The Mayweather double standard.

[blegit]

That's the main reason he was a disputed WW champ. PBF should have fought them. Cotto, Williams, and Margarito are big names, just like Morales, Barrera, and Marquez.

Mayweather dominated 2 weight classes. And lets be real nobody is dominating 147! Even Pac chose to cherrypick DLH out of that division and you'll never see him there again. Regardless of who you think is better. Can you be honest and say that there is definitely a Mayweather double standard?

First of all, DLH called out Pac, you have it the other way around. And second, nobody knew DLH was gonna be weight drain the night he fought Pac. FYI, Pac was the heavy underdog. 28 out of 30 of so called "boxing experts" picked DLH to win. Stop making shit up.

Making what up? Back it up with facts. DLH hadn't fought at 147 in how many years? So he called Pac out? How about when Mosley called Pac out? How about Margarito calling Pac out? And I call Pac's move a cherrypick because he only took DLH call up offer. No real threat at 147 even got looked at. That is cherrypicking. You don't have to call the person out to cherrypick. How about Pac cherrypicking David Diaz at 135? I don't blame Pac for taking the cash cow DLH but don't overly credit him(drool on his balls) for fighting someone who was not a top 147 pounder. He wasn't even a 147 pounder. At 154 would have been credible. And lets keep your mouth clean and your facts also.

[Mr. Cosell]

What really kills me is that a couple of years from now people are still going to bitch that Mayweather "cherry picked" his opponents after he came back from retirement and beat the #2 p4p fighter in the world as a tune up to beat the #1 p4p fighter in the world. And yes, I am so confident that Mayweather is in a completely different league from both of them to make that statement beforehand. If PBF came out of retirement and signed to fight Kelly Pavlik and took him to a decision victory there would STILL be legions of people screaming that he ducked someone, as unbelievable as that is, but it's the truth. And I really actually do love that people hate him that much.

[TheMacMagician]

What really kills me is that a couple of years from now people are still going to bitch that Mayweather "cherry picked" his opponents after he came back from retirement and beat the #2 p4p fighter in the world as a tune up to beat the #1 p4p fighter in the world. And yes, I am so confident that Mayweather is in a completely different league from both of them to make that statement beforehand. If PBF came out of retirement and signed to fight Kelly Pavlik and took him to a decision victory there would STILL be legions of people screaming that he ducked someone, as unbelievable as that is, but it's the truth. And I really actually do love that people hate him that much.

You know what we should do, is to hell with this pound for pound bull crap. What if p4p no2 at the moment was Vic Darchinyan. Would you want praise for PBF beating p4p no2 then No. p4p means absolute crap in my eyes and its becoming annoying reading about it everywhere. p4p against p4p this and p4p that. What a load of twoddle.

Actual boxing fans know the match-ups they want to see and can surely see through the fickle nature of the now, Pacman vs PBF talk. What happened to PBF vs Williams, or then PBF vs Mosely when he dispatched Margarito.

I wanna see PBF beat a world clas 147 fighter like Williams or Mosley or Cotto and would watch that 9 times out of ten when pacman is concerned. I wanna see Pacman fight Marquez again. Just like I wanna see Vic Darchinyan fight Nonito again. Lets call it "True Foes" fight time. I say we have less of this moving up the weights and avoisding what we all know are the real challenges because lets face it, in a nut shell, it aint no different than Amir Kahn waltzing his way into Welter to fight for a title against Kotelnik, which he will win i'm sure, and will then try and call himself world class in the Welterweight division. Boll***s. Lets have you back down at LW to rematch Prescott first sunshine, your "Foe".

Sorry, rant over....

For the record, i see Mayweather catching manny pac on the counter all day long no sweat. Marquez will be a tougher fight in my eyes.

[Majesty]

Actual boxing fans know the match-ups they want to see and can surely see through the fickle nature of the now, Pacman vs PBF talk. What happened to PBF vs Williams, or then PBF vs Mosely when he dispatched Margarito.

