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    Default Re: Is Miguel Cotto too BIG for Pacquiao?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales View Post
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    he took bricks to the face for 11 rounds i think his chin is more than just decent
    That hasn't been proven and probably never will...
    Other than Margarito like Quintana,Torres and Judah etc. have hurt him.
    Pacquiao hits harder then them and bricks.
    Cotto dominated Quintana, Torres wobbled him the worse of the 3 and went on to prove he's got REAL power at 140, and Judah hurt him 2 times then got his ass handed to him, the hardest puncher that Cotto has fought was Mosley and he took his shots just fine, Pacquiao doesn't punch anywhere as hard as Mosley
    I don't remember Mosley stopping Oscar. Mosley does hit hard, but I see Pacquiao because of the punches he throws hurting Cotto worse than Mosley ever would.

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    Default Re: Is Miguel Cotto too BIG for Pacquiao?

    Pac should face off against valuev next. He'd probably ko the giant.

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    Default Re: Is Miguel Cotto too BIG for Pacquiao?

    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
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    That hasn't been proven and probably never will...
    Other than Margarito like Quintana,Torres and Judah etc. have hurt him.
    Pacquiao hits harder then them and bricks.
    Cotto dominated Quintana, Torres wobbled him the worse of the 3 and went on to prove he's got REAL power at 140, and Judah hurt him 2 times then got his ass handed to him, the hardest puncher that Cotto has fought was Mosley and he took his shots just fine, Pacquiao doesn't punch anywhere as hard as Mosley
    I don't remember Mosley stopping Oscar. Mosley does hit hard, but I see Pacquiao because of the punches he throws hurting Cotto worse than Mosley ever would.
    that's because Mosley fought Oscar while DLH was still in his prime, unlike Pacquiao, the DLH that Mosley beat at 147 wouldn't have been stopped by the Manny of now either, Mosley has taken out dudes that weigh above 147 though, so yea Shane does have power

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    Default Re: Is Miguel Cotto too BIG for Pacquiao?

    Mosley has power, but he also doesn't, he never hurt Cotto, the only time Cotto lost balance was on a slick spot where MOsley slipped on later in the fight. While Judah was able to hurt or stun Cotto 3ish times, once late pretty badly. Mosley sure didn't show much power when he fought Collazo, He was throwing arm punches. He tends to load up so there is a ton of force but his punches are easier to see coming. Pacquiao's pretty much teleport into your face with surprising power, and unlike Mosley Pacquiao can throw hurting combinations, which we haven't seen from Mosley since he was at 135. Last, but not least Pacquiao can hurt you at range, and unless you are Margarito Mosley usually has a pretty difficult time getting off at range.

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    Default Re: Is Miguel Cotto too BIG for Pacquiao?

    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
    Mosley has power, but he also doesn't, he never hurt Cotto, the only time Cotto lost balance was on a slick spot where MOsley slipped on later in the fight. While Judah was able to hurt or stun Cotto 3ish times, once late pretty badly. Mosley sure didn't show much power when he fought Collazo, He was throwing arm punches. He tends to load up so there is a ton of force but his punches are easier to see coming. Pacquiao's pretty much teleport into your face with surprising power, and unlike Mosley Pacquiao can throw hurting combinations, which we haven't seen from Mosley since he was at 135. Last, but not least Pacquiao can hurt you at range, and unless you are Margarito Mosley usually has a pretty difficult time getting off at range.
    well Collazo has a hell of a chin and the only time i've seen him down was against Hatton, and he wasn't seriously hurt, he knocked Vargas out cold with one single punch in the rematch, and also the Mayorga fight showed 2 things, he can KO you with a single punch and he has power the full 12 rounds

