*Discussion: Carl Froch - Jermain Taylor 25/4*

[Tam Seddon]

With just over a week to go to this fight I think we need an offical poll and really sort out who we think is going to win the fight. We should also post all of the important infomation into this thread so we can keep a good progress on how the fight is going to go.

Firstly, how this fight isnt on UK tele is an absoulte joke. This fight has potential fight of the year written all over it and with both fighters having a lot to prove I dont understand all of this TV BS. It's a great shame that the fight isnt going to be aired for us and we will have to watch a stream, but there is no point moaning I think we just have to get on with it.

For the fight itself, this is going to be a cracker! Two of the finest 168 fighters putting it all on the line to prove whos the best. For Carls first defence I give him great respect travelling to the USA to fight one of the top fighters. Not a lot of fighters would do that on their first defence especailly against such a dangerous fighter in Jermain Taylor.


The fight :

Carl Froch: 24 (19 kos) - 0

For Carl Froch this will truelly be a great test which will show if he really does have what it takes to hang with the best at 168. This fight will be Carl's toughest test to do and he knows that, I feel this fight will be a lot harder than the Pascal test but Carl has the capbilites to do it IMO. With Carl being a natural 168 fighter, I know that hes not going to take a backwards step on the fight. Pressure fighting is what hes good at, I persoanlly think Jermain Taylor doesnt like fighters who dont stop moving.

For Carl to win this fight, he has to fight every round with a high punch tempo and work Taylor down. Carl Froch has some hurtful punches and with a sustained attack I believe that his power levels will be too much for Taylor. From what I have seen from Taylor in his last performances is that he does get sloppy at times, when he is in his game his is a deadly fighter but I dont see him doing it for the full 12 rounds.

A problem which Carl does have is his defence and he does need to adress this problem. If he gets hit with silly punches all night I am the first one to admit that he will lose a UD if Taylor boxes. But I dont think it's Jermain Taylors nature to simply try and outbox a fighter for 12 rounds because he knows that he doesnt have the stamina to do it. Taylors best rounds will be early and if Carl can get through them I believe that Carl can stop him late. If Taylor tries to toe on toe fight With Carl I think Carl will stop him. With Carl being such a strong 168 fighter I believe he packs more of a punch that Pavlik and we will see a similar fight to JT-Pavlik 1.

Jermain Taylor: 28 (17 kos) - 2 - 1

Jermain Taylor I believe does have the capabilites to beat Carl Froch in this fight and I will not deny that fact. He has great strengths in a very fast boxing style rugged with power which does cause a lot of fighters problems. Prior to his two losses to Pavlik, I believe we were seeing a declining fighter in Taylor who did have a lot of trouble with Wright, Ouma and Spinks. Although those fighters are all genuine quality fighters I believe with a man who beat the legend Hopkins twice we should have seen a lot more. After a stronger performance against Jeff Lacy I did see an improved fighter, a lot more confident. Lets bear in mind though that Jeff Lacy is ruined though and Carl Froch would smash him everywhere.

Now Taylor has a very tough test in Carl Froch where we are going to see if Jermain really does have what it takes to again be a top leveled fighter. After his two losses to Pavlik I do admit going up to 168 was a good move. Stamina issues have been adressed and this is where he lost the fight to Pavlik IMO. With him not having enough in the tank, his punch resistance wasnt as strong and he was being hurt by punches. If this issue does continue at 168 I believe hes going to find problems at this weight class with so many stronger fighters than at 160 can he take that much power applied with pressure? I think fighting Carl Froch was the best fight Taylor could have taken in my opinion because it can be complete success or back to square one again.

If the move to 168 has improved his stamina in line with his natural stength with him not being as pressured to fight to a weight I believe we can have a great champion in Jermain Taylor. Im really curious to see how much the losses to Pavlik have hurt the confidence of the former champion because they are two big losses to get over.

If Taylor can box Carl Froch for 12 solid rounds without feeling the pressures of Carl Froch he can win a solid UD here. But I dont see him doing this for 12 rounds. As I said before it's not in Taylors nature to put on a display of boxing IMO for 12 rounds. Hes shown in recent performances that he wants to engage fully and this is where I think he will lose the fight.

With his speed, he has to use it effectively enough to not be pressured enough, but one of Carl Frochs most underratted assets is his footwork with forwards and backwards fighting. Taylor will have to put on one of the best perfomances of his career in this fight to put his name back on the shelf as the best and he does have the capability to do it.








