Hypothetically: Could Hatton Have Beat Paq?

[The Congressman]

Pac could have sliced and diced Hatton's face if the fight went the distance. Hatton fans should be grateful. Pac gave him the quick and merciful KO.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Pac could have sliced and diced Hatton's face if the fight went the distance. Hatton fans should be grateful. Pac gave him the quick and merciful KO.

yea lets not go there.....all i gotta say is you're starting to push it a bit, and i'm no Hatton fan

[The Congressman]

Pac could have sliced and diced Hatton's face if the fight went the distance. Hatton fans should be grateful. Pac gave him the quick and merciful KO.

yea lets not go there.....all i gotta say is you're starting to push it a bit, and i'm no Hatton fan

In the 2nd round, Hatton was like a mouse dying in his hiding hole after receiving the Pac venom in 1st round. Ref bayless even admitted that he was gonna stop the fight after the 2nd KD. REFEREE BAYLESS: HATTON GONE IN FIRST ROUND And I'm glad he did not cuz it would've been a controversial win for Pac.

[Chutebox]

Well Pac does tries to remain humble and gives out some credit dispite throughly dominating his opponents, he did say the same thing about Oscar. People said there was no way he would be able to move up and be successful after being rocked by Larios and look
what happens ... dispite that I think he should go no where near Mosely or Cotto , one clean power punch from either these guys
either to the body or head WOULD hurt Manny, no doubt.

[El Kabong]

I thought the first few rounds were Ricky's only shot.

#1 Both Hatton and Manny fade late in fights

#2 Manny is really quick and hard to time once he gets his rhythm

#3 We all know of Ricky's trouble with weight between bouts, it has NEVER helped him

#4 Ricky has/had a new trainer and if he had to rely on what he learned for an entire bout to win then he was at a sumpreme disadvantage.

Ricky could have won a few rounds here and there but out of 100 fights I think Ricky might have won 20 against Pacquiao and that's being generous. Pacquiao seems unstoppable at the moment, I know he isn't but my mind and my eyes tell me otherwise.

[leftylee]

I have to be honest, Hatton looked better in the second round and seemed to calm down from being so wild in the first. However the poor defense was still there and it was just a matter of time before Pacquiao connected again as he was so open. So no, Hatton wouldn't have beat him.

[Mar]

hypothetically hanna montana can beat pac, the difference between this fight and the oscar fight was oscar kept up his hands without that oscar would have gotten ko'ed too. He would have still won if hatton was wearing head gear, manny threw one punch that landed on hattons glove and he still went down, one guy was just better that's all.

[Quinito]

hypothetically hanna montana can beat pac, the difference between this fight and the oscar fight was oscar kept up his hands without that oscar would have gotten ko'ed too. He would have still won if hatton was wearing head gear, manny threw one punch that landed on hattons glove and he still went down, one guy was just better that's all.

You saw that too?

Yes. It was the 2nd knockdown. The straight left hand.

[Pugilistic]

Hatton could of never beaten Pacquiao.

Hatton never hurt Pacquiao, He made Pacquiao trip abit in round 2 after he stood on his foot and exchanged with him but it was clear Pacquiao was fine.

I think Its clear that Hatton's lifestyle has caught up with him.

[CutMeMick]

Well richard (mossley) if my grandma had wings she'd be a bird...

#2 Manny is really quick and hard to time once he gets his rhythm

JMM has been able to time and counter Manny the best from any of his opponents.
The way to beat Manny is with ring smarts, controlled fight and counter.
Mannys a brawler with good skills but it's been evident that he can be outboxed Rickys style or for that matter the straight forward style is taylor made for Manny.

[halo1]

Ring smarts? Maybe but the thing is..manny has now got ring smarts too. According to Freddie Roach, he now executes the fight plan to perfection. He has only said that of him the past 3 fights (Diaz, dela Hoya and Hatton).

So Manny has continuously improved and is getting smarter every fight. Ring smarts will only work if its not countered by another strategy.

I see Roach and Manny studying either PBF or Marquez and executing a fight plan maybe to perfection. As I have said in my previous posts, many people opined that Manny's most difficult fights were with counter punchers. I look at it differently. I think Manny's previous style made it very difficult for counter punchers. Let's analyze the Marquez/Pacquiao. Marquez could have easily won given his counter punching ways but he had a difficult time with Manny. That was with the old Manny P. Given Manny's new skills, I think he will give Marquez more problems as well. Will Marquez win? Maybe but I will put my money on Pacman solidly this time. Same with PBF but only at 140.

