Anybody think Pac has lost 5 fights and JMM has only lost 1??

[Taeth]

All these people had JMM winning i'd say more people think JMM won there 2nd fight, than more people think Manny Pacquiao won the 2nd fight. And by the way i had JMM winning both Manny Pacquiao fights and the Chris John fight with ease, and im certainly not Spanish/Mexican.


Associated Press:114-113 Marquez
- Joe Santoliquito:115-112 Marquez
- Dan Rafael, ESPN.com: 114-113 Marquez
- Darius Ortiz, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez
- Eric Raskin, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez
- Brian Kenny, Friday Night Fights:115-112 Marquez
- Scott Mallon, Ring Magazine / Boxing News / The Fist / Boxing Digest:114-113 Marquez
- Yahoo Sports:115-112 Marquez
- Fight News.com:115-112 Marquez
- Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review Journal: 114-113 Marquez
- Norm Fraunheim, Arizona Republic:114-113 Marquez
- Rich Marrotta, Top Rank TV:114-113 Marquez
- Kieran Mulvaney, Reuters:114-113 Marquez
- DogHouseBoxing:114-113 Marquez
- Brett Conway, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez
- Rick Reeno, BoxingScene.com:114-113 Marquez
- Gary Randall, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez
- Bart Barry, 15Rounds.com:115-113 Marquez
- Bruce McTavish, International Judge:115-112 Marquez
- Francis Ochoa, Philippine Daily Inquirer:114-113 Marquez
- Scott Christ, BadLeftHook.com:114-113 Marquez
- William Detloff, The Ring Magazine:115-113 Marquez
- Ron Borges, TheSweetScience.com:114-113 Marquez
- Bert Sugar:Marquez
- Max Kellerman & Bob Papa:Marquez in both fights
- Nonito Donaire:114-113 Marquez
- Filipino Sports Analysts Ronnie Nathanielsz, Recah Trinidad and Ed Picson all picked Marquez.
- Graham Houston, FightWriter.com also picked Marquez

• Pacquiao wins the vacant Ring Magazine jr. lightweight world title. Ring Magazine awarded the belt to Pacquiao but did not believe he won the fight.

Are these valid? Like is this from a real article? Either way anybody, who had Marquez up by more than one point is clearly delusional because thats the only way I give people the slightest reasoning for having him up in the fight, there is no way he was up two or three rounds when the knockdown is taken into consideration. Once again, what rounds did they give to Marquez? I guarantee if I sat down a watched the fight through with anyone I could convince them that two rounds people always seem to give Marquez (1 and 11) clearly didn't belong to him.

Taeth,

You clearly have no shame.
Cause if you had the slightest you would have responded by saying you were wrong in your 1st comment.
But I should have known that you wouldn't.
You just got your ass handed to you by ICB and your response is.
Are these valid?
Followed by
Either way.... blah! blah!

Trying to discredit the list of scores.

I discredit people just blurting out scores, Give me a round by round disclosure, and I will debate those rounds with people. If you are so sure a guy won a round, why are people so hesitant to go punch by punch through a round? I realize my spanish comment was misunderstood as racist because some uneducated people have been falsely taught what has actually transpired over the last 400 years, but nevertheless if I want to see where a list came from, or why these guys picked the fight the way they did, why should I be discredited for it. I am not one of those guys who follows "expert opinions" blindly. Half the people who cover boxing know shit all about the sport because they've actually wanted to cover other sports, but have been stuck with boxing.

[HattonTheHammer]

i had marquez taking the 1st fight 113-112 and the second 114-113

to have a loss and a draw to his name after winning 2 fights is rather sad if you ask me as i still to this day believe marquez is the better all round fighter out of he and pac.

The judge that scored the 1st round of the 1st fight 10-6 needs shooting. Whether there are 2 knockdowns or 8 knockdowns in a round you cannot score it any lower than 10-7 as the remainder of the fight would become completely obsolete.

Mayweather will out manouvere marq and take a points win and will go on to stop pacquiao late on.

[Violent Demise]

Are these valid? Like is this from a real article? Either way anybody, who had Marquez up by more than one point is clearly delusional because thats the only way I give people the slightest reasoning for having him up in the fight, there is no way he was up two or three rounds when the knockdown is taken into consideration. Once again, what rounds did they give to Marquez? I guarantee if I sat down a watched the fight through with anyone I could convince them that two rounds people always seem to give Marquez (1 and 11) clearly didn't belong to him.

Taeth,

You clearly have no shame.
Cause if you had the slightest you would have responded by saying you were wrong in your 1st comment.
But I should have known that you wouldn't.
You just got your ass handed to you by ICB and your response is.
Are these valid?
Followed by
Either way.... blah! blah!

Trying to discredit the list of scores.

I discredit people just blurting out scores, Give me a round by round disclosure, and I will debate those rounds with people. If you are so sure a guy won a round, why are people so hesitant to go punch by punch through a round? I realize my spanish comment was misunderstood as racist because some uneducated people have been falsely taught what has actually transpired over the last 400 years, but nevertheless if I want to see where a list came from, or why these guys picked the fight the way they did, why should I be discredited for it. I am not one of those guys who follows "expert opinions" blindly. Half the people who cover boxing know shit all about the sport because they've actually wanted to cover other sports, but have been stuck with boxing.

Round by round scores have been posted a bunch of times. You just chose to ignore them

[ICB]

Heres my scorecard Taeth from ages ago.

1 Marquez
2 Marquez
3 Pacquiao 10-8
4 Pacquiao
5 Marquez
6 Marquez
7 Pacquiao
8 Marquez
9 Pacquiao
10 Pacquiao
11 Marquez
12 Marquez

114-113 JMM

I think the 8th round was borderline 10-8 round for JMM aswell.

