Roach says "Manny will fight shane at 142 not 147"

[XaduBoxer]

You guys are so full of it! Weight advantages are just part of the game. Some play the game better than others. As a clear example "Paul Williams" has been fighting "welterweight" two weight-classes below where he should have been beating smaller guys. Hatton is another example of a fighter that has been taking advantage of smaller fighters. Unless the 24-hour weigh-in is changed to a 2-hour weigh-in then the weight thing will be an advantage some fighters can use. Roach is playing hard in the negotiations, because Mosley campaigning hard for Mega bout. Catch weight is the best Mosley can do and Roach already said after the De La Hoya fight 144lbs.

than if he wants a catch weight he should drop all this 7 weight class champion bullshit

He can possibly get his 7th division title from a Urango or a Berto if he wants to and the only boxer to do so if successful (what a legacy!)... The 7th weight class title won't come from a Mosley or a Cotto or a Clottey...
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[XaduBoxer]

BTW, what's the fuzz about catchweights?? If the boxers agreed to fight in a catchweight then he believed he can win that fight in that catchweight...

Or he was forced to agree to a catchweight because the other boxer has more say, has more negotiating power, more popular and dictates the conditions of the fight...

Simple as that...
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[blegit]

BTW, what's the fuzz about catchweights?? If the boxers agreed to fight in a catchweight then he believed he can win that fight in that catchweight...

Or he was forced to agree to a catchweight because the other boxer has more say, has more negotiating power, more popular and dictates the conditions of the fight...

Simple as that...
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These aren't catchweights they are weight drained weights. There is a real and dangerous difference.

[XaduBoxer]

BTW, what's the fuzz about catchweights?? If the boxers agreed to fight in a catchweight then he believed he can win that fight in that catchweight...

Or he was forced to agree to a catchweight because the other boxer has more say, has more negotiating power, more popular and dictates the conditions of the fight...

Simple as that...
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These aren't catchweights they are weight drained weights. There is a real and dangerous difference.

As I've said, if the boxers agree to fight in a "weight-drained weight" then it's their sole responsibility to perform at that agreed "weight"... I think most of them agree to that "weight" and at the same time believed they can win the fight at that "weight"...

Some maybe are forced to agree to a certain "weight" but still accepted the fight because of other factors like money, moolah, dinero, fame, glory, legacy, etc.

If they (or their fans??) are really not comfortable of that certain "weight" then they should not accept the fight... Simple as that...
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[blegit]

BTW, what's the fuzz about catchweights?? If the boxers agreed to fight in a catchweight then he believed he can win that fight in that catchweight...

Or he was forced to agree to a catchweight because the other boxer has more say, has more negotiating power, more popular and dictates the conditions of the fight...

Simple as that...
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These aren't catchweights they are weight drained weights. There is a real and dangerous difference.

As I've said, if the boxers agree to fight in a "weight-drained weight" then it's their sole responsibility to perform at that agreed "weight"... I think most of them agree to that "weight" and at the same time believed they can win the fight at that "weight"...

Some maybe are forced to agree to a certain "weight" but still accepted the fight because of other factors like money, moolah, dinero, fame, glory, legacy, etc.

If they (or their fans??) are really not comfortable of that certain "weight" then they should not accept the fight... Simple as that...
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You're right the fighters should not accept the fight at these weights. But call it what it is though. This is a tactful way of not fighting someone unless you can almost guarantee they are ineffective. I won't fight this fighter unless they come down to a weight they haven't seen in many years. And that was in their youth. This is worse than pricing yourself out of a fight. PBF is getting all kinds of criticism for fighting JMM at a catchweight. And thats a real catchweight. JMM will be the smaller fighter but neither will be drained. I do agree with Roach that JMM's power has seemed to step up with his weight developing.

[XaduBoxer]

These aren't catchweights they are weight drained weights. There is a real and dangerous difference.

