The Mayweather double standard.

[TitoFan]

This topic sure stirs up a lot of emotion...



In any case, fact of the matter is: PBF is perceived to duck the best, particularly at the higher weights he's been in. Pacquiao is perceived to duck noone, fighting the best regardless. You can argue back and forth till the end of time. The perceptions are there.

Fact is, while PBF retires "on a whim" and goes off to Dance with the Stars and wrestle pro wrestlers... Pacquiao has been "nose to the grindstone", going up in weight and taking on the best.

So I shed no tears for "poor" little Floyd. Far as I'm concerned, he lost his p4p status a LONG time ago. He wants it back, he's gonna have to earn it. End of.

(Oh... and good choice on picking JMM there, Floyd. Attaway to stay out of harm's way by continuing to avoid the dangerous, bigger fighters.)

[ElTerribleMorales]

This topic sure stirs up a lot of emotion...



In any case, fact of the matter is: PBF is perceived to duck the best, particularly at the higher weights he's been in. Pacquiao is perceived to duck noone, fighting the best regardless. You can argue back and forth till the end of time. The perceptions are there.

Fact is, while PBF retires "on a whim" and goes off to Dance with the Stars and wrestle pro wrestlers... Pacquiao has been "nose to the grindstone", going up in weight and taking on the best.

So I shed no tears for "poor" little Floyd. Far as I'm concerned, he lost his p4p status a LONG time ago. He wants it back, he's gonna have to earn it. End of.

(Oh... and good choice on picking JMM there, Floyd. Attaway to stay out of harm's way by continuing to avoid the dangerous, bigger fighters.)

he started at 130, and just by looking at him you can tell he's no natural welterweight, and IMO his resume at 130 and 135 is a hell of a lot more impressive than Pacquiao's, but the not gonna bother arguing it until the actual PBF/PAC fight is on

[TitoFan]

This topic sure stirs up a lot of emotion...



In any case, fact of the matter is: PBF is perceived to duck the best, particularly at the higher weights he's been in. Pacquiao is perceived to duck noone, fighting the best regardless. You can argue back and forth till the end of time. The perceptions are there.

Fact is, while PBF retires "on a whim" and goes off to Dance with the Stars and wrestle pro wrestlers... Pacquiao has been "nose to the grindstone", going up in weight and taking on the best.

So I shed no tears for "poor" little Floyd. Far as I'm concerned, he lost his p4p status a LONG time ago. He wants it back, he's gonna have to earn it. End of.

(Oh... and good choice on picking JMM there, Floyd. Attaway to stay out of harm's way by continuing to avoid the dangerous, bigger fighters.)

he started at 130, and just by looking at him you can tell he's no natural welterweight, and IMO his resume at 130 and 135 is a hell of a lot more impressive than Pacquiao's, but the not gonna bother arguing it until the actual PBF/PAC fight is on

And Pac started out a lot lower than 130. So to me, it's six of one... half dozen of the other. I still feel the perceptions are out there. And IMO, it's up to Floyd to dispel those perceptions.

[fan johnny]

This topic sure stirs up a lot of emotion...



In any case, fact of the matter is: PBF is perceived to duck the best, particularly at the higher weights he's been in. Pacquiao is perceived to duck noone, fighting the best regardless. You can argue back and forth till the end of time. The perceptions are there.

Fact is, while PBF retires "on a whim" and goes off to Dance with the Stars and wrestle pro wrestlers... Pacquiao has been "nose to the grindstone", going up in weight and taking on the best.

So I shed no tears for "poor" little Floyd. Far as I'm concerned, he lost his p4p status a LONG time ago. He wants it back, he's gonna have to earn it. End of.

(Oh... and good choice on picking JMM there, Floyd. Attaway to stay out of harm's way by continuing to avoid the dangerous, bigger fighters.)

he started at 130, and just by looking at him you can tell he's no natural welterweight, and IMO his resume at 130 and 135 is a hell of a lot more impressive than Pacquiao's, but the not gonna bother arguing it until the actual PBF/PAC fight is on

I understand its a hard pill for you to swallow but forget about it dude! Tito has it right! Floyd screwed his image all by himself and his mouth/timing didn't do him any favors either. (Too much attention whore syndrome)

[Julius Rain]

This topic sure stirs up a lot of emotion...



