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Re: And used to think L Holmes was a jerk BEFORE this week
....being able to take punches while leaning back all the way to India, hold behind the head, and flurrying from time to time doesn't (to me) constitute his best performance. It was a HUGE win but huge performance....no way! The wins over Liston, Williams, and Frazier in the rematch and the 'Thrilla' were better IMO.Originally Posted by Master
Larry Holmes is also a victim of not having any great rivals
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Re: And used to think L Holmes was a jerk BEFORE this week
It was a huge win and performance, to say otherwise is just strange.....being able to take punches while leaning back all the way to India, hold behind the head, and flurrying from time to time doesn't (to me) constitute his best performance. It was a HUGE win but huge performance....no way! The wins over Liston, Williams, and Frazier in the rematch and the 'Thrilla' were better IMO.
Larry Holmes is also a victim of not having any great rivals
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Re: And used to think L Holmes was a jerk BEFORE this week
I just wasn't impressed with it....sure Ali countered sharply and everything but he was still allowed to hold Foreman on the back of the head AND Foreman fought a dumb fight, that is as plain as day....whereas Liston and Williams were at Ali's mercy and he just demolished them with speed and skill.
Foreman's win over Frazier is still the most spectacular fight of that era IMO.....to rain down bombs like that on a guy who was undefeated and just beat the previously undefeated Ali still boggles my mind.
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Re: And used to think L Holmes was a jerk BEFORE this week
Which is why Ali's victory was even more impressive because he had lost a couple of fights, was nearing the end of his career and was fighting the most powerful heavyweight ever.
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Re: And used to think L Holmes was a jerk BEFORE this week
What makes boxing great is that it's more than just about jabs and hooks. There's a huge mental aspect to the sport, that many fans ignore. Yeah, Ali held Foreman in the back of the head. And yeah, Foreman fought a dumb fight. But Foreman was a feared monster who had intimidated, then destroyed every fighter he ever met. He annihilated the great Joe Frazier in 2 (3?) short rounds (don't remember off hand). Whereas Ali was, as Master said, near the end of his career. His strategy was brilliant, the setting exotic (Zaire), the outcome unthinkable. And Ali didn't win a controversial decision. He knocked Big George OUT. So Lyle, give the man his due on this one, huh?Which is why Ali's victory was even more impressive because he had lost a couple of fights, was nearing the end of his career and was fighting the most powerful heavyweight ever.
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Ali's win over Foreman was impressive but I just don't think it was his best or his flashiest.
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Re: And used to think L Holmes was a jerk BEFORE this week
Neither was B-Hop's over Pavlik, but the fact that in both fights, the old man who wasn't given a shot in hell to win, came out and schooled the younger undefeated power puncher, it makes it that much more impressive
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