Is Miguel Cotto too BIG for Pacquiao?

[Taeth]

hmm .. doesnt Cotto come to the ring at 160 ?!?

Thats a 12pound weight advantage

Manny may be able to dart in and out for a few rounds
peppering Cotto with right jabs and lead lefts but what happens
if Cotto times him just once with a clean hook to the body or chin ...



I think Manny would be shaken up and Cotto would jump on him.

Remember Mannys success in moving up weight
is hit and not getting hit back and Iam sure Cotto would tag him.

Although would love to see the fight at say 143 or so ...

What happens when Pacquiao landed 20 punches for every one that Cotto does?

Size isn't that big of a factor, sure Cotto might be 15 pounds heavier than Pacman but he needs to be able to impose that size and Pacman wouldn't be there for him to do so. Mayweather was likely 15 pounds lighter than Oscar in their fight and he wasn't destroyed by every punch.

Cotto is a hard puncher, but it still took him 11 rounds to stop Judah who is way easier to hit than Pacman(can't believe the roll reversal here), and he didn't keep Cotto honest by throwing punches of his own. Cotto doesn't hit harder than Oscar, and as long as he wasn't abusing Pacquiao the way he did to Quintana and Judah I don't think he would be able to stop Pacquiao without landing a lot of leather, I mean Marquez and Morales landed so much on Pacquiao that his durability is unquestionable, people need to stop thinking about hte 113 pound teenager who got stopped when he was badly weight drained.

Cotto is a lot bigger, but like if he fought Mayweather maybe even more so because Manny moves more, you can't impose your size on empty space which is all he would be able to catch. I actually think he has a very similar offensive mind as Marquez but he goes to the body more, I just don't think he has that footspeed Marquez had to get in after Pacquiao would make a mistake.

[Chutebox]

20-1 is not realistic even in the Manny v Ricky domination, the
landing punch stats was no where near 20-1 ratio. You said when
i said if, theres the difference. So by your expectations the
end of the fight landing punch stats would be :

Cotto total punches landed :

100

Pac total punches landed :

2000

or if it was a short night :

10 Cotto
200 Pac

Even then it is not realistic.

Hatton landed a total of 18 punches
Manny landed a total of 73 punches

Thats roughly a 4-1 ratio in favour of Manny Pacman.

20-1 ratio for a welterweight fight between Cotto and the Pacmonster
is unrealistic but thats my opinion.

The size issue is still a fact and whether it would be an issue or not
is just an opinion. 12/15 pounds is still 12/15 pounds and for each
punch Cotto lands it would be no doubt the heaviest punch
Manny would have ever felt in a professional prize fight.

Maywheather is a completely different boxer than Manny, style wise.
Hes defense first, offense second and his whole game especially
at welterweight/above is to win and to win safe, see Baldomir fight, Oscar etc

I agree Marquez and Morales did land alot on the Pacman and his
durability at 130 & below shouldnt be questioned but who has landed
even half that amount at 135/above ?

He barely has been caught flush by either Diaz at 35, Oscar at 47
and Hatton at 40.

Would Manny be able to deal with that if it were to happen?


I don't think about when Manny was a 112pound kid who was starving
himself to make weight affecting his overall resistance,
that doesnt mean anything in regards to the higher weights he has fought at.


Another thing is Miguels heavy & accurate jab.If he could
time it , Manny would not be landing at will.

[Taeth]

I am not being literal when I say Pacquiao lands 20 to 1 on Cotto, but in terms of meaningful punches it could 5 to 1, and Pacquiao might not have the most power that Cotto has ever faced(I think Mosley hit harder), but he will land the cleanest punches with the most power Cotto has ever faced. Also he is the only guy that has ever really used movement against Cotto with blazing speed. Most of what Hatton landed were glancing blows, and Hatton has way better footspeed than Cotto.

That footspeed differential would only increase because Cotto is so much heavier. Cotto does have a great jab and he has excellent timing and adaptive skills, but so does Pacquiao, I would have assumed by now people would understand that size isn't as big of a factor as some wouild have you believe. Styles make fights moreso than size in 90% of the situations. If Pacquiao wants to go shot for shot with Cotto I would concur with Cotto being too big, but we all know Pacquiao would fight him the same way he did De La Hoya, he would stay out of Cotto's range, come in quickly with the cross then be out before Cotto can react. Cotto might catch him briefly on the ropes a few times, but one or two punches even from the hard punching Cotto aren't enough to stop Pacman.

You also talk about the comparison of PBF and Pacman, but statistically Oscar landed way more on Mayweather htan he did on Pacquiao. Its different fighting a guy who can hurt you, and while PBF stays on the ropes and fights relatively flat footed, Manny is always moving, because he doesn't have the same technical defensive skills lately he has been making up for it with constant movement, great head movement, and staying off the ropes.

Manny wasn't caught by a whole bunch of clean punches, but he was hit enough for me to know that Cotto isn't going to one punch him. Oscar hit him a few times cleanly and Manny handled it fine. Same with when Hatton hit him.

