P4P King?

[CutMeMick]

Thing is though if you insist on putting Marquez (or Hopkins after the Taylor defeats) at number 1 then you have to remove yourself from boxing reality.

Just because you personally thought a fight went the other way doesn't mean that the result is open to interperation. It's not, the result of a fight is final, its in the books and that's that whether you were happy with the decision or not.

Which is why the first words in my post were;
"P4P lists are like assholes, everyones got one"
What is reality in boxing? I see reality in boxing through my own judgement. I will take a page here and there but not in it's entirety.

To follow your own logic Juan Manuel Marquez isn't even a world champion at lightweight (unless you count a vacant wbo strap) as Casamayor was clearly not the linear champ Armando Santo Cruz was.

OK, that's logical and reasonable.
However at no point did I mention him being a world champion.
My comment was;
"I feel that his reign as a Lightweight is much more impressive then fighting David Diaz and ODLH."

Along with having him beating Pac it puts him as #1 in my books.

Edwin Valero is the true linear lightweight world champion as Pitalua took the crown from Santa Cruz and Valero destroyed Pitalua.

Here's where the "Reality" part of boxing get's hazy.
Santa Cruz vs. Pitalua was for the WBC strap.
Would Pitalua have been rated #1,2 or the next top rated available Lightweight by the Ring then yes you would be correct but he wasn't.
So the lineage was lost somewhere along the lines.

Hope this clears everything up.

Actually I hope I've brought the reality part of boxing to light here.

[CutMeMick]

Taeth I'm looking for my scorecard so don't think I'm ignoring you...