I wanna see PBF beat a world clas 147 fighter like Williams or Mosley or Cotto and would watch that 9 times out of ten when pacman is concerned. I wanna see Pacman fight Marquez again. Just like I wanna see Vic Darchinyan fight Nonito again. Lets call it "True Foes" fight time. I say we have less of this moving up the weights and avoisding what we all know are the real challenges because lets face it, in a nut shell, it aint no different than Amir Kahn waltzing his way into Welter to fight for a title against Kotelnik, which he will win i'm sure, and will then try and call himself world class in the Welterweight division. Boll***s. Lets have you back down at LW to rematch Prescott first sunshine, your "Foe".

Sorry, rant over....

For the record, i see Mayweather catching manny pac on the counter all day long no sweat. Marquez will be a tougher fight in my eyes.

yeah but if Mosley was saying he was gonna fight the Pacquiao Hatton winner and Pacquiao won then no one on this forum would be complaining . They'd say that they picked against Pacquiao against Oscar and won't do it again and some will even stretch to probably say that Mosley could stop Pacquiao.

The fact is 4 pounds aren't gonna really make a difference in that fight if Pacquiao and Mayweather fought each other. Pacquiao has dismantled Oscar at 147 and knocked out Hatton at 140 so if him and Mayweather fought at 144 whats your problem?

To compare Vic Darchiniyan to that seems like a desperate stretch. Mayweather and Pacquiao are only 4 pounds apart not 25

as far as what happened to Mosley Mayweather and Williams vs Mayweather. And Mayweather vs Margarito those three are always thrown our along with Cotto and I will say it again like i've said it a million times

if Cotto was beat by Floyd they'd have said Cotto was inexperienced, as its the same excuse they used when Margarito won. And Paul Williams went up and down in weight and lets not forget he lost that title upon his first title defense and then after beating Quintana in a rematch he moved up in weight, don't blame Mayweather for that. As far as Shane goes he is playing the waiting game after beating Margarito and may have even called out the Pacquiao Hatton winner and i bet if he did no one would be complaining as much as if Floyd did.

[Bomp]

Actual boxing fans know the match-ups they want to see and can surely see through the fickle nature of the now, Pacman vs PBF talk. What happened to PBF vs Williams, or then PBF vs Mosely when he dispatched Margarito.

I wanna see PBF beat a world clas 147 fighter like Williams or Mosley or Cotto and would watch that 9 times out of ten when pacman is concerned. I wanna see Pacman fight Marquez again. Just like I wanna see Vic Darchinyan fight Nonito again. Lets call it "True Foes" fight time. I say we have less of this moving up the weights and avoisding what we all know are the real challenges because lets face it, in a nut shell, it aint no different than Amir Kahn waltzing his way into Welter to fight for a title against Kotelnik, which he will win i'm sure, and will then try and call himself world class in the Welterweight division. Boll***s. Lets have you back down at LW to rematch Prescott first sunshine, your "Foe".

Sorry, rant over....

For the record, i see Mayweather catching manny pac on the counter all day long no sweat. Marquez will be a tougher fight in my eyes.

yeah but if Mosley was saying he was gonna fight the Pacquiao Hatton winner and Pacquiao won then no one on this forum would be complaining . They'd say that they picked against Pacquiao against Oscar and won't do it again and some will even stretch to probably say that Mosley could stop Pacquiao.

The fact is 4 pounds aren't gonna really make a difference in that fight if Pacquiao and Mayweather fought each other. Pacquiao has dismantled Oscar at 147 and knocked out Hatton at 140 so if him and Mayweather fought at 144 whats your problem?

To compare Vic Darchiniyan to that seems like a desperate stretch. Mayweather and Pacquiao are only 4 pounds apart not 25

as far as what happened to Mosley Mayweather and Williams vs Mayweather. And Mayweather vs Margarito those three are always thrown our along with Cotto and I will say it again like i've said it a million times

if Cotto was beat by Floyd they'd have said Cotto was inexperienced, as its the same excuse they used when Margarito won. And Paul Williams went up and down in weight and lets not forget he lost that title upon his first title defense and then after beating Quintana in a rematch he moved up in weight, don't blame Mayweather for that. As far as Shane goes he is playing the waiting game after beating Margarito and may have even called out the Pacquiao Hatton winner and i bet if he did no one would be complaining as much as if Floyd did.