[CutMeMick]

Ring smarts? Maybe but the thing is..manny has now got ring smarts too. According to Freddie Roach, he now executes the fight plan to perfection. He has only said that of him the past 3 fights (Diaz, dela Hoya and Hatton).

Well halo1 theirs a difference between the ring smarts as described by Roach that Manny has and the smarts that JMM has shown for many years. If you've followed boxing for years you can clearly see and know what I'm talking about.

So Manny has continuously improved and is getting smarter every fight. Ring smarts will only work if its not countered by another strategy.

That is true Manny has improvesd and is getting smarter.
Well halo1 ring smarts have won JMM more rounds then Pac has won in both fights.

I see Roach and Manny studying either PBF or Marquez and executing a fight plan maybe to perfection. As I have said in my previous posts, many people opined that Manny's most difficult fights were with counter punchers. I look at it differently. I think Manny's previous style made it very difficult for counter punchers.

You can't be serious?
Every brawler/fighter Pac has faced he's knocked out.
Everytime Pac has faced a boxer or someone who moves and uses the ring he's had to work for it and or has had difficulties, not necessarly with the fighter it could be just himself.

Let's analyze the Marquez/Pacquiao. Marquez could have easily won given his counter punching ways but he had a difficult time with Manny. That was with the old Manny P.

That was the old Manny?
The won that fought JMM last year.
Manny has looked great no doubt but as I discussed prior to your arrival to this site and around the time the ODLH fight was announced and the Diaz fight those 2 performances didn't mean much to me as I predicted prior to the fights Pac would beat both with ease.
Manny looked great vs. ODLH because let's face it is was corpse up there in the ring a boxer who was done and had no business fighting at 147 even more so. The Diaz fight was nothing more then a gimmie/set up fight now the Hatton 2 round destruction was amazing.

Given Manny's new skills, I think he will give Marquez more problems as well. Will Marquez win? Maybe but I will put my money on Pacman solidly this time. Same with PBF but only at 140.

Time is what will eventually beat JMM the more time passes the easier it will be for Manny to defeat JMM.
JMM is a veteran who IMO is down to possibly 3 fights more then it'll be time. Considering now he's fighting PBF he's probably down to 2 fights.
I really don't think he can beat PBF but god will I use up all my prayers for him to do it.

JMM-Pac III needs to happen and with a JMM win we can see fight IV, followed with another JMM win and we will see fight V and this will go down as the greatest EVER matchup in sports history.
I can dream can't I.
(Notice how I didn't predict a winner for the final bout, I'm not that big of a JMM-Nut hugger )

[C-Lo]

MICK, Marquez and Pacquiao were made for each other. No matter how great Pacquiao can look or can potentially be, Marquez will always give him the fight of his life!

If that punch had not landed?
Hatton went down twice in first rd, JMM went down 3 times and came back.Please consider the following:

Hatton was landing on Paq, not an amazing amount, but he landed more in 2 rds than Oscar De La Hoya did in the entire fight. Paq has said that Hattons puches were hurtful.

Although Hatton went down in rd 1 twice, he had not gone down in rd 2, in my view he clearly was having more success in rd 2 than rd 1, although Paq clearly took the round.

Consider the fight was of an incredible pace which could not be sustained, I believe if Hatton had survived another 2 rounds, Paq would have slowed down giving Hatton a chance in the later rounds.

I am not saying Hatton would have won, all I am asking is would he have had a chance later on if Paq slowed down?

The fight was an incredible 7 minutes worth of action and to me showed me why no other sport could match it when at its best.

-Yes Hatton went down twice which was less than Marquez did. But Hatton isn't no counter punching machine like Marquez was.

-Pac doesnt slow down. He get stronger as the fight progresses.

hypothetically hanna montana can beat pac, the difference between this fight and the oscar fight was oscar kept up his hands without that oscar would have gotten ko'ed too. He would have still won if hatton was wearing head gear, manny threw one punch that landed on hattons glove and he still went down, one guy was just better that's all.

Damn MAR!

[Gandalf]

I really thought that Hatton had a very decent shot at beating Manny going into this.

