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    Default Re: Pac Vs Tsysu in their primes at 140

    Kosta Tszyu was a master at adapting during a fight to counter his opponents style, so this would be very interesting imo. I am one of those that thinks Tszyu was awesome, but slightly overrated, I don't think his opposition was great.

    I actually see Pac winning this one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BIG H View Post
    Kosta Tszyu was a master at adapting during a fight to counter his opponents style, so this would be very interesting imo. I am one of those that thinks Tszyu was awesome, but slightly overrated, I don't think his opposition was great.

    I actually see Pac winning this one!
    Almost 50% of Tszyu's fights were against World Champions, i think he fought 16 of them! And You think his opposition is not great? Puzzling? His first World Champion win was against Juan La Porte in only his 4th pro fight!!
    I don't think we ever saw the best of Tszyu but i urge you to have another look at his wins over Miguel Angel Gonzalez and Zab Judah, both fighters beaten at their peaks!
    It was not Tszyu's fault he was sidestepped by DLH and Mosley!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BIG H View Post
    Kosta Tszyu was a master at adapting during a fight to counter his opponents style, so this would be very interesting imo. I am one of those that thinks Tszyu was awesome, but slightly overrated, I don't think his opposition was great.

    I actually see Pac winning this one!
    Almost 50% of Tszyu's fights were against World Champions, i think he fought 16 of them! And You think his opposition is not great? Puzzling? His first World Champion win was against Juan La Porte in only his 4th pro fight!!
    I don't think we ever saw the best of Tszyu but i urge you to have another look at his wins over Miguel Angel Gonzalez and Zab Judah, both fighters beaten at their peaks!
    It was not Tszyu's fault he was sidestepped by DLH and Mosley!!
    Credit for beating Zab, but I think it's fair to say Zab aint going down as an ATG. Gonzales was another good win but he had already been soundly beaten by DLH and just drawn with an ancient JCC.

    Losses to Hatton and Philips also don't help his resume. His opposition was sound and good, but if we are talking about being an all time great, his best win is against Zab Judah! Tszyu probably is an all time great and he can only beat who is put in front of him, but you can't say that his opposition was phenomenal by any stretch of the imagination

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    Quote Originally Posted by BIG H View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BIG H View Post
    Kosta Tszyu was a master at adapting during a fight to counter his opponents style, so this would be very interesting imo. I am one of those that thinks Tszyu was awesome, but slightly overrated, I don't think his opposition was great.

    I actually see Pac winning this one!
    Almost 50% of Tszyu's fights were against World Champions, i think he fought 16 of them! And You think his opposition is not great? Puzzling? His first World Champion win was against Juan La Porte in only his 4th pro fight!!
    I don't think we ever saw the best of Tszyu but i urge you to have another look at his wins over Miguel Angel Gonzalez and Zab Judah, both fighters beaten at their peaks!
    It was not Tszyu's fault he was sidestepped by DLH and Mosley!!
    Credit for beating Zab, but I think it's fair to say Zab aint going down as an ATG. Gonzales was another good win but he had already been soundly beaten by DLH and just drawn with an ancient JCC.

    Losses to Hatton and Philips also don't help his resume. His opposition was sound and good, but if we are talking about being an all time great, his best win is against Zab Judah! Tszyu probably is an all time great and he can only beat who is put in front of him, but you can't say that his opposition was phenomenal by any stretch of the imagination
    Judah at the time was undefeated, and went on to be undisputed welterweight champion, honestly i think Judah is the way he is now due to lack of dedication, a weak mindset, and the fact that Tszyu pretty much ruined him IMO, he put a real dent in his confidence and it's been evident since, but that doesn't take away the natural talent that Judah had, at 140 he was just as fast as Manny and he had loads of power in his shots, not saying he's as good as Pacquiao, but it gives a good impression that Tszyu would have been able to deal with PAC's speed and movement, on that note, don't know why people are thrashing Hatton for getting stopped in the 2nd, at least it was against the p4p #1 best fighter in the world, can't say the same happened for Jones Jr.

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    Default Re: Pac Vs Tsysu in their primes at 140

    Lol spic, I havnt seen him! Cant say that I want to either, our arguments where me out. Judah May have been close to same speed and power as Manny but what I think sets Manny apart is his foot work. He bounces in and out like bruce lee. Ive never seen another fighter with Pacquiao's type of movement, and I think that gives him a big edge! Does anyone know if I where to find that picture of that dude posing as Pacman with that hot chick on his arm? That was the funniest thing i've ever seen!