As I've said, if the boxers agree to fight in a "weight-drained weight" then it's their sole responsibility to perform at that agreed "weight"... I think most of them agree to that "weight" and at the same time believed they can win the fight at that "weight"...

Some maybe are forced to agree to a certain "weight" but still accepted the fight because of other factors like money, moolah, dinero, fame, glory, legacy, etc.

If they (or their fans??) are really not comfortable of that certain "weight" then they should not accept the fight... Simple as that...
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You're right the fighters should not accept the fight at these weights. But call it what it is though. This is a tactful way of not fighting someone unless you can almost guarantee they are ineffective. I won't fight this fighter unless they come down to a weight they haven't seen in many years. And that was in their youth. This is worse than pricing yourself out of a fight. PBF is getting all kinds of criticism for fighting JMM at a catchweight. And thats a real catchweight. JMM will be the smaller fighter but neither will be drained. I do agree with Roach that JMM's power has seemed to step up with his weight developing.

It's Mosley who's been chasing the Pacquiao fight... PAC's coach said it, he's just protecting his boxer... No need for PAC to fight Mosley at 147... PAC might just wait for the winner of PBF-JMM...

[Howlin Mad Missy]

As I've said, if the boxers agree to fight in a "weight-drained weight" then it's their sole responsibility to perform at that agreed "weight"... I think most of them agree to that "weight" and at the same time believed they can win the fight at that "weight"...

Some maybe are forced to agree to a certain "weight" but still accepted the fight because of other factors like money, moolah, dinero, fame, glory, legacy, etc.

If they (or their fans??) are really not comfortable of that certain "weight" then they should not accept the fight... Simple as that...
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You're right the fighters should not accept the fight at these weights. But call it what it is though. This is a tactful way of not fighting someone unless you can almost guarantee they are ineffective. I won't fight this fighter unless they come down to a weight they haven't seen in many years. And that was in their youth. This is worse than pricing yourself out of a fight. PBF is getting all kinds of criticism for fighting JMM at a catchweight. And thats a real catchweight. JMM will be the smaller fighter but neither will be drained. I do agree with Roach that JMM's power has seemed to step up with his weight developing.

It's Mosley who's been chasing the Pacquiao fight... PAC's coach said it, he's just protecting his boxer... No need for PAC to fight Mosley at 147... PAC might just wait for the winner of PBF-JMM...

He mentioned fighting Mosley before the Hatton fight.

If there is no need for Pac to fight him why say it's an option? If it's not an option say there is no way they'll fight not talk up some crap about a stupid 'catchweight'. Another thing if Roach gave a shit about other boxers he wouldn't insist on them dropping weight to fight Pac.

By rabbiting on in the public eye about it he is putting pressure on fighters to sign.

They should stick together and go tell Roach/Pac to screw themselves. If the other big names refuse these conditions Pas gets frozen out at true world level. They need to realise it takes two big names to make a fight legit.

Wanna play hardball? Come sign with Missy. I'll look after a fighter

[Rantcatrat]

These aren't catchweights they are weight drained weights. There is a real and dangerous difference.

As I've said, if the boxers agree to fight in a "weight-drained weight" then it's their sole responsibility to perform at that agreed "weight"... I think most of them agree to that "weight" and at the same time believed they can win the fight at that "weight"...

Some maybe are forced to agree to a certain "weight" but still accepted the fight because of other factors like money, moolah, dinero, fame, glory, legacy, etc.

If they (or their fans??) are really not comfortable of that certain "weight" then they should not accept the fight... Simple as that...
.

You're right the fighters should not accept the fight at these weights. But call it what it is though. This is a tactful way of not fighting someone unless you can almost guarantee they are ineffective. I won't fight this fighter unless they come down to a weight they haven't seen in many years. And that was in their youth. This is worse than pricing yourself out of a fight. PBF is getting all kinds of criticism for fighting JMM at a catchweight. And thats a real catchweight. JMM will be the smaller fighter but neither will be drained. I do agree with Roach that JMM's power has seemed to step up with his weight developing.

