Anybody think Pac has lost 5 fights and JMM has only lost 1??

[CFH]

I had Pacman winning the first fight by 1 point and losing the 2nd fight by 3 points. Still when it comes to decisions, it's all subjective.

Let's not try to diminish a great fighter's talent and abilities just because you don't agree with the decision.

Yeah, it's much better to do so based on their nationality, right?

[BIG H]

I had Pacman winning the first fight by 1 point and losing the 2nd fight by 3 points. Still when it comes to decisions, it's all subjective.

Let's not try to diminish a great fighter's talent and abilities just because you don't agree with the decision.

Yeah, it's much better to do so based on their nationality, right?

[generalbulldog]

I had Pacman winning the first fight by 1 point and losing the 2nd fight by 3 points. Still when it comes to decisions, it's all subjective.

Let's not try to diminish a great fighter's talent and abilities just because you don't agree with the decision.

Yeah, it's much better to do so based on their nationality, right?

If you're talking about Euro fighters, I said they were hyped which is my opinion, but did I diminish their fighting abilities or heart? No of course not.

Hamed? Hatton? Calzaghe? And I'll defend my view that Calzaghe fought a 43 year old past his prime Hopkins and a 39 year old Roy Jones, so yeah that gets no credit with me. Hatton? Never denied he was a decent fighter, not elite like some people were pumping him up. Just like some peoplle think Floyd ducks fighters or that Pacman is a pussy for fighting a DeLaHoya at 147 who was weight drained and should have fought him at 154 to make the fight "fair". lol All opinions nothing more or less.

[BIG H]

I had Pacman winning the first fight by 1 point and losing the 2nd fight by 3 points. Still when it comes to decisions, it's all subjective.

Let's not try to diminish a great fighter's talent and abilities just because you don't agree with the decision.

Yeah, it's much better to do so based on their nationality, right?

If you're talking about Euro fighters, I said they were hyped which is my opinion, but did I diminish their fighting abilities or heart? No of course not.

Hamed? Hatton? Calzaghe? And I'll defend my view that Calzaghe fought a 43 year old past his prime Hopkins and a 39 year old Roy Jones, so yeah that gets no credit with me. Hatton? Never denied he was a decent fighter, not elite like some people were pumping him up. Just like some peoplle think Floyd ducks fighters or that Pacman is a pussy for fighting a DeLaHoya at 147 who was weight drained and should have fought him at 154 to make the fight "fair". lol All opinions nothing more or less.

Bernard Hopkins best performances have all arguably come post 40 years old. The Pavlik performance (which was after JC) is the best version of Hopkins I have seen. Calzaghe also beat the Middle weight Mike Tyson, superbowl poster boy, future of American boxing (but of course he was just hype ) aswell as beating Kessler. He also fought Brewer, Mitchell, Woodhall, Eubank, Reid (all World Champions) You can make excuses for anybodies record, and Calzaghe's wasn't fantastic, but it was solid!!

Who did Hopkins fight in 10 years as Middleweight king??

Who prime fighters did RJJ fight in his Pomp at SMW and LHW?

Like I say, you can pick holes in anybodies record. RJJ and B-Hop are all time greats (rightly so) but if they were European with their resumes they would not be held in such high estemm FACT

[CFH]

I had Pacman winning the first fight by 1 point and losing the 2nd fight by 3 points. Still when it comes to decisions, it's all subjective.

Let's not try to diminish a great fighter's talent and abilities just because you don't agree with the decision.

Yeah, it's much better to do so based on their nationality, right?

If you're talking about Euro fighters, I said they were hyped which is my opinion, but did I diminish their fighting abilities or heart? No of course not.

Hamed? Hatton? Calzaghe? And I'll defend my view that Calzaghe fought a 43 year old past his prime Hopkins and a 39 year old Roy Jones, so yeah that gets no credit with me. Hatton? Never denied he was a decent fighter, not elite like some people were pumping him up. Just like some peoplle think Floyd ducks fighters or that Pacman is a pussy for fighting a DeLaHoya at 147 who was weight drained and should have fought him at 154 to make the fight "fair". lol All opinions nothing more or less.

Calling someone an overhyped club fighter isn't diminishing their fighting abilities?

