Carl Froch Is Not That Good.

[Kev]

I don't mean to imply that he's as tough as Ward or that he fights in the style. Ward was a a guy who could be losing almost every round, then bang, land his punch and either turn the fight around or win it with a KO.

But now that I think about it, Ward destroyed guys even in losses or close wins. Several fights were never the same after enduring Wards body shots. Froch isn't that punishing.

So now Froch isn't even as good as Mickey Ward?

How many world titles did Ward win again? How many former undisputed world champs and p4p stars did he beat?

Dude, you are so touchy. I didn't say Froch wasn't as good as Ward, I said he's not as punishing. And he's not. And as far has saying that Froch is closer to Ward than Calzaghe, let me break it down simply. Lets say the Joe Calzaghe gets an A+ grade as a fighter. Micky Ward gets a B grade as a fighter. Froch is a B+, not an A-. Kessler is an A-. There's a bigger gap between guys like Roy Jones, Calzaghe, James Toney, and Floyd Mayweather and Froch than there is between Froch and Ward.

Ward was one of the TOUGHEST fighters ever. Also, he had a style and a skillset that inflicted career changing punishment. Taylor might have gotten KO'd, but I doubt he was pissing blood for days like Gatti and Green did.

But both fighters use toughness, determination, and power to beat more athletically gifted opponents.

I'm not touchy at all mate, I enjoy these debates sorry if it comes as touchy but I never feel that way.

Anyway back on topic I can see your point although maybe I underestimate Micky Ward slightly. For me he was a tough but limited guy, on the same level as John Duddy maybe. To me he wasn't that damaging seeing as Gatti beat him 2-1 and went the distance every time whereas when he stepped up to the likes of Oscar, Floyd and even Angel Manfredy and Baldomir he got killed. If he'd have been forced to go 10 rounds with any of those guys he'd have been permenantly damaged.

I don't put Ward near Froch in terms of power or toughness. If Froch was the same size as Gatti he'd have ruined him a lot more than Ward did imo. Actually maybe that's not true as Gatti would have been stopped inside 5 or 6 rounds so maybe total damage accumalation would have been less.

But I do thing the difference in class between Ward and Froch is greater than between Froch and Calzaghe.

I'd give Froch a chance at least against Calzaghe, I'd not give Ward any chance whatosever against Ward pound for pound.