think Mayweather will win, but IMO he beats Cotto and Mosley a lot easier, they aren't as hungry as Manny, they aren't as fast, and they aren't southpaw.

I don't think Cotto and Mosley being real welterweights matters because fighting Mayweather is never about size, he knows how to handle bigger guys, and he doesn't impose himself physically on smaller guys.

I am not trying to say Corley was competitive with Mayweather, but that him being a southpaw made a guy of his caliber much more difficult than the same caliber of guy would have been as an orthodox fighter, and he landed punches in all the early rounds, once again I have no idea what people are watching. He was landing with more regularity than Oscar De La Hoya or Ricky Hatton who are both way better than him.

Also I can see Floyd making Pacquiao look stupid in certain circumstances, but if great boxers like Barrera and Marquez can sustain a boxer's edge on the modern version of Pacman then I think Floyd wouldn't be able to with all the ease in the world. I prefer Floyd ten times to Manny, but obviously I am saying this would be competitive for a reason. People way too often think size is the determinant factor, I can look back and see half the people on here think Gatti would beat Floyd. People have a set belief about who should be where in the sport and they won't budge an inch. PS I also think Hatton's style is worse for Manny than Floyd's, but that Floyd is much better at his style than Hatton and a much better and more adaptable athlete than Ricky.

How about in the fact Pac's own trainer called De La Hoya a "walking corpse" who couldn't pull the trigger any more and was done. Seriously if you think about it how much credit can you really even give Pac for beating Oscar when his own trainer says the fight would of never happened if Oscar was still a threat?

Roach also said Oscar couldn't pull the trigger against Floyd, yet he was pretty competitive in that fight. I am not saying Oscar wasn't at his worst ever, I am just saying I disagree with people who say any average joe would have beaten Oscar that night. IMO the only guys naturally under 147 that would have beaten Oscar that night would have been Floyd and PAcquiao, and MAYBE Victor Ortiz, but we haven't seen enough of him.

Roach said this after the fight had happened, and competitive, at least i thought it was competitive but you're the one that's always saying that Oscar should have lost by at LEAST 4 rounds, IMO that's not a close or competitive fight, i like many others had floyd winning 115-113, it's no double standard

[JonnyFolds]

I tend to agree, at 147 Pac would be a bit of a sitting duck, minus the "sitting". Still, if it took PBF 6 full rounds to trounce a slow and utterly outclassed Arturo Gatti, I can't see Pac faring any worse against Floyd. Therefore it would be at worst a UD for Floyd, I can't see any KO there, what about you?

That has to be the worst comparison I have ever heard in my entire life! What does one thing have to do with another?

Lamotta beats SRL b/c Tommy Hearns was beat by Iran Barkley twice, and Margarito cheated!
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Johnnyfolds--

Glad to have earned a notch on your "Worst Comparisons I Ever Heard" list!