Hatton was a Fluke!!

[KostyaTszyuTeam]

He fought 3 rounds against Mitchell. He hadn't fought in over two years in practical terms, and most of his fights were against current or former world champions, even before he became a champion. A very high ratio of current or former world champions.

I wouldn't say Shot, interms that he can't fight, because he was never dominated in any fight to the point where he was totally annihilated, but he was certainly past his best, and right to be had. In other words, OVER THE HILL, an Old Man. For an Old Man, he looked ok. Since when has 4 months short of 36 been Fresh for boxing.

What because Hopkins and Mosely can stick around. Look at old man De La Hoya, who turned old before our eyes retiuring at, surprise surprise, 35. Tszyu was an old man..

[fan johnny]

Hatton's style commands a lot of determination, strength and sheer force of will something he's been running out of as of late. Many have preached to him in his past that his life style would eventually catch up to him. If he wanted to prolong his boxing career he would need to adjust his life style to suite.

I wouldn't label Hatton a "Fluke" he is not even close to fitting that label. It's easy to come up with criticism that sound plausible once a fighter lost and hit them when they are down.

Hatton's style is a pressure fighter who swarms you with punches. He has tremendous skill boxing on the inside and can cut the ring better than most. His style does not match up well against some fighters. His career could have been managed so that he faced only fighters where he "looks" good rather than to risk losing by facing fighters that are contrary to his style. But that is not what Hatton wanted. He wanted only to face the Best fighters. He showed the people he has the heart of a warrior and I think that's why so many people loved him.

[skel1983]

Hatton's style commands a lot of determination, strength and sheer force of will something he's been running out of as of late. Many have preached to him in his past that his life style would eventually catch up to him. If he wanted to prolong his boxing career he would need to adjust his life style to suite.

I wouldn't label Hatton a "Fluke" he is not even close to fitting that label. It's easy to come up with criticism that sound plausible once a fighter lost and hit them when they are down.

Hatton's style is a pressure fighter who swarms you with punches. He has tremendous skill boxing on the inside and can cut the ring better than most. His style does not match up well against some fighters. His career could have been managed so that he faced only fighters where he "looks" good rather than to risk losing by facing fighters that are contrary to his style. But that is not what Hatton wanted. He wanted only to face the Best fighters. He showed the people he has the heart of a warrior and I think that's why so many people loved him.

Totally agree, no disrespect to Manny he took Hatton apart and would of been to cute and fast agaisnt any version of Hatton, but there is only so many fights that you can use your face as defensive tool before it starts to take its toll. Hattons face looks like someone has dropped a piano on it for a reason and the signs were there in the Lazcano fight his punch resistance was on the slippery slope, and as pretty boy has stated many times this week Hatton has had alot of wars.

Thaxton,Collazo,Lazcano,Mcgee,Mayweather etc etc He has taken alot of shots and has fought alot of hard rounds.

[KostyaTszyuTeam]

The only name on that list is Mayweather btw.........all the others aren't anywhere near the hall of fame.

Hatton looked like a club fighter against Pacquiao, a guy who lost twice to Marquez, forget what the judges say.

Hatton cant fight southpaws very well. The right hook from the stance of a southpaw catches him most times. What he actually needed to was partially follow Mayweathers game plan, the other part, execute it. He needed to jam Pacquiaos lead right hand, feignt, and and paw his way in duck under and close distance. What he did was throw a looping left hook Pacquiao came over the top of at will. Had Pacquiao been the exact same fighter, but right handed, the fight was going to the cards. Both De La Hoya and Hatton were made for Pacquiao, because they bothe dont have weapons against a southpaw.

The best punch against a southpaw is the straight right. Further, as Pacquiao attacks, that is perfect for a counter puncher. IE Mayweather is fast counter puncher. Tszyu was a power counter puncher with his right. Kostya was exceptional against southpaws, because he had one of the best right hands in boxing. His power right was way better than Marquez, and look what trouble Marquez gave Pacquiao.

Hatton doesnt have a right hand, and unlike Oscar, doesnt have the jabs and feignts. With Oscar though he stays back. Hatton had to come inside. I thought Mayweather is partially to blame. Ricky looked confused. He couldnt have chosen a worse opponent stylistically.

Guys like Mayweather, if you thought Marquez could counter punch Pacquiao, Mayweather can do it way better. Marquez actually landed his straight right afew times. Imagine a Tszyu right landing on Pacquiao. Stylistically its Tszyus dream, as most Southpaws he had to chase and create pressure. If the guy wants to come into that enormous riight hand, he has a problem, in theory. What isnt in theory, is ig/when Maywether beats Marquez, he will try this out with a fast right against Pacquiao. Expect Pacquiao to sit back a fraction, try draw Mayweather out, then come in. Trying to jam Mayweathers offensive flow. I think PBF workd him out and out boxes him middle to end.

[skel1983]

The only name on that list is Mayweather btw.........all the others aren't anywhere near the hall of fame.

Hatton looked like a club fighter against Pacquiao, a guy who lost twice to Marquez, forget what the judges say.

Hatton cant fight southpaws very well. The right hook from the stance of a southpaw catches him most times. What he actually needed to was partially follow Mayweathers game plan, the other part, execute it. He needed to jam Pacquiaos lead right hand, feignt, and and paw his way in duck under and close distance. What he did was throw a looping left hook Pacquiao came over the top of at will. Had Pacquiao been the exact same fighter, but right handed, the fight was going to the cards. Both De La Hoya and Hatton were made for Pacquiao, because they bothe dont have weapons against a southpaw.

