Now that De La Hoya has retired, what should his record have actually been??

[smashup]

Sturm and Floyd won in my eyes and the Quartey fight too close bot i think Oscar snatched it with that amazing 12th round onslaught.

To be honest i don't really care about a fighters stats too much and it's the way they entertain me that i remember most and Oscar was brilliant at entertaining 9 times out of 10 - and put everything into his fights

[BIG H]

To be honest i don't really care about a fighters stats too much and it's the way they entertain me that i remember most and Oscar was brilliant at entertaining 9 times out of 10 - and put everything into his fights

Yeh I agree. The thing I liked about DLH is that he never ducked anybody. He fought everybody there was to fight, Quartey, Vargas and Trinidad would all have been avoided by many and stepping up to fight Hopkins was stupid very brave

[Taeth]

Floyd by a couple of rounds... bleh He won by way more htan that.

[THE THIRD MAN]

He beat Trinidad, i had it 117-110 an amazing decision considering it was one of DLH's best performances, yes he lost the last 3 rounds but he wasn't going to knock Trinidad out so why take the risk, he didn't count on incompetent judges.

He also beat Mosley in the second fight, amazingly judges give this to Mosley as a UD when again DLH fought a great fight and i think won a hard fought decision. I had that one 115-113 for DLH .The first fight was a MD for Mosley, a fight Mosley clearly won...go figure?
He beat Whitaker and Quartey in close decisions that went his way but he deserved the wins.
He was lucky to get the Sturm win
He lost the others to PBF, both Hopkins and Pacman stopped him.
My only beef with Oscar is he didn't fight Tszyu in 1996 or early 97, choosing instead to move up to 147lb to fight Whitaker in April of that year.

[leftylee]

He beat Trinidad, i had it 117-110 an amazing decision considering it was one of DLH's best performances, yes he lost the last 3 rounds but he wasn't going to knock Trinidad out so why take the risk, he didn't count on incompetent judges.

He also beat Mosley in the second fight, amazingly judges give this to Mosley as a UD when again DLH fought a great fight and i think won a hard fought decision. I had that one 115-113 for DLH .The first fight was a MD for Mosley, a fight Mosley clearly won...go figure?
He beat Whitaker and Quartey in close decisions that went his way but he deserved the wins.
He was lucky to get the Sturm win
He lost the others to PBF, both Hopkins and Pacman stopped him.
My only beef with Oscar is he didn't fight Tszyu in 1996 or early 97, choosing instead to move up to 147lb to fight Whitaker in April of that year.

He didn't fight Tszyu because Tszyu got knocked out by Vince Phillips. If Tszyu would have won that then the ODLH fight would have happened. The sole reason Kosta Tszyu went to America was for Oscar De La Hoya.

[Mr140]

Well i grew up watching him and even with his loses he has wins over so many champs or former champs he still should be rated high. I mean there are only a few to win titles in that many divsion the only other fighter i know of that has is Tommy Hearns so not to many on that list. The only fighter i thought to beat him clearly in his prime was Mosley. The fighters i watch growing up were Mosley, Dela Hoya, and Holyfeild and there time is running out and for Dela Hoya well his done and thank him for the fights.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Mosley II-i had DLH winning by at LEAST 2 points
Sturm- it could have been a draw, but i'd say if i had to give it to anyone it'd be 115-113 Sturm
Whitaker-same as above but the opposite i had it 115-113 DLH
Quartey-he pulled the win out of his hat with the final round
Trinidad-I had DLH winning 8 of the first 9 rounds, utter robbery
Mayweather-i had PBF winning 115-113

so honestly his record should be more like
41 wins 5 losses (Mosley I, Sturm, B-Hop, PBF, Pacquiao)

[Killa From Manila]

DLH deserved all of his losses. He lost against Sturm too imo.

[denilson200]

I agree with OP. I think he beat Trinidad, but he ran away in the final few rounds and he will take that fact to the grave. It was fight he should have won. Against Quartey, very close, maybe a draw. Whittaker ? I thought he won that, against PBF I thought that was a fight he lost clearly. Mosley 2 was a disgrace but all in all, did DLH ever beat a great fighter in his prime ? He beat some VERY good ones..but a great one ? I'm not so sure.

[VictorCharlie]

I had the Pernell fight a draw
Thought he beat Quartey, Tito and Mosely in the their second fight
Thought he lost to Sturm and PBF.
If you say he wins the rubber match with Mosely and never fights Bhop after losing to Sturm had it played out my way he goes
40-4-1...I also think his legacy is less debatable. Has a draw against an ATG early in his carrer. Loses 1 of 3 to a great fighter in Mosely. Loses a close decision to a bigger fighter in Sturm and two PFP kings late in his carrer. I have always like the guy and the crappy decisions both for and against him will always be a thorn in my side.

