Hatton was a Fluke!!

[skel1983]

You make me laugh mate. In one instance you discredit Hattons win agaisnt Kosta becasue of the age of Kosta, but in another instance, you put his wins up against Mayweather and Chevez as if they actully meant something.

"Went 12 hard rounds with Whittaker "

You failed to mention it was 9 years before.Also the great Chevez yes was great was a corpse when he fought Kosta them two fights dont go down as any relevance, and to even compare Kosta beating Chavez to Hatton beating Tszyuu is pathetic.

These names are the best wins for the two fighters.

Kosta

JUDAH - Current IBF Champ defended it 5 times went on to become undisputed 147 world champ defended it once

GONZALEZ - Was once WBC Champ defended it 11 times. 3 more world title shots 1 draw 2 loses

LEIJA - Won one World Title and drew in another world title shot all other title attempts he was defeated.

MITCHELL- Number 1 contender never won a world title.

TACKIE - Another contender never a world title holder fought Hatton 18 months after same sort of result.URKAL - Never world Champion 4 failed attempts solid European standard fighter.

HURTADO - One time world Champion won the vacant belt failed in two other attempts to win a world title.

MAYWEATHER - Shot to pieces not really a great scalp but still mentioned as he was a world champ was 8/9 years previous to this, Mayweather totally passed his best had lost over 10 times when Kosta met him

CHAVEZ - Great fighter one of the best of all time pity he was way past his best and had been knocled out many times and was fighting local mexican road sweepers prior to the Kosta fight.Id say they are Kostas best 10 wins.

Hatton

TSZYU - Was current defending 140 lb champion 10 times defending champion, his second reign as champ first one held the belt for 6 fights. Was p4p number 3.

CASTILLO - WBC 2 time 135 Champ defended it 6 times and 4 times. Never fought for a title after Hatton fight.

COLLAZO - Was the 147 WBA Champ, defended it once before losing to Hatton, has fought for a world title twice since and not been champion again

URANGO - Was current IBF Champ when he fought Hatton, first defence has since won back the IBF Title since and is the current 140 ibf world champion

MALIGNAGGI - Was the IBF Champ when Hatton fought him had defended his title twice before the Hatton fight.

MAUSSA - Was current WBA world champ first defence when Hatton fought him not won a title since.

LAZCANO - Never a World Champ tried three times never succeded.TACKIE - Never a World Champ another contender decent gatekeeper.

PHILLIPS - Over the hill past experienced champ who had beaton Kosta in the past and been a World Champion.So what would you say to that??


Compare, Hatton fought 5 World Champions when they were still World Champions, i no that Kosta had most of the starps through his reign. I honestly dont see much deifference in the quality of there best wins, but as usual you will overrate Kostas wins against Chavez and Mayweather who i put right at the bottom of his best wins.

[skel1983]

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[Violent Demise]

Nver fails to amaze me how people claim Tszyu was Old/Shot etc when he fought Hatton. He was only 35, had had less fights than Hatton, he had not been in any wars and he had just come off arguable his career best win and best performance. Suddenly in between fighting Mitchell and Hatton something happend to make Tszyu a shot fighter - It's laughable

Saying Hatton beat Tszyu only cuz Tszyu was shot is a bit of a stretch.

Hatton beat Tszyu cuz the ref was in his pocket is more like it.

But in reality (apart from the retaliatory low blow) was anything Hatton did illegal or was it just a case of some refs will tolreate and some won't.

That ref tolerated a lot of holding and hitting on Hatton's part. Did he even warn him once? And yes I'll admit it was boarderline, but damn if that "low blow" Tszyu landed didn't look like a legit body shot

[TitoFan]

Now that Hatton got humiliated and destroyed by Pacquiao, it’s easy to jump on the anti-Hatton bandwagon and discredit his entire career. Well… I like to think of myself as mostly objective, so I’m here to put a little perspective on the matter.

First, Hatton’s win over Kostya Tszyu. Although I hated the fight (and was rooting for Kostya), you gotta give credit to Hatton (even if it’s grudgingly). I hated the fight, ‘cause Hatton’s mauling style is revolting to me. I like my boxing clean and skillful. Nevertheless, it’s unfair to claim that Kostya was all of a sudden “over-the-hill.” Nobody had claimed this before the fight, and it sounds like sour grapes to have claimed that after the fight. He lost, pure and simple. True, the ref had a lot to do with the outcome, by not penalizing Hatton for holding, grabbing, and mauling… but Hatton was relentless, whereas Kostya finally just quit in his corner.

Now for Hatton’s win over Castillo. Ain’t no way in hell that the Castillo that lost to Hatton was even a shadow of the Castillo that went 10 hellacious rounds with Diego Corrales in one of the best fights ever. Castillo was shot, or pretty close to it. That Hatton’s body shot was impressive and caused the one-punch KO? Yes it was. But Castillo was a shell of his former self.

Hatton’s performance at 147? Pathetic. Too bad he never got to face Cotto at that weight. That would’ve ensured that he (Hatton) and Pacquaio never fought. Cotto would’ve destroyed Hatton.