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    Default Re: Is Miguel Cotto too BIG for Pacquiao?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
    Mosley has power, but he also doesn't, he never hurt Cotto, the only time Cotto lost balance was on a slick spot where MOsley slipped on later in the fight. While Judah was able to hurt or stun Cotto 3ish times, once late pretty badly. Mosley sure didn't show much power when he fought Collazo, He was throwing arm punches. He tends to load up so there is a ton of force but his punches are easier to see coming. Pacquiao's pretty much teleport into your face with surprising power, and unlike Mosley Pacquiao can throw hurting combinations, which we haven't seen from Mosley since he was at 135. Last, but not least Pacquiao can hurt you at range, and unless you are Margarito Mosley usually has a pretty difficult time getting off at range.
    well Collazo has a hell of a chin and the only time i've seen him down was against Hatton, and he wasn't seriously hurt, he knocked Vargas out cold with one single punch in the rematch, and also the Mayorga fight showed 2 things, he can KO you with a single punch and he has power the full 12 rounds
    Like against Hatton, Collazo was caught off balance when Mosley landed that punch, Collazo didn't seem hurt by that shot. IMO the only time I've seen COllazo hurt is when Berto stunned him with a body shot in the 12th round.

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    Default Re: Is Miguel Cotto too BIG for Pacquiao?

    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
    Mosley has power, but he also doesn't, he never hurt Cotto, the only time Cotto lost balance was on a slick spot where MOsley slipped on later in the fight. While Judah was able to hurt or stun Cotto 3ish times, once late pretty badly. Mosley sure didn't show much power when he fought Collazo, He was throwing arm punches. He tends to load up so there is a ton of force but his punches are easier to see coming. Pacquiao's pretty much teleport into your face with surprising power, and unlike Mosley Pacquiao can throw hurting combinations, which we haven't seen from Mosley since he was at 135. Last, but not least Pacquiao can hurt you at range, and unless you are Margarito Mosley usually has a pretty difficult time getting off at range.
    What fight were u watching?? You are WRONG! Mosley chased Cotto around the ring for all of the 9th round! Cotto was reeling. He happened to land some counter shots when Mosley was rushing in, and that was all that saved him. If Mosley had taken his time coming in when he had him hurt, the story would have been different.
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    Default Re: Is Miguel Cotto too BIG for Pacquiao?

    I don't see this fight being made before Manny-Floyd. Like people already said this is just Arum starting negotiations on the Manny-Floyd money split.

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    Default Re: Is Miguel Cotto too BIG for Pacquiao?

    Quote Originally Posted by JonnyFolds View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
    Mosley has power, but he also doesn't, he never hurt Cotto, the only time Cotto lost balance was on a slick spot where MOsley slipped on later in the fight. While Judah was able to hurt or stun Cotto 3ish times, once late pretty badly. Mosley sure didn't show much power when he fought Collazo, He was throwing arm punches. He tends to load up so there is a ton of force but his punches are easier to see coming. Pacquiao's pretty much teleport into your face with surprising power, and unlike Mosley Pacquiao can throw hurting combinations, which we haven't seen from Mosley since he was at 135. Last, but not least Pacquiao can hurt you at range, and unless you are Margarito Mosley usually has a pretty difficult time getting off at range.
    What fight were u watching?? You are WRONG! Mosley chased Cotto around the ring for all of the 9th round! Cotto was reeling. He happened to land some counter shots when Mosley was rushing in, and that was all that saved him. If Mosley had taken his time coming in when he had him hurt, the story would have been different.
    The same one that I've seen 40 times, Cotto was already moving around before the time he was allegedly hurt from Mosley because he had a hard time breathing with blood in his mouth. Cotto even stated later he decided to box so he wouldn't get caught with anything big. He wasn't badly hurt, Watch the Corley or Torres fight, or even against Judah and you will see Cotto hurt, that slip was just that, A slip. How about you actually watch the fight and see Mosley slip in that exact same spot.

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    Default Re: Is Miguel Cotto too BIG for Pacquiao?

    Pacquiao will kill Cotto at catch weight "143-144 pounds"!

    On 147 Ibs will be more challenging in both parties. But I still see Pacquiao winning. WHY?

    SPEED KILLS!!! and Cotto is a slow boxer.

    Check this out --> YouTube - [ HD ] Manny PACMAN Pacquiao Highlights Music Video Remix by Mandirigmangkaluluwa
    Last edited by itouchpinoy; 05-06-2009 at 01:20 PM.

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    Default Re: Is Miguel Cotto too BIG for Pacquiao?

    I'd like to go on the record now and say if Pac fights Cotto at 147, Cotto ruins him!!

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    Default Re: Is Miguel Cotto too BIG for Pacquiao?