At the end of the day you cannot argue with being put to sleep in the second. But Hatton did fight a very stupid fight tactically and I don't think that was the best Ricky Hatton I have ever seen. But that is neither here nor there. Hatton really should have pushed Manny a lot harder than he did, and yet he was wiped out in a way that makes even David Diaz look good.

He was destroyed and I don't see the point in the hypothetical argument really. You can argue things like Barrera: Khan but not a fight like Hatton: Pac.

[halo1]

Ring smarts? Maybe but the thing is..manny has now got ring smarts too. According to Freddie Roach, he now executes the fight plan to perfection. He has only said that of him the past 3 fights (Diaz, dela Hoya and Hatton).

Well halo1 theirs a difference between the ring smarts as described by Roach that Manny has and the smarts that JMM has shown for many years. If you've followed boxing for years you can clearly see and know what I'm talking about.

So Manny has continuously improved and is getting smarter every fight. Ring smarts will only work if its not countered by another strategy.

That is true Manny has improvesd and is getting smarter.
Well halo1 ring smarts have won JMM more rounds then Pac has won in both fights.


You can't be serious?
Every brawler/fighter Pac has faced he's knocked out.
Everytime Pac has faced a boxer or someone who moves and uses the ring he's had to work for it and or has had difficulties, not necessarly with the fighter it could be just himself.

Let's analyze the Marquez/Pacquiao. Marquez could have easily won given his counter punching ways but he had a difficult time with Manny. That was with the old Manny P.

That was the old Manny?
The won that fought JMM last year.
Manny has looked great no doubt but as I discussed prior to your arrival to this site and around the time the ODLH fight was announced and the Diaz fight those 2 performances didn't mean much to me as I predicted prior to the fights Pac would beat both with ease.
Manny looked great vs. ODLH because let's face it is was corpse up there in the ring a boxer who was done and had no business fighting at 147 even more so. The Diaz fight was nothing more then a gimmie/set up fight now the Hatton 2 round destruction was amazing.

Given Manny's new skills, I think he will give Marquez more problems as well. Will Marquez win? Maybe but I will put my money on Pacman solidly this time. Same with PBF but only at 140.

Time is what will eventually beat JMM the more time passes the easier it will be for Manny to defeat JMM.
JMM is a veteran who IMO is down to possibly 3 fights more then it'll be time. Considering now he's fighting PBF he's probably down to 2 fights.
I really don't think he can beat PBF but god will I use up all my prayers for him to do it.

JMM-Pac III needs to happen and with a JMM win we can see fight IV, followed with another JMM win and we will see fight V and this will go down as the greatest EVER matchup in sports history.
I can dream can't I.
(Notice how I didn't predict a winner for the final bout, I'm not that big of a JMM-Nut hugger )

I totally agree with you when it comes to the ring smarts of JMM. He is probably one of the smartest and most polished boxers of this era...maybe of all time you can argue. However, given that, he still had difficulty with Manny. Its all about point of view. Look at it from Marquez' standpoint. Marquez: I know I am more polished, better boxer and have more "ring smarts" than Manny. But why cant I finish him or make my fights with him a convincing win?

Yes, Manny had difficulty both times with Marquez. But its like a student having difficulty with the master. The master Marquez cant seem to put the student Pacman away. Marquez in my belief has reached his potential (and very few people do). Manny is just about proving to everyone that he is something special and still has a lot to show for. That is what makes him dangerous.

So, in my opinion, it is unfair to to equate a master boxer with a student fighter. Again no argument as to the ring smarts of Marquez. I am sure Marquez did a double take after the fight with Hatton. He will study and apply ring smarts in hopefully his next fight with Pacman. But how do you prepare for someone who is still evolving? Answer: Marquez will adjust in the later rounds. However, do you think he will reach the later rounds in time to adjust? I really dont know. Every stable mate of Oscar dela Hoya said Manny is predictable and easy to hit. Maybe the Manny of old. Not now.

Yes Pacman JMM needs to happen. Whoever wins will truly be the top honcho in the pound for pound list (that is if Marquez wins his fight with PB).

By the way, I have been a member of this forum for the since 2005-2006 using a slightly different nickname (halo). Unfortunately I forgot my old password. I am nothing compared to you though, Mr. Moderator. You are a master and I am a student.