The best punch against a southpaw is the straight right. Further, as Pacquiao attacks, that is perfect for a counter puncher. IE Mayweather is fast counter puncher. Tszyu was a power counter puncher with his right. Kostya was exceptional against southpaws, because he had one of the best right hands in boxing. His power right was way better than Marquez, and look what trouble Marquez gave Pacquiao.

Hatton doesnt have a right hand, and unlike Oscar, doesnt have the jabs and feignts. With Oscar though he stays back. Hatton had to come inside. I thought Mayweather is partially to blame. Ricky looked confused. He couldnt have chosen a worse opponent stylistically.

Guys like Mayweather, if you thought Marquez could counter punch Pacquiao, Mayweather can do it way better. Marquez actually landed his straight right afew times. Imagine a Tszyu right landing on Pacquiao. Stylistically its Tszyus dream, as most Southpaws he had to chase and create pressure. If the guy wants to come into that enormous riight hand, he has a problem, in theory. What isnt in theory, is ig/when Maywether beats Marquez, he will try this out with a fast right against Pacquiao. Expect Pacquiao to sit back a fraction, try draw Mayweather out, then come in. Trying to jam Mayweathers offensive flow. I think PBF workd him out and out boxes him middle to end.

Just out of intrest how many of Kostas opponents are HOF fighters apart from the corpse JCC Snr?

[KostyaTszyuTeam]

Good point......thats on of the things people try point out about Tszyu. On the other side, there is a very long list of guys who were good champions he beat.

Kostya has faced tougher opponents than Hatton, thats not really questionable though, aside from facing Pacquiao and Mayweather. Probably the best of the opponents when they were actually good were Gonzalez, Mitchel and Ruelas, and Chavez is probably the only true hall of fame fighter.

Tszyu is definetly a hall of fame fighter, thats why he was usually better than those other guys who were champions at one time or another, and why he reigned for so long.

Mayweather is sometimes accused of having soft opponents too. Before De La Hoya, who did he beat, and he was boxing for ten years to that point. Genaro Hernandez, comparable to Gonzalez. Corrales was good. Castillo gave him a close fight, BUT WAY OVERRATED, then nobody really..Perhaps Corrales was top 10, not sure if he was hall of fame. Maybe, but he lost too much through the years too. Castillo, no way. He never won anything to be called a great fighter. At least Hatton beat Tszyu, I dont care how old he was, beating any version of Tszyu was still hard, old or not.

Hatton has fought 3 hall of famers, and beat one of them.

[KostyaTszyuTeam]

I mean, Tszyu faced tougher opponents before Hatton fought the two p4p no1 fighters...........but that is neither here nor there considering the result. Its kind like saying I fought the best fighter and got anhilated within two rounds. Its not something that you want to point to as a plus.

From that standpoint he fought tougher opponnets, though the result wasnt any good. Is Hatton going to the hall of fame. I dont think so if he retires now. He;d have to win another makor world title for my money, an have a couple of top fights, and they dont have to be against the p4p no1. Maybe he will, I dont know, but he'd want to cahnge the last image from peoples minds..

[skel1983]

Good point......thats on of the things people try point out about Tszyu. On the other side, there is a very long list of guys who were good champions he beat.

Kostya has faced tougher opponents than Hatton, thats not really questionable though, aside from facing Pacquiao and Mayweather. Probably the best of the opponents when they were actually good were Gonzalez, Mitchel and Ruelas, and Chavez is probably the only true hall of fame fighter.

Tszyu is definetly a hall of fame fighter, thats why he was usually better than those other guys who were champions at one time or another, and why he reigned for so long.

Mayweather is sometimes accused of having soft opponents too. Before De La Hoya, who did he beat, and he was boxing for ten years to that point. Genaro Hernandez, comparable to Gonzalez. Corrales was good. Castillo gave him a close fight, BUT WAY OVERRATED, then nobody really..Perhaps Corrales was top 10, not sure if he was hall of fame. Maybe, but he lost too much through the years too. Castillo, no way. He never won anything to be called a great fighter. At least Hatton beat Tszyu, I dont care how old he was, beating any version of Tszyu was still hard, old or not.

Hatton has fought 3 hall of famers, and beat one of them.

Like i said previsouly if you break Hattons victims and Kostas victims there isnt a great deal in the level of fighters they beat they have both beat good champions, I personally put Kosta higher than Hatton on the all time list.

Now Mayweathers list is far more impressive than both Kostas and Hattons.

Hernandez
Corrales
Chavez

All the above won titles after floyd had beat them

Castillo x2
Gatti
Mitchell
Judah
Dela Hoya
Baldomir
Hatton

Im not saying they are the greatest of resumes but i think most will agree that more impressive than Kostas and Hattons by some margin

[ono]

He fought 3 rounds against Mitchell. He hadn't fought in over two years in practical terms, and most of his fights were against current or former world champions, even before he became a champion. A very high ratio of current or former world champions.

I wouldn't say Shot, interms that he can't fight, because he was never dominated in any fight to the point where he was totally annihilated, but he was certainly past his best, and right to be had. In other words, OVER THE HILL, an Old Man. For an Old Man, he looked ok. Since when has 4 months short of 36 been Fresh for boxing.

What because Hopkins and Mosely can stick around. Look at old man De La Hoya, who turned old before our eyes retiuring at, surprise surprise, 35. Tszyu was an old man..

Oscar was on an IV drip....hence he couldn't orally re-hydrate which suggests he was ill or something had badly gone wrong. Very little to do with him 'being shot'