Like H said, Hopkins best performances have come very late in his career. I don't think Calzaghe beat him, but I'm in the minority and he deserves credit for at least fighting an extremely close fight with one of boxings best. Also, very few people have given Calzaghe much credit for beating Jones, myself included; though he did so in impressive fashion. However, his victories over Lacy, Kessler, and Hopkins are comprable with most American fighters of his stature.

As for Hatton, you called him "overhyped [by fanboys]" and a "club fighter". To me, that sounds like you were calling him a very ordinary and less than decent fighter.

[Taeth]

I had Pacman winning the first fight by 1 point and losing the 2nd fight by 3 points. Still when it comes to decisions, it's all subjective.

Let's not try to diminish a great fighter's talent and abilities just because you don't agree with the decision.

Yeah, it's much better to do so based on their nationality, right?

I was just commenting that most people I've seen argue Marquez won on here have the Mexican flag on their name. I was trying to be racist, it makes sense that mexican people would support a great mexican fighter like Marquez, he is a tribute to their culture. I am just saying that in terms of this fight, Marquez did not win. Its like saying Oscar De La Hoya beat Mayweather. Some people on here seem to believe that, or that it was a draw when that fight wasn't even close. While Marquez-Pacquiao II was extremely close, Mayweather won it.

And I had Pacquiao winning on fight night, which is the time I am most critical of the fighter I favor, IMO he really needs to earn rounds to win IMO so that I don't feel I am skewing my opinion based on favorites.

[OumaFan]

Taeth's trying to be racist Its good to have goals.

He wasn't even referring to you as far as I know, he was talking about GeneralBulldog's thread about how European fighters are overrated.

[The Fightfan]

This is an arguement I always get into with my brother besides Mike Tyson being the greatest before Don King. I say Maquez won both fight's,making Pac look like an amatuer by throwing and missing a ton of punches. It seems all Pacquiao fans point to the knockdowns ok well what about the rounds were Pac couldn't land more than 10 punches in a round. Anyway I always thought it was funny that the judges from the first fight thought Marquez won the second fight and vice versa. Just amusing that's all. MARQUEZ all the way.

[Taeth]

This is an arguement I always get into with my brother besides Mike Tyson being the greatest before Don King. I say Maquez won both fight's,making Pac look like an amatuer by throwing and missing a ton of punches. It seems all Pacquiao fans point to the knockdowns ok well what about the rounds were Pac couldn't land more than 10 punches in a round. Anyway I always thought it was funny that the judges from the first fight thought Marquez won the second fight and vice versa. Just amusing that's all. MARQUEZ all the way.

First fight definitely, second fight they landed pretty much evenly, and though Marquez was a little bit better with technique and timing, Pacquiao evened it up with his physical gifts. I don't think anyone would argue that either guy could not win on any given night, I just say that in that fight that happened Pacquiao clearly won more fights.

[miron_lang]

Each fighter won 2 rounds each CLEARLY!!!!!!

that means 8 rounds is up for grabs... what does that tell you? it boils down to subjectivity in scoring close rounds and 8 rounds are close.

2 Respected judges Duane Ford and Jerry Roth cancelled each other out so the youngest Judge Miller had the fight for Pacquiao by 1 point.

Press people and Gerry Roth ( JMM) were seating in the same row. ALL press people who had it for JMM were equally happy for a pac victory because 8 fucking rounds were very close nobody disputed the verdict among the press. In addition Pac got 3 points for the 2 rounds that he clearly won.


Pacquiao WON officially. It would be more of an injustice if JMM was awarded the victory.

[brucelee]

Each fighter won 2 rounds each CLEARLY!!!!!!

that means 8 rounds is up for grabs... what does that tell you? it boils down to subjectivity in scoring close rounds and 8 rounds are close.

2 Respected judges Duane Ford and Jerry Roth cancelled each other out so the youngest Judge Miller had the fight for Pacquiao by 1 point.

Press people and Gerry Roth ( JMM) were seating in the same row. ALL press people who had it for JMM were equally happy for a pac victory because 8 fucking rounds were very close nobody disputed the verdict among the press. In addition Pac got 3 points for the 2 rounds that he clearly won.





Pacquiao WON officially. It would be more of an injustice if JMM was awarded the victory.

Well said. So tired of all these haters trying to sound like boxing fans.


Oumafan, you're on the right track.