Floyd is getting the criticism because there are a ton of elite, tough welterweights out there and he chose to fight Marquez, whose last fight was at 135, and has made a career at 130 and below. Floyd has five fights where he could fight boxers who won't be smaller and won't be weight drained. And on that note, other than Oscar, when has Floyd fought a bigger fighter?

It is more that from a fan's perspective, I want to see Floyd challenged. I'm bored seeing him fight smaller men so he can showcase his skills.

[RP33]

As I've said, if the boxers agree to fight in a "weight-drained weight" then it's their sole responsibility to perform at that agreed "weight"... I think most of them agree to that "weight" and at the same time believed they can win the fight at that "weight"...

Some maybe are forced to agree to a certain "weight" but still accepted the fight because of other factors like money, moolah, dinero, fame, glory, legacy, etc.

If they (or their fans??) are really not comfortable of that certain "weight" then they should not accept the fight... Simple as that...
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You're right the fighters should not accept the fight at these weights. But call it what it is though. This is a tactful way of not fighting someone unless you can almost guarantee they are ineffective. I won't fight this fighter unless they come down to a weight they haven't seen in many years. And that was in their youth. This is worse than pricing yourself out of a fight. PBF is getting all kinds of criticism for fighting JMM at a catchweight. And thats a real catchweight. JMM will be the smaller fighter but neither will be drained. I do agree with Roach that JMM's power has seemed to step up with his weight developing.

Floyd is getting the criticism because there are a ton of elite, tough welterweights out there and he chose to fight Marquez, whose last fight was at 135, and has made a career at 130 and below. Floyd has five fights where he could fight boxers who won't be smaller and won't be weight drained. And on that note, other than Oscar, when has Floyd fought a bigger fighter?

It is more that from a fan's perspective, I want to see Floyd challenged. I'm bored seeing him fight smaller men so he can showcase his skills.

You're making it seem like Floyd is a monster puncher who keeps KO'ing smaller guys.. Floyd has fought PLENTY of guys his size throughout his career, and several guys that are bigger.. besides DLH.. Diego Corrales was undefeated and had tons of power at 135 and floyd took him out..

i will agree that there are "bigger" guys to fight at WW, but if he lost to a margarito or a clottey or a paul williams couldn't you play devils advocate and say that they beat a guy who moved up in weight and only fought "smaller" guys at 147 while he was in the weight class?

bigger and smaller are relative terms..

as far as manny saying he'd fight shane at 142 and not 147, does that mean he wouldn't fight floyd at 147 either? Interesting concept..

It comes down to is roach worried that 147 is too high for manny? or does he just not want moseley at his best weight.. if you asked him, i'm sure he would say that it's too high a weight for manny but we all know that it's really because he wants moseley to be drained.

[killersheep]

As I've said, if the boxers agree to fight in a "weight-drained weight" then it's their sole responsibility to perform at that agreed "weight"... I think most of them agree to that "weight" and at the same time believed they can win the fight at that "weight"...

Some maybe are forced to agree to a certain "weight" but still accepted the fight because of other factors like money, moolah, dinero, fame, glory, legacy, etc.

If they (or their fans??) are really not comfortable of that certain "weight" then they should not accept the fight... Simple as that...
.

You're right the fighters should not accept the fight at these weights. But call it what it is though. This is a tactful way of not fighting someone unless you can almost guarantee they are ineffective. I won't fight this fighter unless they come down to a weight they haven't seen in many years. And that was in their youth. This is worse than pricing yourself out of a fight. PBF is getting all kinds of criticism for fighting JMM at a catchweight. And thats a real catchweight. JMM will be the smaller fighter but neither will be drained. I do agree with Roach that JMM's power has seemed to step up with his weight developing.

Floyd is getting the criticism because there are a ton of elite, tough welterweights out there and he chose to fight Marquez, whose last fight was at 135, and has made a career at 130 and below. Floyd has five fights where he could fight boxers who won't be smaller and won't be weight drained. And on that note, other than Oscar, when has Floyd fought a bigger fighter?