I'm pretty sure he's refferring to Marquez when he's talking about the weight issue with PBF. Magicmagician is right about this p4p bollocks, with Pac's win over Hatton he is a genuine opponent for PBF, but JMM done nothing over 135, and seemed to struggle a lttile w ith the strength of Diaz (not with his ability), so pretty certain moving up an extra nine pounds IS going to have a big effect.

When referring to having a shot at the lineal WELTERWEIGHT champ (PBF), who's really done more, the guy who beat Diaz at 135, or the guy who mauled Margarito at 147? I don't buy this being a small welterweight crap at all, if you can't make 140 then you ARE a welterweight PERIOD.

Lets remember that PBF signed up to figt JMM (and probably Pac was next intended) BEFORE Pac showed how destructive he was at 140.

[TheMacMagician]

Actual boxing fans know the match-ups they want to see and can surely see through the fickle nature of the now, Pacman vs PBF talk. What happened to PBF vs Williams, or then PBF vs Mosely when he dispatched Margarito.

I wanna see PBF beat a world clas 147 fighter like Williams or Mosley or Cotto and would watch that 9 times out of ten when pacman is concerned. I wanna see Pacman fight Marquez again. Just like I wanna see Vic Darchinyan fight Nonito again. Lets call it "True Foes" fight time. I say we have less of this moving up the weights and avoisding what we all know are the real challenges because lets face it, in a nut shell, it aint no different than Amir Kahn waltzing his way into Welter to fight for a title against Kotelnik, which he will win i'm sure, and will then try and call himself world class in the Welterweight division. Boll***s. Lets have you back down at LW to rematch Prescott first sunshine, your "Foe".

Sorry, rant over....

For the record, i see Mayweather catching manny pac on the counter all day long no sweat. Marquez will be a tougher fight in my eyes.

yeah but if Mosley was saying he was gonna fight the Pacquiao Hatton winner and Pacquiao won then no one on this forum would be complaining . They'd say that they picked against Pacquiao against Oscar and won't do it again and some will even stretch to probably say that Mosley could stop Pacquiao.

The fact is 4 pounds aren't gonna really make a difference in that fight if Pacquiao and Mayweather fought each other. Pacquiao has dismantled Oscar at 147 and knocked out Hatton at 140 so if him and Mayweather fought at 144 whats your problem?

To compare Vic Darchiniyan to that seems like a desperate stretch. Mayweather and Pacquiao are only 4 pounds apart not 25

as far as what happened to Mosley Mayweather and Williams vs Mayweather. And Mayweather vs Margarito those three are always thrown our along with Cotto and I will say it again like i've said it a million times

if Cotto was beat by Floyd they'd have said Cotto was inexperienced, as its the same excuse they used when Margarito won. And Paul Williams went up and down in weight and lets not forget he lost that title upon his first title defense and then after beating Quintana in a rematch he moved up in weight, don't blame Mayweather for that. As far as Shane goes he is playing the waiting game after beating Margarito and may have even called out the Pacquiao Hatton winner and i bet if he did no one would be complaining as much as if Floyd did.

I don't agree with your comment pal unfortunately, I really am not convinced by someone who moves up in weight and doesn't fight a lineal or recognised best fighter. Mayweather needs to fight the top people at his designated weight division to class himself the best, just like pacman has, beating hatton at 140. I'm really not interested one bit in this p4p bullshit, i just wanna see the best fight the best and have done with it. best vs best at that weight division. If pacman beats mayweather then he can't possibly be considered the best at welterwight as mayweather hasn't fought a top welterweight. If Mayweather beats Cotto or Williams I will hold him in very very high regard, just like anyone with half a boxing brain should do. Just like pacman should now be held in high regard after demolishing Hatton.

To be honest its all very confusing, he beats him is he better than him or not rubbish. All the comparison over different weights is just crap. Think you missed my point on darchinyan.....