My personal take on the fight is that carl will be too much for Taylor and stop him late. It will be a very very very enjoyable fight but Im backing Carl Froch to prove that he is the best fighter at 168 and set up a cracker with Mikkel Kessler late 09. Im interested to hear your views on the fight and please post them. I will post as many links as I can find for the fight and I am so excited for it to happen.


COME ON FROCHY MY BOY LETS DO HIM SON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Otley]

enough respect for Carl going over to the lions den......I think Carl will make a statement and I do believe Taylor is made for him. I see Carl having too much of every thing and stopping Taylor in 9 rounds.

Job Biscuit (Fair play to both)!!!



eh eh!!

[BIG H]

Do you know what, I have absolutely no idea how this fight is going to go - I really have no clue or opinion

[BIG H]

P.S - Nice work on the thread Tam

[killersheep]

I think Taylor's turn and jab is going to make a long night for the Cobra, and a wide one on the cards in Taylors favor.

[OumaFan]

Taylor, I want to say he handles him with ease but Taylor doesn't do that to anybody. I guess the closest thing would be Lacy but obviously Lacy's just gone off the deep end.

[The Fightfan]

I'll take Taylor by KO

[Kirkland Laing]

Taylor UD, but I'll be cheering for Froch on the night.

Unless it's obvious he's out of his depth after a couple of rounds, in which case I'll be laughing at him.

[Big Dick Whittington]

Cobra shall go forth and vanquish all before him .
Taylor is a a chapter in the tale of the greatest british fighter ever to leave these shores and fly the flag of the mighty St George .

[WelshDevilRob]

Froch vs Taylor - I find it hard to visualise how this one will pan out. Taylor is certainly going to use that excellent jab and Froch has to either compete with it or make it ineffective - has Carl the work rate to do that? Will Froch just try to turn the fight into a War? Taylor isn't much of a puncher, so I can't see him hurting Froch but I can see him outboxing Carl - if Carl doesn't impose himself.

I'll be cheering on Carl and I think he can win and it would be a superb achievement.

[littlebif]

If this is a good fight which i think it will be,was wondering what are the chances of itv getting the fight 1/2 days later they have done it before.

[Kev]

I think its going to be a great fight. I expect Taylor to win the early rounds maybe catching Froch with some real eye catching shots in the process.

Froch is tough though and if he can get to Taylor in the middle rounds I believe he can break his heart and force to him to quit, not by literally throwing in the towel but rather through forcing him into his shell and effectively have him covering up looking to survive down the stretch.

It really could go either way though. Taylor has struggled to beat virtually everyone I've ever seen him in with post Hopkins, he always makes a meal of it. Lacy was probably his easiest win.

But Froch often tends to be the same. Against domestic level opposition like Brian Magee he was being outboxed at times, a shot Robin Reid caught him flush several times and I can remember him looking absolutely awful in times past against for example Matthew Barney and Dale Westerman.

Both fighters will need to be on their top form to win.

I hope Froch does it, he's an exciting fighter watch and Taylor has had his chances.

I don't feel that Taylor has the heart of a true champion. He basically settled for a points loss to Kelly Pavlik in their rematch, he plodded around cluelessly against Cory Spinks, he couldn't even step it up to get the much smaller Kasim Ouma out of there.

I think, and hope that Carl blows him away and ends the Taylor era. Pavlik and Williams can fly the flag for the Americans at middleweight and Taylor can look to sideshow fights with Roy Jones Jr, Edison Miranda and maybe being a gatekeeper for Andre's Ward and Dirrell.

[skel1983]

I'll take Taylor by KO

Taylor knocking Froch out in 8?? Please how?? Taylor hasnt stopped anyone in 4 years including blown up Light Middleweights, if there is a stoppage its the Cobra but i think Taylor wil fight a clever fight and win a clear ud.

[Clanger]

It'll be Froch by brutal knockout around the 10th or it will be a felix sturm-type robbery.

[leftylee]

The safe money bet is Taylor UD due to his better boxing skills, jab and Carl's leaky defense. But the more I think about this fight the more I favour Froch to pull off an upset. Froch is determined, confident and Taylor has never faced anyone as big as Froch, who is a massive super middleweight. Froch has underrated power as well. I'm gonna go with Froch.