In any case, fact of the matter is: PBF is perceived to duck the best, particularly at the higher weights he's been in. Pacquiao is perceived to duck noone, fighting the best regardless. You can argue back and forth till the end of time. The perceptions are there.

Fact is, while PBF retires "on a whim" and goes off to Dance with the Stars and wrestle pro wrestlers... Pacquiao has been "nose to the grindstone", going up in weight and taking on the best.

So I shed no tears for "poor" little Floyd. Far as I'm concerned, he lost his p4p status a LONG time ago. He wants it back, he's gonna have to earn it. End of.

(Oh... and good choice on picking JMM there, Floyd. Attaway to stay out of harm's way by continuing to avoid the dangerous, bigger fighters.)

he started at 130, and just by looking at him you can tell he's no natural welterweight, and IMO his resume at 130 and 135 is a hell of a lot more impressive than Pacquiao's, but the not gonna bother arguing it until the actual PBF/PAC fight is on

So what is he then a natural lightweight? why dont he fight jmm at lightweight then since jmm is the number 1 lightweight or alteast fight him at 140.

floyds resume better then pac from 130 to 135

This topic sure stirs up a lot of emotion...



In any case, fact of the matter is: PBF is perceived to duck the best, particularly at the higher weights he's been in. Pacquiao is perceived to duck noone, fighting the best regardless. You can argue back and forth till the end of time. The perceptions are there.

Fact is, while PBF retires "on a whim" and goes off to Dance with the Stars and wrestle pro wrestlers... Pacquiao has been "nose to the grindstone", going up in weight and taking on the best.

So I shed no tears for "poor" little Floyd. Far as I'm concerned, he lost his p4p status a LONG time ago. He wants it back, he's gonna have to earn it. End of.

(Oh... and good choice on picking JMM there, Floyd. Attaway to stay out of harm's way by continuing to avoid the dangerous, bigger fighters.)

he started at 130, and just by looking at him you can tell he's no natural welterweight, and IMO his resume at 130 and 135 is a hell of a lot more impressive than Pacquiao's, but the not gonna bother arguing it until the actual PBF/PAC fight is on

I understand its a hard pill for you to swallow but forget about it dude! Tito has it right! Floyd screwed his image all by himself and his mouth/timing didn't do him any favors either. (Too much attention whore syndrome)

[NUCLEAR BULL]

alot of what the main poster says is fair dues..............however mayweather has taken some easier routes in the past, he's never come close to fighting, cotto, mosley, or margarito.....when he fought de la hoya it was a fight, it was follow the leader, may ran and de la followed......mayweather dents to now fight guys who are smaller, slower and at an age were they've maybe seen better days, dela hoya and marquez are in that tent, marquez is 35, has had some wars.........he retired rather then fight cotto, margarito and mosley....as a result cotto got beat by marg but both those guys knew they'd be in for a hard night and still fought each other....so cottos beat, margaritos banned, and mosleys 38.......again at an age were he's seen better days..............pac-man fought 3 top tough guys, mab, morales, and marquez..wars.....people like to watch warriors, they dont like cocky, rude, runners who avoid tough guys........thats just how many see it, mayweather avoided the true tests to his ability not to get beat in the last couple of years by not taking cotto, margarito and mosley

[josef4334]

This topic sure stirs up a lot of emotion...



In any case, fact of the matter is: PBF is perceived to duck the best, particularly at the higher weights he's been in. Pacquiao is perceived to duck noone, fighting the best regardless. You can argue back and forth till the end of time. The perceptions are there.

Fact is, while PBF retires "on a whim" and goes off to Dance with the Stars and wrestle pro wrestlers... Pacquiao has been "nose to the grindstone", going up in weight and taking on the best.

So I shed no tears for "poor" little Floyd. Far as I'm concerned, he lost his p4p status a LONG time ago. He wants it back, he's gonna have to earn it. End of.