[CFH]

I still do not understand how anyone thinks the PBF fight was even close...

[THE THIRD MAN]

He beat Trinidad, i had it 117-110 an amazing decision considering it was one of DLH's best performances, yes he lost the last 3 rounds but he wasn't going to knock Trinidad out so why take the risk, he didn't count on incompetent judges.

He also beat Mosley in the second fight, amazingly judges give this to Mosley as a UD when again DLH fought a great fight and i think won a hard fought decision. I had that one 115-113 for DLH .The first fight was a MD for Mosley, a fight Mosley clearly won...go figure?
He beat Whitaker and Quartey in close decisions that went his way but he deserved the wins.
He was lucky to get the Sturm win
He lost the others to PBF, both Hopkins and Pacman stopped him.
My only beef with Oscar is he didn't fight Tszyu in 1996 or early 97, choosing instead to move up to 147lb to fight Whitaker in April of that year.

He didn't fight Tszyu because Tszyu got knocked out by Vince Phillips. If Tszyu would have won that then the ODLH fight would have happened. The sole reason Kosta Tszyu went to America was for Oscar De La Hoya.

Once again i have to point out the inaccuracies of this statement. The Whitaker fight was fought one month before Tszyu fought Phillips! Oscar was never going back to 140lb again to fight Tszyu, i don't believe he ever wanted to fight Tszyu at all. He had all of 1996 to fight Tszyu and there was no chance of Whitaker ever knocking him out. I would have done the same thing, Whitaker was the marquee name and was the drawcard, why risk everything against a guy who could embarrassley KO him and ruin the golden path to fame and fortune that Oscar ultimately achieved.

[Mr140]

i dont get you master you say Oscar not great but he has more quality wins the chavez does and he considered great. Oscar has wins over Jimmi Bredahl,Jorge Paez,John John Molina,Carl Griffith,Genaro Hernandez,Jesse James Leija,Julio Cesar Chavez,Miguel Angel Gonzalez,Pernell Whitaker,Hector Camacho,Ike Quartey,Arturo Gatti,Fernando Vargas,Felix Sturm,Ricardo Mayorga, and Steve Forbes now not all those names are greats but everyone of them is a champ or held one of big belts. I mean even with his losses he has won titles in sfw,lw,lww,ww,lmw and mm. Not to mention with his competion he has been his title fight record is 25-5 which is not bad what so ever he is atg even with his loses.

[ElTerribleMorales]

He beat Trinidad, i had it 117-110 an amazing decision considering it was one of DLH's best performances, yes he lost the last 3 rounds but he wasn't going to knock Trinidad out so why take the risk, he didn't count on incompetent judges.

He also beat Mosley in the second fight, amazingly judges give this to Mosley as a UD when again DLH fought a great fight and i think won a hard fought decision. I had that one 115-113 for DLH .The first fight was a MD for Mosley, a fight Mosley clearly won...go figure?
He beat Whitaker and Quartey in close decisions that went his way but he deserved the wins.
He was lucky to get the Sturm win
He lost the others to PBF, both Hopkins and Pacman stopped him.
My only beef with Oscar is he didn't fight Tszyu in 1996 or early 97, choosing instead to move up to 147lb to fight Whitaker in April of that year.

He didn't fight Tszyu because Tszyu got knocked out by Vince Phillips. If Tszyu would have won that then the ODLH fight would have happened. The sole reason Kosta Tszyu went to America was for Oscar De La Hoya.

Once again i have to point out the inaccuracies of this statement. The Whitaker fight was fought one month before Tszyu fought Phillips! Oscar was never going back to 140lb again to fight Tszyu, i don't believe he ever wanted to fight Tszyu at all. He had all of 1996 to fight Tszyu and there was no chance of Whitaker ever knocking him out. I would have done the same thing, Whitaker was the marquee name and was the drawcard, why risk everything against a guy who could embarrassley KO him and ruin the golden path to fame and fortune that Oscar ultimately achieved.

in DLH's defense, when Oscar was at 140 Tszyu wasn't the big name he ended up being, Kostya got the huge fame AFTER he KO'd Judah, and i doubt very much Tszyu would have been able to hurt DLH, he had a great chin and was getting close to his peak, if anything DLH could of been the one doing what Phillips did to him

[SweetPea]

My only beef with Oscar is he didn't fight Tszyu in 1996 or early 97, choosing instead to move up to 147lb to fight Whitaker in April of that year.

Can't criticize him for that. Whitaker was a legend on his way to the HOF and was still considered the best fighter in the world PFP by a lot of people. Taking him on at 147 was a FAR bigger challenge than fighting Tszyu.

That's not a knock on Tszyu, but he was no Whitaker.