To be honest, and i'm perfectly sure i'm not on my own, i just wish that there was one belt up for grabs in each division, then all this rubbish about whos best and p4p and moving up weights would be easier to make a judgement on. This p4p is a load of mythical tripe and should be left at that.

[luvfightgame]

Mayweather has created his own handicap with the double standard by proclaiming himself the best and even the greatest of all time. He doesn't do it the way Ali did and create an atmosphere when he's boasting, he just comes off like an ass.

When you tell everyone you're the greatest, then never have a great fight, not JUST because you're so good, but because you won't take a risk in the ring.

The problem is he's just like his dad, he makes these silly boasts and he doesn't have the personality to pull it off like Ali.

In contrast, I've never heard Pac proclaim himself as the greatest, nor did his trainer. If you let other people say it you don't get the hassle.

Jr. and Sr. need a publicist that is not related to them, that can explain to them how to get a decent public image.

[Taeth]

Mayweather has created his own handicap with the double standard by proclaiming himself the best and even the greatest of all time. He doesn't do it the way Ali did and create an atmosphere when he's boasting, he just comes off like an ass.

When you tell everyone you're the greatest, then never have a great fight, not JUST because you're so good, but because you won't take a risk in the ring.

The problem is he's just like his dad, he makes these silly boasts and he doesn't have the personality to pull it off like Ali.

In contrast, I've never heard Pac proclaim himself as the greatest, nor did his trainer. If you let other people say it you don't get the hassle.

Jr. and Sr. need a publicist that is not related to them, that can explain to them how to get a decent public image.

Ali didn't come of as an ass? Did you watch any of his interviews? I am sorry to say but Ali would be kicked out of boxing for half the crap he said back in the day. I love him, but he was a prick.

[TitoFan]

This topic sure stirs up a lot of emotion...



In any case, fact of the matter is: PBF is perceived to duck the best, particularly at the higher weights he's been in. Pacquiao is perceived to duck noone, fighting the best regardless. You can argue back and forth till the end of time. The perceptions are there.

Fact is, while PBF retires "on a whim" and goes off to Dance with the Stars and wrestle pro wrestlers... Pacquiao has been "nose to the grindstone", going up in weight and taking on the best.

So I shed no tears for "poor" little Floyd. Far as I'm concerned, he lost his p4p status a LONG time ago. He wants it back, he's gonna have to earn it. End of.

(Oh... and good choice on picking JMM there, Floyd. Attaway to stay out of harm's way by continuing to avoid the dangerous, bigger fighters.)

[ElTerribleMorales]

This topic sure stirs up a lot of emotion...



In any case, fact of the matter is: PBF is perceived to duck the best, particularly at the higher weights he's been in. Pacquiao is perceived to duck noone, fighting the best regardless. You can argue back and forth till the end of time. The perceptions are there.

Fact is, while PBF retires "on a whim" and goes off to Dance with the Stars and wrestle pro wrestlers... Pacquiao has been "nose to the grindstone", going up in weight and taking on the best.

So I shed no tears for "poor" little Floyd. Far as I'm concerned, he lost his p4p status a LONG time ago. He wants it back, he's gonna have to earn it. End of.

(Oh... and good choice on picking JMM there, Floyd. Attaway to stay out of harm's way by continuing to avoid the dangerous, bigger fighters.)

he started at 130, and just by looking at him you can tell he's no natural welterweight, and IMO his resume at 130 and 135 is a hell of a lot more impressive than Pacquiao's, but the not gonna bother arguing it until the actual PBF/PAC fight is on

[TitoFan]

This topic sure stirs up a lot of emotion...



In any case, fact of the matter is: PBF is perceived to duck the best, particularly at the higher weights he's been in. Pacquiao is perceived to duck noone, fighting the best regardless. You can argue back and forth till the end of time. The perceptions are there.

Fact is, while PBF retires "on a whim" and goes off to Dance with the Stars and wrestle pro wrestlers... Pacquiao has been "nose to the grindstone", going up in weight and taking on the best.