(Oh... and good choice on picking JMM there, Floyd. Attaway to stay out of harm's way by continuing to avoid the dangerous, bigger fighters.)

he started at 130, and just by looking at him you can tell he's no natural welterweight, and IMO his resume at 130 and 135 is a hell of a lot more impressive than Pacquiao's, but the not gonna bother arguing it until the actual PBF/PAC fight is on

And Pac started out a lot lower than 130. So to me, it's six of one... half dozen of the other. I still feel the perceptions are out there. And IMO, it's up to Floyd to dispel those perceptions.

hey tito, better remind morales here that pac started at 106, he had to put metal bars on his pockets so he could fight. find anybody who started out at minimum weight that stopped at guy at 147 and ko a lineal champ at 140 in two rounds and ill never post here again.

[JonesJrMayweather]

your out of your fing mind

Maybe I am...I'm not hating on his skill but has Floyd EVER fought the 100% aboslute best of any weight class he's been in? Zab Judah? Carlos Baldomir? Arturo Gatti?

Miguel Cotto not only has a big fan base, he's a very good fighter...I don't buy that whole "inexperienced" bs for a second. His loss vs Margarito was a legit loss, it's hindsight that makes everyone say LOADED GLOVES and maybe that is right, we'll see in the future what happens with him.

Maybe Floyd never ducked anyone, but he sure as hell never went out of his way to fight the collective best of each division he set foot in, only recently has he really stepped his game up. He never even tried to unify titles.

I'm sorry, but as a boxing fan I feel cheated from Floyd Mayweather. He hasn't given the fans what they want....perhaps a fight with JMM or Pac can remedy that.

that is a short memory comment..floyd moved up from 130..answer this:

When floyd fought 33-0 corralles was corrales not the best? when he moved up to 135 and fought JLC twice was castillo not the best?

Even at WW, you and everyone else can cry about Judah and baldomir but the fact is Judah at one point had 3 of 4 WW belts and was the recognized Champ before he lost to Baldomir. and floyd beat both of them.

So now that floyd is at 147, many are asking him to face the naturally bigger guys who have been there since they began...

So then manny should be asked to face, mosely, cotto, williams, witter, berto, and so forth. Because manny didnt face baby bull, nate campbell, zahir raheem; who soundedly beat morrales more clear than barrera and before pacman. what about Acelino? Casamayor? and so forth. In fact I can remember watching the Raheem/morralles fight where manny and his camp sat and watched Zahir school morralles, the immediate conclusion was don't put manny anywhere near a slick fight like raheem. NOW IF THEY FIGURE RAHEEM WOULD SCHOOL MANNY....IS THERE A REASON TO EVEN CONSIDER WHAT FLOYD OR MOSELY WOULD DO TO HIM??

[levi#1BoxingFan]

Although in the past i bashed Mayweather for not facing Cotto and others, I won't critisize him facing JMM. JMM is a true warrior and even though he is the smaller man I don't believe this is a cherry pick at all. JMM was the one to call Mayweather out in the first place so theres no way to talk bad about him for this. I believe JMM will give Floyd a heck of a fight and im really looking forward to it. I think the main reason people give Mayweather crap and praise Pacquiao is because Mayweather is the bigger man and hasn't put opponets like DLH and Hatton away in such dominating fassion. People know that Pacquiao started his career at 106 while Floyd was around 130. Mayweather at times does what it takes to win while Pacquiao goes for flashy knockouts, which makes Pacquiao kinda of a Gladiator (and people love blood, guts, and knockouts!). Also Mayweather is an easy person to hate while Manny is a really likeable guy. Even though I don't like Mayweather I will have to give him credit because he is good for boxing and everyone needs a bad guy, he fits the role perfectly! If these two meet in the ring im pulling for Manny and I think he's got what it takes to win, because right now Pacquiao is in the prime of his prime!

[ElTerribleMorales]

This topic sure stirs up a lot of emotion...



In any case, fact of the matter is: PBF is perceived to duck the best, particularly at the higher weights he's been in. Pacquiao is perceived to duck noone, fighting the best regardless. You can argue back and forth till the end of time. The perceptions are there.

Fact is, while PBF retires "on a whim" and goes off to Dance with the Stars and wrestle pro wrestlers... Pacquiao has been "nose to the grindstone", going up in weight and taking on the best.

So I shed no tears for "poor" little Floyd. Far as I'm concerned, he lost his p4p status a LONG time ago. He wants it back, he's gonna have to earn it. End of.