[Chutebox]

I am not being literal when I say Pacquiao lands 20 to 1 on Cotto, but in terms of meaningful punches it could 5 to 1, and Pacquiao might not have the most power that Cotto has ever faced(I think Mosley hit harder), but he will land the cleanest punches with the most power Cotto has ever faced. Also he is the only guy that has ever really used movement against Cotto with blazing speed. Most of what Hatton landed were glancing blows, and Hatton has way better footspeed than Cotto.

That footspeed differential would only increase because Cotto is so much heavier. Cotto does have a great jab and he has excellent timing and adaptive skills, but so does Pacquiao, I would have assumed by now people would understand that size isn't as big of a factor as some wouild have you believe. Styles make fights moreso than size in 90% of the situations. If Pacquiao wants to go shot for shot with Cotto I would concur with Cotto being too big, but we all know Pacquiao would fight him the same way he did De La Hoya, he would stay out of Cotto's range, come in quickly with the cross then be out before Cotto can react. Cotto might catch him briefly on the ropes a few times, but one or two punches even from the hard punching Cotto aren't enough to stop Pacman.

You also talk about the comparison of PBF and Pacman, but statistically Oscar landed way more on Mayweather htan he did on Pacquiao. Its different fighting a guy who can hurt you, and while PBF stays on the ropes and fights relatively flat footed, Manny is always moving, because he doesn't have the same technical defensive skills lately he has been making up for it with constant movement, great head movement, and staying off the ropes.

Manny wasn't caught by a whole bunch of clean punches, but he was hit enough for me to know that Cotto isn't going to one punch him. Oscar hit him a few times cleanly and Manny handled it fine. Same with when Hatton hit him.

Hey, you did say it 20-1 and now down to 5-1 ... at least it is getting closer

I agree Mosley hits harder for sure especially with that outing
with Margarito. Thats another guy I would not favour Manny against.

You said "he will land the cleanest punches with the most power
Cotto has ever faced".

"Also he is the only guy that has ever really used movement against Cotto with blazing speed".

Again you say this like it has already happened, it is no guarantee.


I agree Hatton did land a few glancing blows so we do not know
if Manny can take some clean powerful shots from a true welterweight not a drained, IV shotted up welter.

One can look at it as Hatton has better footspeed than Cotto but that would be too simple. Hatton obviously has quicker footwork and closes the cap to get inside faster than Cotto but does that mean it is better when you are fighting Manny Pac?

Jumping/leaping in with his fast feet was Hattons downfall as well
as chin up & hands down approach.

I do not think Cotto would approach Manny this way and his style
is more boxer than brawler & does use a high guard.

Again I do agree Hatton has faster footwork but in this case
he used it the wrong way and also Cottos slower, measured footwork timed with a consistantly thrown jab should work better than Hattons fast, closing the gap approach.

Yes that would be the most effective approach in using the Oscar strategy but as I said , that was against an older past his prime, weight drained,Iv shotted up welter not an in prime , young welter such as Cotto.

As you say styles makes fights and to compare the old, drained
Oscar to a prime, young Cotto is totally different.

Above is also a reply to my comparison to the Manny v Oscar and
Floyd v Oscar fight. Different Oscar due to having not made 147 in
years and also comming in fight night lower than the man who
fought at 35 just before.

You said above "Cotto does have a great jab and he has excellent timing and adaptive skills".


You also said " Manny wasn't caught by a whole bunch of clean punches, but he was hit enough for me to know that Cotto isn't going to one punch him. Oscar hit him a few times cleanly and Manny handled it fine. Same with when Hatton hit him."


Would we agree that it is the punch you do not see that hurts you?

Also would we agree that Cotto has much better timing than
Hatton and Oscar has displayed in their last 3 fights?

This is where I think there is a chance Cotto could time Pacman
with some of his jabs and ofset him and possible time him with
a hook to the body or head several times into the fight and
would eventually rock Manny pretty bad but thats just my opinion.

[paddy448]

the way things r going at the min id say manny could beat vitali klitschko, then 5 mins later smash wlad to bits

[C-Lo]

At 147 Miguel might be a bit too big. But that's been said about De La Hoya and Hatton. At a catchweight, I think the fight will be fought on even ground.

Ths would be a stupid fight for Pac with a PBF superfight looming on the horizon. Too much risk for too little reward. Have the PBF fight, then consider things like this. Plus the sport needs the PBF fight, and it needs it with Pac going in on a high. Arum is just talking, trying to let Floyd know he has options, he's a promoter it's what he does.

I think HITMANHATTON said something along the lines of this as well. NO WAY will Arum set up a fight with Cotto and Pac. The money maker is Pacquiao vs Mayweather and they will not risk that with a possible loss against Cotto.

If Cotto/Mosley vs Pacquiao gets made before a fight against Mayweather, I will truly be surprised. But at the same time, I could see Arum doing it just to stick it to Floyd.