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    Quote Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFan View Post
    Lol spic, I havnt seen him! Cant say that I want to either, our arguments where me out. Judah May have been close to same speed and power as Manny but what I think sets Manny apart is his foot work. He bounces in and out like bruce lee. Ive never seen another fighter with Pacquiao's type of movement, and I think that gives him a big edge! Does anyone know if I where to find that picture of that dude posing as Pacman with that hot chick on his arm? That was the funniest thing i've ever seen!
    yea cause it's a well known fact that Jeet Kune Do is where Manny's boxing style came from...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFan View Post
    Lol spic, I havnt seen him! Cant say that I want to either, our arguments where me out. Judah May have been close to same speed and power as Manny but what I think sets Manny apart is his foot work. He bounces in and out like bruce lee. Ive never seen another fighter with Pacquiao's type of movement, and I think that gives him a big edge! Does anyone know if I where to find that picture of that dude posing as Pacman with that hot chick on his arm? That was the funniest thing i've ever seen!
    yea cause it's a well known fact that Jeet Kune Do is where Manny's boxing style came from...


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    Quote Originally Posted by BIG H View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BIG H View Post
    Kosta Tszyu was a master at adapting during a fight to counter his opponents style, so this would be very interesting imo. I am one of those that thinks Tszyu was awesome, but slightly overrated, I don't think his opposition was great.

    I actually see Pac winning this one!
    Almost 50% of Tszyu's fights were against World Champions, i think he fought 16 of them! And You think his opposition is not great? Puzzling? His first World Champion win was against Juan La Porte in only his 4th pro fight!!
    I don't think we ever saw the best of Tszyu but i urge you to have another look at his wins over Miguel Angel Gonzalez and Zab Judah, both fighters beaten at their peaks!
    It was not Tszyu's fault he was sidestepped by DLH and Mosley!!
    Credit for beating Zab, but I think it's fair to say Zab aint going down as an ATG. Gonzales was another good win but he had already been soundly beaten by DLH and just drawn with an ancient JCC.

    Losses to Hatton and Philips also don't help his resume. His opposition was sound and good, but if we are talking about being an all time great, his best win is against Zab Judah! Tszyu probably is an all time great and he can only beat who is put in front of him, but you can't say that his opposition was phenomenal by any stretch of the imagination
    Well, i guess we will have to agree to disagree on the Tszyu opposition argument, fighting 16 World Champions in your career is a mighty fine effort IMO. A lot of fighters have losses on their resumes that puts them under a cloud, Pacquiao is no exception, DLH and Mosley have losses that should not be there too, it happens to most fighters. Should Mosley have lost to Forrest twice? He was losing to Raul Marquez until it was declared NC! Chavez was 35 when he drew with Gonzalez, hardly ancient and had only lost twice in his career before that fight. Pacquiao is fresh in everyones mind right now and Tszyu was at his best 9- 10 years ago, judgements are bound to be in favour of the most recent fighter. I just think Manny's style would be tailor made for Tszyu and would not have caused him to many problems, i base that on Pacman's two fights with Marquez, both fights i think he lost.

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    Default Re: Pac Vs Tsysu in their primes at 140

    Do you always have to be so sarcastic? I've read Lee's Jeet Kune Do book and his style is very similar to what Bruce described in his techniques, so role your eyes all you want, but do a little research before your next post please. By the way if you knew anything about Jeet Kune Do you would know that it orriginates from no where. Lee studied western boxing, fencing as well with all the various asian forms of martial arts. Jeet Kune Do is not a certain standard of moves, those become predictable, its ever changing, adapting to the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFan View Post
    Do you always have to be so sarcastic? I've read Lee's Jeet Kune Do book and his style is very similar to what Bruce described in his techniques, so role your eyes all you want, but do a little research before your next post please. By the way if you knew anything about Jeet Kune Do you would know that it orriginates from no where. Lee studied western boxing, fencing as well with all the various asian forms of martial arts. Jeet Kune Do is not a certain standard of moves, those become predictable, its ever changing, adapting to the moment.
    Jeet Kune Do is not a fighting style, said so by Bruce Lee himself, it's a mentality, self growth, breaking all boundaries to any "laws" or "rules" in specific fighting styles, basically do whatever is needed to get the job done, i don't have to research what i already know bud

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