    Quote Originally Posted by itouchpinoy View Post
    Pacquiao will kill Cotto at catch weight "143-144 pounds"!

    On 147 Ibs will be more challenging in both parties. But I still see Pacquiao winning. WHY?

    SPEED KILLS!!! and Cotto is a slow boxer.

    Check this out --> YouTube - [ HD ] Manny PACMAN Pacquiao Highlights Music Video Remix by Mandirigmangkaluluwa
    Cotto's no Pacquiao when it comes to speed, but he's not slow by any means, i'd go so far to say that Cotto's timing is better than Manny's, and his jab would give Manny fits, and unlike Morales did in the last round of their first fight, Cotto can effectively fight in southpaw and orthodox stance, which IMO could give Pacquiao probs as well

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    Default Re: Is Miguel Cotto too BIG for Pacquiao?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales View Post
    Cotto's no Pacquiao when it comes to speed, but he's not slow by any means, i'd go so far to say that Cotto's timing is better than Manny's, and his jab would give Manny fits, and unlike Morales did in the last round of their first fight, Cotto can effectively fight in southpaw and orthodox stance, which IMO could give Pacquiao probs as well

    If you can remember Juan manuel Marquez has a razor sharp jab. better than Cotto IMO. but did he used it in fight 2? NO he abandoned it w/c is the right thing to do because it almost nullfies the righthook from pac.

    Cotto's Jab wont be much of a factor againts Pacquio. if cotto relies on it. Pac's speed and movement will help out in landing a lot of right hook.
    Last edited by miron_lang; 05-06-2009 at 09:57 PM.

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    Default Re: Is Miguel Cotto too BIG for Pacquiao?

    Quote Originally Posted by miron_lang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales View Post
    it became obvious after the Malignaggi fight, that Cotto would get wobbled so bad at 140 mainly cause he was killing himself to make the weight, not so much that he had a bad chin, Torres turned out to be one of if not the most explosive puncher at the weight, IMO it's Bailey, but i'd have Torres and Urango in my top 3 as far as power punchers are concerned
    Cotto might survive a left hook from Pac but can he withstand the onslaught after he get shaken? Im sure Pac wont go to the body like what corley did. Pac is a finisher only JMM has survived after hitting the deck.

    If he can solve pac's movement then Cotto might get the job done. but its very very unlikely.
    Cotto's been rocked by bigger punchers than Manny and has recovered well and quite quickly at that, he's a lot more technically sound than most give him credit for and has adapted well in every fight, IMO his footwork is better than Manny's and he's a natural welterweight, the real question is, will Manny be able to keep coming forward when a true welter backs him up by boxing and not just bum rushing him like Hatton did, don't think in anyway that Pacquiao/Hatton is any indicator of how a Pacquiao/Cotto fight would go
    Quote Originally Posted by miron_lang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales View Post
    Cotto's no Pacquiao when it comes to speed, but he's not slow by any means, i'd go so far to say that Cotto's timing is better than Manny's, and his jab would give Manny fits, and unlike Morales did in the last round of their first fight, Cotto can effectively fight in southpaw and orthodox stance, which IMO could give Pacquiao probs as well

    If you can remember Juan manuel Marquez has a razor sharp jab. better than Cotto IMO. but did he used it in fight 2? NO he abandoned it w/c is the right thing to do because it almost nullfies the righthook from pac.

    Cotto's Jab wont much of a factor againts Pacquio. if cotto relies on it. Pac's speed and movement will help out in landing a lot of right hook.
    Cotto doesn't abandon his jab, that's the difference and IMO Marquez beat Manny in the rematch, and Marquez doesn't have the power that Cotto does, if Pacquiao said that Hatton hit hard, then he'll sure as hell feel Cotto's power, no use in arguing the fight, seeing how it's not gonna get made, people are starting to let the Hatton win go to their heads with such stupid remarks as "a fight against Cotto would be an onslaught in favor of Manny" or "Manny should fight Mosley as a tune up", i'm not saying Pacquiao doesn't have a chance in beating both, but neither one of them is Hatton, both have a hell of a lot more when it comes to boxing ability and both are naturally bigger and stronger men than Hatton, Pacquiao will fight the winner of JMM/PBF

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