(Oh... and good choice on picking JMM there, Floyd. Attaway to stay out of harm's way by continuing to avoid the dangerous, bigger fighters.)

he started at 130, and just by looking at him you can tell he's no natural welterweight, and IMO his resume at 130 and 135 is a hell of a lot more impressive than Pacquiao's, but the not gonna bother arguing it until the actual PBF/PAC fight is on

So what is he then a natural lightweight? why dont he fight jmm at lightweight then since jmm is the number 1 lightweight or alteast fight him at 140.

floyds resume better then pac from 130 to 135

Mayweather

Genaro Hernandez (only had lost to DLH)

Angel Manfredy (his only losses at that point were early on in his career, and at that time this fight was also conisdered 50/50, Floyd easily blasted him out of there)

Diego Corrales (was undefeated, basically considered a 50/50 fight, and Floyd dominated in every way possible, Corrales went on to be the man at lightweight)

Carlos Hernandez (went on to win a world title and give Morales all he could handle)

Jesus Chavez (went on to win a title and also became the man at lightweight at one point)

Jose Luis Castillo (twice, first was controversial, but he boxed cirlces IMO easily against him in the rematch)

Pacquiao

Erik Morales (lost the first fight clearly, won twice, and by this point he already had lost to Raheem, leading to the suspicion that he was shot, it turned out to be true)

Barrera (first was a good win but that was at featherweight, second was the same as above)

Oscar Larios (jumped from Super Bantamweight, to Super Featherweight to fight Manny, and had just been beaten up badly by Vazquez)

Juan Manuel Marquez (many believe that Pacquiao didn't even win the fight)

and David Diaz (a shot Morales should have gotten the UD against Diaz, enough said)

not saying that Pacquiao isn't on Floyd's level overall, but the FACT is, in those two weight classes Mayweather had better wins

[levi#1BoxingFan]

ahh come on man? Your taking mayweather's wins and buttering them up getting every possible good detail you can think of and then taking Pacquiao's wins and trying to find every negative detail. Be fair to them, their both great fighters.

[ElTerribleMorales]

ahh come on man? Your taking mayweather's wins and buttering them up getting every possible good detail you can think of and then taking Pacquiao's wins and trying to find every negative detail. Be fair to them, their both great fighters.

i'm no fan per say of either fighter, don't nut hug like some other bandwagon fans, both are great fighers, but there is no question that Mayweather completed more in those 2 weight classes than Manny

[Master]

At 140lb Maywaether lost his mojo, before that he was destined to be an ATG, now he is no better than the come back of Ray Leonard (post Hagler) hand picking smaller opponents and making them fight at his weight when there are much more dangerous fighters in the same division.

[osncoll_0716]

Its this simple, Pacquiao has no qualms about fighting Floyd Mayweather. If Floyd doesnt fight him, then we all know what Roach has determined all along, that Mayweather is scared. There should be no reason for him not to accept a fight with PAC especially if he is wiling to fight Marquez. The only way to determine who the p4p best is if these two fight...but im with Roach I think Mayweather will duck Pac.....and make up stupid excuses.....weve all seen it before...He'll beat Marquez and make up excuses not fighting pac to end the issue....as for pac avoiding "boxers", when they make a name for themselves and are a worthy investment he'll have no qualms fighting them..... He's willing to fight mayweather and marquez right......Double standard for Mayweather He's fighting Marquez instead of Pac? Running and ducking again......

[levi#1BoxingFan]

ahh come on man? Your taking mayweather's wins and buttering them up getting every possible good detail you can think of and then taking Pacquiao's wins and trying to find every negative detail. Be fair to them, their both great fighters.

i'm no fan per say of either fighter, don't nut hug like some other bandwagon fans, both are great fighers, but there is no question that Mayweather completed more in those 2 weight classes than Manny

No no no my friend! Pound for pound Barrera and Marquez are far better than castillo, corrales ect. Barrera and Marquez will be in the hall of fame someday, they wont! I'd put my entire bank account on either Barrera and Marquez knocking castillo and Corrales out! As if their skills in the ring wern't enough, their hearts are much bigger than those two! I've seen both C's give up in fights and that just doesn't happen with Marco and Juan and you'd have to be an ignoramous not to see that, but then again I am speaking to elterrible!