Anybody think Pac has lost 5 fights and JMM has only lost 1??

[OumaFan]

Taeth's trying to be racist Its good to have goals.

He wasn't even referring to you as far as I know, he was talking about GeneralBulldog's thread about how European fighters are overrated.

[The Fightfan]

This is an arguement I always get into with my brother besides Mike Tyson being the greatest before Don King. I say Maquez won both fight's,making Pac look like an amatuer by throwing and missing a ton of punches. It seems all Pacquiao fans point to the knockdowns ok well what about the rounds were Pac couldn't land more than 10 punches in a round. Anyway I always thought it was funny that the judges from the first fight thought Marquez won the second fight and vice versa. Just amusing that's all. MARQUEZ all the way.

[Taeth]

This is an arguement I always get into with my brother besides Mike Tyson being the greatest before Don King. I say Maquez won both fight's,making Pac look like an amatuer by throwing and missing a ton of punches. It seems all Pacquiao fans point to the knockdowns ok well what about the rounds were Pac couldn't land more than 10 punches in a round. Anyway I always thought it was funny that the judges from the first fight thought Marquez won the second fight and vice versa. Just amusing that's all. MARQUEZ all the way.

First fight definitely, second fight they landed pretty much evenly, and though Marquez was a little bit better with technique and timing, Pacquiao evened it up with his physical gifts. I don't think anyone would argue that either guy could not win on any given night, I just say that in that fight that happened Pacquiao clearly won more fights.

[miron_lang]

Each fighter won 2 rounds each CLEARLY!!!!!!

that means 8 rounds is up for grabs... what does that tell you? it boils down to subjectivity in scoring close rounds and 8 rounds are close.

2 Respected judges Duane Ford and Jerry Roth cancelled each other out so the youngest Judge Miller had the fight for Pacquiao by 1 point.

Press people and Gerry Roth ( JMM) were seating in the same row. ALL press people who had it for JMM were equally happy for a pac victory because 8 fucking rounds were very close nobody disputed the verdict among the press. In addition Pac got 3 points for the 2 rounds that he clearly won.


Pacquiao WON officially. It would be more of an injustice if JMM was awarded the victory.

[brucelee]

Each fighter won 2 rounds each CLEARLY!!!!!!

that means 8 rounds is up for grabs... what does that tell you? it boils down to subjectivity in scoring close rounds and 8 rounds are close.

2 Respected judges Duane Ford and Jerry Roth cancelled each other out so the youngest Judge Miller had the fight for Pacquiao by 1 point.

Press people and Gerry Roth ( JMM) were seating in the same row. ALL press people who had it for JMM were equally happy for a pac victory because 8 fucking rounds were very close nobody disputed the verdict among the press. In addition Pac got 3 points for the 2 rounds that he clearly won.





Pacquiao WON officially. It would be more of an injustice if JMM was awarded the victory.

Well said. So tired of all these haters trying to sound like boxing fans.


Oumafan, you're on the right track.

[Gandalf]

get over it.. the verdict is there.. why is it that nobody does what pac did to marquez? if marquez is really that great how come he is having a hard time beating a very limited pac version? you guys are unbelievable.. nobody mentions here why pac leave the 130 division.. he is having a hard time making the weight when he fought jmm..

What is a verdict when it is faulty? How come nobody has done to Pac what Marquez did? Which was to win significantly more rounds than he lost against Manny. He certainly isn't all that bad is he now.

[antimoron]

get over it.. the verdict is there.. why is it that nobody does what pac did to marquez? if marquez is really that great how come he is having a hard time beating a very limited pac version? you guys are unbelievable.. nobody mentions here why pac leave the 130 division.. he is having a hard time making the weight when he fought jmm..

What is a verdict when it is faulty? How come nobody has done to Pac what Marquez did? Which was to win significantly more rounds than he lost against Manny. He certainly isn't all that bad is he now.

verdict is pac win by a razor thin SD.. it can be either way.. its a close fight not the way you guys seem to imply that its like a robbery.. well pac was beaten shit convincingly by midget flyweights thats what marquez cant do to pac.. no disrespect mate... Marquez is a badass but come on he is having a hard time with pac.. vice versa..

[Gandalf]

get over it.. the verdict is there.. why is it that nobody does what pac did to marquez? if marquez is really that great how come he is having a hard time beating a very limited pac version? you guys are unbelievable.. nobody mentions here why pac leave the 130 division.. he is having a hard time making the weight when he fought jmm..

What is a verdict when it is faulty? How come nobody has done to Pac what Marquez did? Which was to win significantly more rounds than he lost against Manny. He certainly isn't all that bad is he now.

verdict is pac win by a razor thin SD.. it can be either way.. its a close fight not the way you guys seem to imply that its like a robbery.. well pac was beaten shit convincingly by midget flyweights thats what marquez cant do to pac.. no disrespect mate... Marquez is a badass but come on he is having a hard time with pac.. vice versa..

That is true and I don't disagree with you there. They were quality fights and pretty tight too. I just think Pac got a little sweet with the verdicts though. I want to see it again, but it waits to be seen if that might happen or not.

