Pavlik v Froch... Who wins?

[RozzySean]

Whoever lands the first powershot that the other guy doesn't see coming. I have no doubt that Froch can spark Pavlik, but I'm also sure Pavlik can spark Froch. Both men are great finishers. Not that Pavlik has great defense, but it's better than Froch's. Froch is the bigger man. It's pretty much a pickem.

Is froch really the bigger man? Pavlik is definitely taller, and has the reach advantage.. Are we talking bigger as in who has the broader shoulders? lol.. I'd say if anything they are pretty even, if not Kelly being bigger.. Froch is just way more ripped.. As far as power goes, no doubt in my mind that Kelly can bang at 168.. he was a KO machine at 160.

I thought Froch looked like the much bigger man against Taylor. Pavlik looked taller and longer than Taylor, but he didn't look like the much bigger man. I believe Kelly is taller, but I think the reach is about the same. I feel like Froch is a little thicker. He's not bigger my much.

If I were Froch's team I would keep him out of the ring with Pavlik unless the money is off the charts good. I don't think it would be. I don't see that as a PPV card. It's just a really good, very desirable HBO Championship Boxing card. If Ward beats Miranda, Froch will probably fight Ward next, maybe Allen Green. If he can't pull of Bute, those are pretty good options.

[Mr140]

Well have to go with Pavlik think he is a better version of Froch. Chins in my book are the same on both to me but i would have to give advantge to Kelly in Power and better def i mean he was picking alot of Taylor shot off. Some people are going to say why i would think Pavlik hits harder well look at the ko differents in there fights i mean Pavlik just knocks the guys out cold and sure he did not do it in the rematch wit Taylor but i thought he won that fight pretty solid and hell Taylor might beat Froch in a rematch. Pretty much comes down to i think that Pavlik while land first and also i that if Pavlik can pick off Taylors shots then he can pick off Froches shots as well.

[JazMerkin]

Whichever one of them decides to go out and get a good trainer who can teach them how to use their feet properly will win the fight. I think that would more likely be Pavlik because Arum is keen to get Loew out of the way.

[AdamGB]

Whichever one of them decides to go out and get a good trainer who can teach them how to use their feet properly will win the fight. I think that would more likely be Pavlik because Arum is keen to get Loew out of the way.

Good post, Froch has got all of the physical attributes to be the man at SMW but if he wants to maintain his success/have any type of longevity at this level he needs someone who can tighten his style up and give him a bit more ring generalship.

[Kirkland Laing]

I don't know how well Pavlik would do at 168, I don't think he's the same fighter above 160. It'd be a hell of a fight though and another close one.

[jamiebhoy]

I would probably go with Pavlick on this one as he doesn't seem to blow out later as a fight progresses. BHOP was all wriong style wise for him and as a result he looked terrible . Him and Froch would be more of a slugfest and I would have Pavlick edging it. I would expect a couple of knock downs on the way too.
Froch showed what he was made of coming back the way he did and has gained more repect from some , myself included.

Someone mentioned the physical size of Froch and yes he does look much bigger, Pavlick doesn't look much but musculature doesn't always amount to being stronger, as for JT calf muscles it's well known that black athletes do not generally have good calves, look at Tysons and his small ankles !!

[Deanrw]

It is an interesting fight. My fist question would be how Kelly could handle the weight. In both his fights above 160, he seemed out of sorts and did not seem to have the confidence he enjoys at 160. That could be just a coincidence though as Hopkins was brilliant that night and Taylor 2 seemed determined to stay out of harms way.

If Pavlik came in strong and confident, Froch would have to walk through Pavlik's straight shots to land his looping ones. Could Froch withstand it? Hard to say but from what I have seen, guys that Pavlik can hit pretty much always go down.

[Pugilistic]

It's a close fight but i give the edge to Pavlik.

Neither guy is a defense wizard but at least Pavlik tries to block punches.

Froch can't go walking through punchers like Pavlik.

[Tysonbruno]

I would probably go with Pavlick on this one as he doesn't seem to blow out later as a fight progresses. BHOP was all wriong style wise for him and as a result he looked terrible . Him and Froch would be more of a slugfest and I would have Pavlick edging it. I would expect a couple of knock downs on the way too.
Froch showed what he was made of coming back the way he did and has gained more repect from some , myself included.

Someone mentioned the physical size of Froch and yes he does look much bigger, Pavlick doesn't look much but musculature doesn't always amount to being stronger, as for JT calf muscles it's well known that black athletes do not generally have good calves, look at Tysons and his small ankles !!

Tyson had 28-30inch thighs and 18inch calves thats not small

[RP33]

I would probably go with Pavlick on this one as he doesn't seem to blow out later as a fight progresses. BHOP was all wriong style wise for him and as a result he looked terrible . Him and Froch would be more of a slugfest and I would have Pavlick edging it. I would expect a couple of knock downs on the way too.
Froch showed what he was made of coming back the way he did and has gained more repect from some , myself included.

Someone mentioned the physical size of Froch and yes he does look much bigger, Pavlick doesn't look much but musculature doesn't always amount to being stronger, as for JT calf muscles it's well known that black athletes do not generally have good calves, look at Tysons and his small ankles !!

That's what i meant, as far as the bold line goes..

Just because Froch is ripped to shreds and Kelly looks like he doesn't have any muscle on him doesn't mean much.. To say Froch is the "bigger guy" could mean a lot of things.. To say he is the "bigger puncher" i do not agree with.. They both hit very hard, and i couldn't pick who has more power.. But what i do know is that Kelly is good at blocking punches, where Froch keeps his front hand very low, and even though Pavlik is slow, he goes to the body and mixes it up enough to catch Froch often with his big straight right.. I would love to see this fight..

This idea could have it's own thread, but i think time and time again we forget that power and determination alone cannot win fights on a constant basis.. Pavlik was just shown this.. When you have a champ of Pavlik/Froch's style, there is no secret on how to beat them, or what style of fighter can beat them.. Froch is tailor made for Calzaghe, in the same respect that Pavlik was tailor made for Hopkins.. A slower puncher who walks forward, versus VERY sound technical fighters..

This is why i would favor Kessler over Froch.. Kessler plays hit and not get hit, where Pavlik doesn't mind taking a shot if he's trying to land a bomb.. Would be a hell of a scrap..