So I shed no tears for "poor" little Floyd. Far as I'm concerned, he lost his p4p status a LONG time ago. He wants it back, he's gonna have to earn it. End of.

(Oh... and good choice on picking JMM there, Floyd. Attaway to stay out of harm's way by continuing to avoid the dangerous, bigger fighters.)

he started at 130, and just by looking at him you can tell he's no natural welterweight, and IMO his resume at 130 and 135 is a hell of a lot more impressive than Pacquiao's, but the not gonna bother arguing it until the actual PBF/PAC fight is on

And Pac started out a lot lower than 130. So to me, it's six of one... half dozen of the other. I still feel the perceptions are out there. And IMO, it's up to Floyd to dispel those perceptions.

[josef4334]

This topic sure stirs up a lot of emotion...



In any case, fact of the matter is: PBF is perceived to duck the best, particularly at the higher weights he's been in. Pacquiao is perceived to duck noone, fighting the best regardless. You can argue back and forth till the end of time. The perceptions are there.

Fact is, while PBF retires "on a whim" and goes off to Dance with the Stars and wrestle pro wrestlers... Pacquiao has been "nose to the grindstone", going up in weight and taking on the best.

So I shed no tears for "poor" little Floyd. Far as I'm concerned, he lost his p4p status a LONG time ago. He wants it back, he's gonna have to earn it. End of.

(Oh... and good choice on picking JMM there, Floyd. Attaway to stay out of harm's way by continuing to avoid the dangerous, bigger fighters.)

he started at 130, and just by looking at him you can tell he's no natural welterweight, and IMO his resume at 130 and 135 is a hell of a lot more impressive than Pacquiao's, but the not gonna bother arguing it until the actual PBF/PAC fight is on

And Pac started out a lot lower than 130. So to me, it's six of one... half dozen of the other. I still feel the perceptions are out there. And IMO, it's up to Floyd to dispel those perceptions.

hey tito, better remind morales here that pac started at 106, he had to put metal bars on his pockets so he could fight. find anybody who started out at minimum weight that stopped at guy at 147 and ko a lineal champ at 140 in two rounds and ill never post here again.

[fan johnny]

This topic sure stirs up a lot of emotion...



In any case, fact of the matter is: PBF is perceived to duck the best, particularly at the higher weights he's been in. Pacquiao is perceived to duck noone, fighting the best regardless. You can argue back and forth till the end of time. The perceptions are there.

Fact is, while PBF retires "on a whim" and goes off to Dance with the Stars and wrestle pro wrestlers... Pacquiao has been "nose to the grindstone", going up in weight and taking on the best.

So I shed no tears for "poor" little Floyd. Far as I'm concerned, he lost his p4p status a LONG time ago. He wants it back, he's gonna have to earn it. End of.

(Oh... and good choice on picking JMM there, Floyd. Attaway to stay out of harm's way by continuing to avoid the dangerous, bigger fighters.)

he started at 130, and just by looking at him you can tell he's no natural welterweight, and IMO his resume at 130 and 135 is a hell of a lot more impressive than Pacquiao's, but the not gonna bother arguing it until the actual PBF/PAC fight is on

I understand its a hard pill for you to swallow but forget about it dude! Tito has it right! Floyd screwed his image all by himself and his mouth/timing didn't do him any favors either. (Too much attention whore syndrome)

[Julius Rain]

This topic sure stirs up a lot of emotion...



In any case, fact of the matter is: PBF is perceived to duck the best, particularly at the higher weights he's been in. Pacquiao is perceived to duck noone, fighting the best regardless. You can argue back and forth till the end of time. The perceptions are there.

Fact is, while PBF retires "on a whim" and goes off to Dance with the Stars and wrestle pro wrestlers... Pacquiao has been "nose to the grindstone", going up in weight and taking on the best.

So I shed no tears for "poor" little Floyd. Far as I'm concerned, he lost his p4p status a LONG time ago. He wants it back, he's gonna have to earn it. End of.