And lastly that post i made with all the score's was just to prove your point wrong, about the Mexican/Spanish comment.

[Taeth]

Why did you score round 1 for Marquez he landed one good right cross? Where as Pacquiao landed a good cross, and several to the body.

Also the 11th round, Manny outlanded Marquez, he inflicted more damage, he was backing MArquez up, Marquez landed a few punches but Manny had excellent defense in parts making Marquez miss combinations.

[Violent Demise]

Why did you score round 1 for Marquez he landed one good right cross? Where as Pacquiao landed a good cross, and several to the body.

Also the 11th round, Manny outlanded Marquez, he inflicted more damage, he was backing MArquez up, Marquez landed a few punches but Manny had excellent defense in parts making Marquez miss combinations.

Your out of your fukking mind. And your fukking blind. Marquez landed a solid cross on Pacquiao. Pacquiao landed a glancing one. And Pacquiao landed nothing to the body you fukking liar. Marquez landed the only good body shot with like 23 seconds left in the round. The first round was a clear Marquez round.

[Pavlik]

Marquez on both fights showed that he is a total package himself, but Pacquiao was able to hurt him more and actually dropped him. Marquez claiming to have won both should stayed on his feet and do more damage next time, too bad this version of Paqcauio he is facing won't overcommit to his punches, has better balance, defense and power.
PAC will knock him out the next time they fight

[miron_lang]

Marquez landed the only good body shot with like 23 seconds left in the round. The first round was a clear Marquez round.

Pacquiao landed more shots. JMM landed 1 good shot.

[CFH]

Heres my scorecard Taeth from ages ago.

1 Marquez
2 Marquez
3 Pacquiao 10-8
4 Pacquiao
5 Marquez
6 Marquez
7 Pacquiao
8 Marquez
9 Pacquiao
10 Pacquiao
11 Marquez
12 Marquez

114-113 JMM

I think the 8th round was borderline 10-8 round for JMM aswell.

And lastly that post i made with all the score's was just to prove your point wrong, about the Mexican/Spanish comment.

I scored it almost identically. The only difference in my card is that I gave Marquez the 7th round, but I really feel that round could've been scored for either fighter (or even a draw). Anyways, I had it 115-112 Marquez, but there were several extremely close rounds and I can understand why some people think Pac won.

[miron_lang]

Heres my scorecard Taeth from ages ago.

1 Marquez
2 Marquez
3 Pacquiao 10-8
4 Pacquiao
5 Marquez
6 Marquez
7 Pacquiao
8 Marquez
9 Pacquiao
10 Pacquiao
11 Marquez
12 Marquez

114-113 JMM

I think the 8th round was borderline 10-8 round for JMM aswell.

And lastly that post i made with all the score's was just to prove your point wrong, about the Mexican/Spanish comment.

Round 1 - Marquez landed 1 good shot. thats 1 shot Pacquiao out gunned him the whole round. Pac landed more. you cant win a round by landing 1 good shot.


Round 11 - another round where PAC can claim.



-- There is no way anybody can prove that JMM won this fight and there is a reason why judges are being paid.

[CFH]

Heres my scorecard Taeth from ages ago.

1 Marquez
2 Marquez
3 Pacquiao 10-8
4 Pacquiao
5 Marquez
6 Marquez
7 Pacquiao
8 Marquez
9 Pacquiao
10 Pacquiao
11 Marquez
12 Marquez

114-113 JMM

I think the 8th round was borderline 10-8 round for JMM aswell.

And lastly that post i made with all the score's was just to prove your point wrong, about the Mexican/Spanish comment.

Round 1 - Marquez landed 1 good shot. thats 1 shot Pacquiao out gunned him the whole round. Pac landed more. you cant win a round by landing 1 good shot.


Round 11 - another round where PAC can claim.



-- There is no way anybody can prove that JMM won this fight and there is a reason why judges are being paid.

One of those paid judges scored the fight 115-112 for Marquez. It was a close fight that could've gone either way and anyone saying otherwise is either biased or an idiot.

[Spicoli]

I'm thinking Norwood holds claim to the only convincing win over Marquez,and that was a all around nasty,messy & close fight for both.Oh and his early DQ loss of course,but I'm sure he was only retaliating

[miron_lang]

One of those paid judges scored the fight 115-112 for Marquez. It was a close fight that could've gone either way and anyone saying otherwise is either biased or an idiot.

Who is saying otherwise?

yes it was a close fight that couldve gone either way. what im saying is the judges were paid to score the fight. theirs are the official score cards every body must live with it.

[XaduBoxer]

One of those paid judges scored the fight 115-112 for Marquez. It was a close fight that could've gone either way and anyone saying otherwise is either biased or an idiot.

Who is saying otherwise?

yes it was a close fight that couldve gone either way. what im saying is the judges were paid to score the fight. theirs are the official score cards every body must live with it.

If there's a blatant scoring error committed by the judges, Team JMM can file a formal complaint about that in a boxing commission... I wonder why Team JMM didn't do that??
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[CFH]

One of those paid judges scored the fight 115-112 for Marquez. It was a close fight that could've gone either way and anyone saying otherwise is either biased or an idiot.

Who is saying otherwise?

yes it was a close fight that couldve gone either way. what im saying is the judges were paid to score the fight. theirs are the official score cards every body must live with it.

In threads like these there are always plenty of people saying otherwise.

Just because the judges score a fight a certain way doesn't mean that the result is justified or fair, though in this case I believe it is. Boxing is one of those rare sports where the outcome can depend upon perception and as such it's always interesting to discuss how we as boxing fans perceived the fight. The official scores are on the record, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't discuss who we thought won.