[ICB]

get over it.. the verdict is there.. why is it that nobody does what pac did to marquez? if marquez is really that great how come he is having a hard time beating a very limited pac version? you guys are unbelievable.. nobody mentions here why pac leave the 130 division.. he is having a hard time making the weight when he fought jmm..

What is a verdict when it is faulty? How come nobody has done to Pac what Marquez did? Which was to win significantly more rounds than he lost against Manny. He certainly isn't all that bad is he now.

verdict is pac win by a razor thin SD.. it can be either way.. its a close fight not the way you guys seem to imply that its like a robbery.. well pac was beaten shit convincingly by midget flyweights thats what marquez cant do to pac.. no disrespect mate... Marquez is a badass but come on he is having a hard time with pac.. vice versa..

No one's implying that i think JMM won both fights, but i think they were both close fights i only had him winning both fights by 1 point. Its just Taeth said the only people that would have JMM winning are Mexican/Spanish when thats not true. Its nothing to do with where they come from its just to do with different opinions.

[KananKrus]

The "moonwalk" + razor counters is Pacquiao's Kryptonite. JMM epmtied all the shelves for those!

[Chino]

- Nonito Donaire:114-113 Marquez
- Filipino Sports Analysts Ronnie Nathanielsz, Recah Trinidad and Ed Picson all picked Marquez

I remember when JC Chavez faced Whitaker. Even Mexican newspapers, sports channels, sports magazines, etc. In Mexico and in the USA questioned JC Chavez draw. I would never imagine Filipino press or boxing enthusiasts questioning Pac.
I'll say that the KO on the 2nd fight helped Pac a lot to get a decision even if JMM won most rounds. The KO can cause a big impact in anybody's eyes.

im certainly not Spanish/Mexican

I don't understand why we latins/hispanics are called "Spanish" many times, is it because of the language we speak that people get confused with us being Spaniards or something? It would be like people calling Australians and Americans, English, or calling all Asians, Chinese. Don't you think?

[OumaFan]

I don't get people who act like JMM won both fights clearly, they were both close fights that could have gone the other way.

[Taeth]

- Nonito Donaire:114-113 Marquez
- Filipino Sports Analysts Ronnie Nathanielsz, Recah Trinidad and Ed Picson all picked Marquez

I remember when JC Chavez faced Whitaker. Even Mexican newspapers, sports channels, sports magazines, etc. In Mexico and in the USA questioned JC Chavez draw. I would never imagine Filipino press or boxing enthusiasts questioning Pac.
I'll say that the KO on the 2nd fight helped Pac a lot to get a decision even if JMM won most rounds. The KO can cause a big impact in anybody's eyes.

im certainly not Spanish/Mexican

I don't understand why we latins/hispanics are called "Spanish" many times, is it because of the language we speak that people get confused with us being Spaniards or something? It would be like people calling Australians and Americans, English, or calling all Asians, Chinese. Don't you think?

Because half of the people in latin america have spanish decent, if you look back to Spain coming over, only a very slight part of the mexican people are still fully Aztec or Mayan. I didn't mean for this to be a racist thing, I just saw prodominantly spanish people toute Marquez won, I guess I was wrong.

ICB, which rounds did you give to Marquez exactly?

[ElTerribleMorales]

- Nonito Donaire:114-113 Marquez
- Filipino Sports Analysts Ronnie Nathanielsz, Recah Trinidad and Ed Picson all picked Marquez

I remember when JC Chavez faced Whitaker. Even Mexican newspapers, sports channels, sports magazines, etc. In Mexico and in the USA questioned JC Chavez draw. I would never imagine Filipino press or boxing enthusiasts questioning Pac.
I'll say that the KO on the 2nd fight helped Pac a lot to get a decision even if JMM won most rounds. The KO can cause a big impact in anybody's eyes.

im certainly not Spanish/Mexican

I don't understand why we latins/hispanics are called "Spanish" many times, is it because of the language we speak that people get confused with us being Spaniards or something? It would be like people calling Australians and Americans, English, or calling all Asians, Chinese. Don't you think?

Because half of the people in latin america have spanish decent, if you look back to Spain coming over, only a very slight part of the mexican people are still fully Aztec or Mayan. I didn't mean for this to be a racist thing, I just saw prodominantly spanish people toute Marquez won, I guess I was wrong.

ICB, which rounds did you give to Marquez exactly?

yup gotta go with Taeth on this one, i get what he's trying to say on the bold bit is that most of the population in what are now latin american countries are spanish influenced due to the conquistador's and such, Puerto Rico in specific derives mainly of 3 cultures, Taino, African, and Spanish, and Mexico can't forget that most of the original Aztec or Mayan people were whiped out by illness, mainly the small pox, same as the Taino's here in PR, and well like in pretty much every country in the world, there is no such thing as a PURE race, but yea i disagree with the mainly latinos believing Marquez won bit, that's like saying mainly only Filipino's believe that Pacquiao won, i think there is a good mix of nationalities that believe Marquez won