Now that De La Hoya has retired, what should his record have actually been??

[VictorCharlie]

I had the Pernell fight a draw
Thought he beat Quartey, Tito and Mosely in the their second fight
Thought he lost to Sturm and PBF.
If you say he wins the rubber match with Mosely and never fights Bhop after losing to Sturm had it played out my way he goes
40-4-1...I also think his legacy is less debatable. Has a draw against an ATG early in his carrer. Loses 1 of 3 to a great fighter in Mosely. Loses a close decision to a bigger fighter in Sturm and two PFP kings late in his carrer. I have always like the guy and the crappy decisions both for and against him will always be a thorn in my side.

[CFH]

I still do not understand how anyone thinks the PBF fight was even close...

[VictorCharlie]

I think I had it 5 rounds to 2 for ODH at the 7th. Then he stopped jabbing and obviously was tired and I didn't give him another round

[ElTerribleMorales]

I think I had it 5 rounds to 2 for ODH at the 7th. Then he stopped jabbing and obviously was tired and I didn't give him another round

so 115-113 for PBF? same score, only thing is i gave DLH the last round IMO he pulled it out. the round i mean not the fight

[Taeth]

I think I had it 5 rounds to 2 for ODH at the 7th. Then he stopped jabbing and obviously was tired and I didn't give him another round

5 rounds to 2 for Oscar? Please explain what rounds Oscar won...

[ElTerribleMorales]

that's the point i'm trying to make, and no doubt neither one of the two would have been able to touch Whitaker

Once again how can you compare? We don't know how Whitaker would have done against guys faster than him like Floyd and Pacquiao. IMO I think Floyd is a better fighter than Whitaker, he's harder to hit, he's faster, he's got more a little more snap on his punches.

disagree completely, Floyd is nowhere as elusive as Whitaker, and as for speed i'd also give the edge to Whitaker, i'd say that at 140 he was faster than both Mayweather and Pacquiao, and on the flipside, Pacquiao has NEVER fought a defensive marvel like Whitaker who at his peak would make Manny miss by dipping down or simply with his foot work, he'd flurry in and be out without getting tagged, and yea Whitaker had the stamina to go the full 12 rounds and then some, Pacquiao is no welterweight don't make the mistake of thinking he is one, IMO he has very little to no chance against the likes of Cotto, Mosley, Berto, Williams, Clottey, etc.

How about in the fact Pac's own trainer called De La Hoya a "walking corpse" who couldn't pull the trigger any more and was done. Seriously if you think about it how much credit can you really even give Pac for beating Oscar when his own trainer says the fight would of never happened if Oscar was still a threat?

Roach also said Oscar couldn't pull the trigger against Floyd, yet he was pretty competitive in that fight. I am not saying Oscar wasn't at his worst ever, I am just saying I disagree with people who say any average joe would have beaten Oscar that night. IMO the only guys naturally under 147 that would have beaten Oscar that night would have been Floyd and PAcquiao, and MAYBE Victor Ortiz, but we haven't seen enough of him.

Roach said this after the fight had happened, and competitive, at least i thought it was competitive but you're the one that's always saying that Oscar should have lost by at LEAST 4 rounds, IMO that's not a close or competitive fight, i like many others had floyd winning 115-113, it's no double standard

this is from the other thread

I think I had it 5 rounds to 2 for ODH at the 7th. Then he stopped jabbing and obviously was tired and I didn't give him another round

5 rounds to 2 for Oscar? Please explain what rounds Oscar won...

thanks for proving my point

[Taeth]

Off the top of my head
1-Mayweather lands a big right hand early, and outjabs Oscar hte rest of the round
2- OScar gets off his jab, lands a few right hands, and wins the round
3- Mayweather gets hit by a stiff jab early, Oscar throws a few useless flurries with FLoyd on the rope then for most of the round Mayweather stays on the outside and potshots. Clearly a Mayweather round, he landed more, better ring generalship and defense.
4- Oscar he lands a nice combo with Mayweather on the ropes early, then Oscar gets Mayweather once again on the ropes and attempts like 10 left hooks to the body in a row. Mayweather comes back in the last minute and lands some nice punches. I could see this going either way or 10-10, but I'll give it to Oscar.
5- Mayweather counters great in this round and lands a lot of punches IMO its an easy round to give to him. He even stuns OScar with two counter right hands off the ropes.
6- Mayweather landed more, I know Oscar had good defense in parts, landed a few big punches, but Mayweather landed more clean punches.

[OumaFan]

I thought Oscar lost all of them except for Trinidad. And BigH I'm almost certain most of the ringside press had it for Mosley in the second fight, that was what was odd since most TV viewers had Oscar winning.

Edit: Mosley-De La Hoya II: Same Result; More Controversy

"In a poll of 28 sportswriters at ringside, 16 scored it for Mosley, eight for De La Hoya and four had it as a draw."

[VictorCharlie]

I think I had it 5 rounds to 2 for ODH at the 7th. Then he stopped jabbing and obviously was tired and I didn't give him another round

5 rounds to 2 for Oscar? Please explain what rounds Oscar won...

1,2,4,6,7...shit I don't remember. I watched it from Bagram Air Force Base and for me that was eons ago.