It is more that from a fan's perspective, I want to see Floyd challenged. I'm bored seeing him fight smaller men so he can showcase his skills.

Undefeated Diego Corrales comes to mind.

[AdamGB]

BTW, what's the fuzz about catchweights?? If the boxers agreed to fight in a catchweight then he believed he can win that fight in that catchweight...

Or he was forced to agree to a catchweight because the other boxer has more say, has more negotiating power, more popular and dictates the conditions of the fight...

Simple as that...
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So first you say that Mosely wants to fight at 142 (It has nothing to do with getting a paid of course) and then you say that he has to fight at 142 because Pac is the bigger name right now.



Either way he is getting coaxed past his fighting weight with the promise of a massive Pay Day... Roach knows exactly what he is doing... don't see how even the biggest pac groupie can deny it.

[XaduBoxer]

BTW, what's the fuzz about catchweights?? If the boxers agreed to fight in a catchweight then he believed he can win that fight in that catchweight...

Or he was forced to agree to a catchweight because the other boxer has more say, has more negotiating power, more popular and dictates the conditions of the fight...

Simple as that...
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So first you say that Mosely wants to fight at 142 (It has nothing to do with getting a paid of course) and then you say that he has to fight at 142 because Pac is the bigger name right now.



Either way he is getting coaxed past his fighting weight with the promise of a massive Pay Day... Roach knows exactly what he is doing... don't see how even the biggest pac groupie can deny it.

No and no... Fact is it's Roach who wants Mosley to fight PAC at 142 and Mosley said he can't do it... End of story...

My post above didn't refer to any boxer or boxers in particular... It's a general opinion of mine that if a boxer agrees to fight at a certain agreed "catchweight" then of course that boxer believes that he can both make the weight and win the fight...

If the boxer thinks he can't make the weight and/or win the fight then he shouldn't accept the fight...
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[AdamGB]

BTW, what's the fuzz about catchweights?? If the boxers agreed to fight in a catchweight then he believed he can win that fight in that catchweight...

Or he was forced to agree to a catchweight because the other boxer has more say, has more negotiating power, more popular and dictates the conditions of the fight...

Simple as that...
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So first you say that Mosely wants to fight at 142 (It has nothing to do with getting a paid of course) and then you say that he has to fight at 142 because Pac is the bigger name right now.



Either way he is getting coaxed past his fighting weight with the promise of a massive Pay Day... Roach knows exactly what he is doing... don't see how even the biggest pac groupie can deny it.

No and no... Fact is it's Roach who wants Mosley to fight PAC at 142 and Mosley said he can't do it... End of story...

My post above didn't refer to any boxer or boxers in particular... It's a general opinion of mine that if a boxer agrees to fight at a certain agreed "catchweight" then of course that boxer believes that he can both make the weight and win the fight...

If the boxer thinks he can't make the weight and/or win the fight then he shouldn't accept the fight...
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yeah and my point is that even if they have doubts over making the weight or performing well at it, the millions of dollars that are on the table are enough to make them reconsider... Roach knows this which is why he's trying to talk these guys down so Pac can look good against another weight drained Marquee name...

If Roach is so confident in Pac's ability against these bigger fighters he should be letting them fight at their weight... so they won't fuck about.
Fight against 147 pound fighters or fight against 140 pound fighters... either way just shut your face and do it properly.

[AdamGB]

Exactly JT... you don't see PBF dragging ODLH down a weight class or even knocking a few pounds off 154 and having a catchweight.

FLoyd wasn't big enough to get to 154... he knew he was going to come in at 149-150 but he let oscar fight at his weight anyway.

One things for sure: Oscar didn't have to rehydrate using an IV line against Floyd... shame he did against Pacquio.

[fan johnny]

What! People were saying Pacquiao is too small to fight at 147? Hell they were saying that he was too small for 140.