(Oh... and good choice on picking JMM there, Floyd. Attaway to stay out of harm's way by continuing to avoid the dangerous, bigger fighters.)

he started at 130, and just by looking at him you can tell he's no natural welterweight, and IMO his resume at 130 and 135 is a hell of a lot more impressive than Pacquiao's, but the not gonna bother arguing it until the actual PBF/PAC fight is on

So what is he then a natural lightweight? why dont he fight jmm at lightweight then since jmm is the number 1 lightweight or alteast fight him at 140.

floyds resume better then pac from 130 to 135

This topic sure stirs up a lot of emotion...



In any case, fact of the matter is: PBF is perceived to duck the best, particularly at the higher weights he's been in. Pacquiao is perceived to duck noone, fighting the best regardless. You can argue back and forth till the end of time. The perceptions are there.

Fact is, while PBF retires "on a whim" and goes off to Dance with the Stars and wrestle pro wrestlers... Pacquiao has been "nose to the grindstone", going up in weight and taking on the best.

So I shed no tears for "poor" little Floyd. Far as I'm concerned, he lost his p4p status a LONG time ago. He wants it back, he's gonna have to earn it. End of.

(Oh... and good choice on picking JMM there, Floyd. Attaway to stay out of harm's way by continuing to avoid the dangerous, bigger fighters.)

he started at 130, and just by looking at him you can tell he's no natural welterweight, and IMO his resume at 130 and 135 is a hell of a lot more impressive than Pacquiao's, but the not gonna bother arguing it until the actual PBF/PAC fight is on

I understand its a hard pill for you to swallow but forget about it dude! Tito has it right! Floyd screwed his image all by himself and his mouth/timing didn't do him any favors either. (Too much attention whore syndrome)

[ElTerribleMorales]

This topic sure stirs up a lot of emotion...



In any case, fact of the matter is: PBF is perceived to duck the best, particularly at the higher weights he's been in. Pacquiao is perceived to duck noone, fighting the best regardless. You can argue back and forth till the end of time. The perceptions are there.

Fact is, while PBF retires "on a whim" and goes off to Dance with the Stars and wrestle pro wrestlers... Pacquiao has been "nose to the grindstone", going up in weight and taking on the best.

So I shed no tears for "poor" little Floyd. Far as I'm concerned, he lost his p4p status a LONG time ago. He wants it back, he's gonna have to earn it. End of.

(Oh... and good choice on picking JMM there, Floyd. Attaway to stay out of harm's way by continuing to avoid the dangerous, bigger fighters.)

he started at 130, and just by looking at him you can tell he's no natural welterweight, and IMO his resume at 130 and 135 is a hell of a lot more impressive than Pacquiao's, but the not gonna bother arguing it until the actual PBF/PAC fight is on

So what is he then a natural lightweight? why dont he fight jmm at lightweight then since jmm is the number 1 lightweight or alteast fight him at 140.

floyds resume better then pac from 130 to 135

Mayweather

Genaro Hernandez (only had lost to DLH)

Angel Manfredy (his only losses at that point were early on in his career, and at that time this fight was also conisdered 50/50, Floyd easily blasted him out of there)

Diego Corrales (was undefeated, basically considered a 50/50 fight, and Floyd dominated in every way possible, Corrales went on to be the man at lightweight)

Carlos Hernandez (went on to win a world title and give Morales all he could handle)

Jesus Chavez (went on to win a title and also became the man at lightweight at one point)

Jose Luis Castillo (twice, first was controversial, but he boxed cirlces IMO easily against him in the rematch)

Pacquiao

Erik Morales (lost the first fight clearly, won twice, and by this point he already had lost to Raheem, leading to the suspicion that he was shot, it turned out to be true)

Barrera (first was a good win but that was at featherweight, second was the same as above)

Oscar Larios (jumped from Super Bantamweight, to Super Featherweight to fight Manny, and had just been beaten up badly by Vazquez)

Juan Manuel Marquez (many believe that Pacquiao didn't even win the fight)

and David Diaz (a shot Morales should have gotten the UD against Diaz, enough said)

not saying that Pacquiao isn't on Floyd's level overall, but the FACT is, in those two weight classes Mayweather had better wins