Finally, Hatton’s KO loss to Pacquiao. I was predicting a Hatton win, based on size… Hatton is a natural 140-pounder, whereas Pacquiao came all the way up from several weight divisions south of 140, and his best weight is/was 130. But I began to get pissed off when Hatton started claiming he was fighting for the world’s p4p title. WTF?!?!? Hatton is light-years away from p4p anything, and always has been. So I was hoping for an emphatic Pacquiao win. I guess I got my wish.

So in the end, Hatton got exposed as to what he has been all along… a good fighter who amassed a bunch of victories in England over a bunch of nobodies, but also a pretty good win over Kostya Tszyu. Then, when he begins fighting elite competition, he gets his ass handed to him. That’s pretty much it, in a nutshell.

[Violent Demise]

Now that Hatton got humiliated and destroyed by Pacquiao, it’s easy to jump on the anti-Hatton bandwagon and discredit his entire career. Well… I like to think of myself as mostly objective, so I’m here to put a little perspective on the matter.

First, Hatton’s win over Kostya Tszyu. Although I hated the fight (and was rooting for Kostya), you gotta give credit to Hatton (even if it’s grudgingly). I hated the fight, ‘cause Hatton’s mauling style is revolting to me. I like my boxing clean and skillful. Nevertheless, it’s unfair to claim that Kostya was all of a sudden “over-the-hill.” Nobody had claimed this before the fight, and it sounds like sour grapes to have claimed that after the fight. He lost, pure and simple. True, the ref had a lot to do with the outcome, by not penalizing Hatton for holding, grabbing, and mauling… but Hatton was relentless, whereas Kostya finally just quit in his corner.

Now for Hatton’s win over Castillo. Ain’t no way in hell that the Castillo that lost to Hatton was even a shadow of the Castillo that went 10 hellacious rounds with Diego Corrales in one of the best fights ever. Castillo was shot, or pretty close to it. That Hatton’s body shot was impressive and caused the one-punch KO? Yes it was. But Castillo was a shell of his former self.

Hatton’s performance at 147? Pathetic. Too bad he never got to face Cotto at that weight. That would’ve ensured that he (Hatton) and Pacquaio never fought. Cotto would’ve destroyed Hatton.

Finally, Hatton’s KO loss to Pacquiao. I was predicting a Hatton win, based on size… Hatton is a natural 140-pounder, whereas Pacquiao came all the way up from several weight divisions south of 140, and his best weight is/was 130. But I began to get pissed off when Hatton started claiming he was fighting for the world’s p4p title. WTF?!?!? Hatton is light-years away from p4p anything, and always has been. So I was hoping for an emphatic Pacquiao win. I guess I got my wish.

So in the end, Hatton got exposed as to what he has been all along… a medicore fighter who amassed a bunch of victories in England over a bunch of nobodies, but also a tainted win over Kostya Tszyu. Then, when he begins fighting elite competition, he gets his ass handed to him. That’s pretty much it, in a nutshell.

Those 2 corrections turn your pretty good post into a great post

[KostyaTszyuTeam]

These are what I would call Kostya Tszyus best wins. His first being in 1995, his last 2002, when he was 32!! He was starting to visibly slow against Leija, and when he fought Hatton at 35, he had fought 3 rounds in two years.

The Roger Mayweather fight is Nowhere near the list. The reason I dumped that in was because a name you may know. Also it was Tszyu First worl titke defence, after only like 12 pro fights or something, and he won ALL 12 rounds.

Tszyus best performances to me.
Rodriguez: Good solid champ Dominated
Pineda: 6'1 Undefeated, never the same afterward
Bergman: Mandatory, wicked KO
Grove: Former world champ mowed down in round 1
Ruelas: One of Mexicos better fighters, got thrashed in 8
Hurtado: Former world titlist, never quite the same afterwards
Gonzalez: Arguably Tszyu best win, destroyed a then great boxer
Chavez: One of the few men to EVER drop Chavez, mandatory no1 def
Mitchell X2: Excellent boxer in prime, top ten p4p when beat again
Judah: Former Undisputed Welterweight champ, at best first time 140
Tackie: Mandatory no1 contender, 12 rd shut out, never the same again.

I would say those are Tszyus best fights. Julio Cesar Chavez was the mandatory no1 challenger, not the garbish man, as much as you dislike the fact.

True Kostya doesnt have a prime hall of fame opponent to his list, but you take Chavez anyway, as they fought, and one of onlt two guys to EVER drop him.

The quality of opponnets goes from year 1995,96, 98,99,2000,2001,2002. It was a significant reign, with other guys fought between these times. I mean if you look up Pineda now, he was shot and going down after that fight, but up until then, a great challenger. That was the case for many of Tszyus opponents, when they lost, never the same. How you rate them, personal prefernce. Tackie was not the same guy fighting Hatton when he fought Tszyu etc.

Since Hatton doesnt like southpaws, how would he go with Mitchell and Judah. We may have a chance to see Judah, past both guys best before they're both done. A great career, and top3 alltime 140 punds, with Pryor, and i'd have Chavez behind them based on actual work at that weight.

TSZYU - Hall of fame fighter, one of the greatest 140 pound fighters all time, near 36 when lost
CASTILLO - Past his best. NEVER did Anything to be called Great. Good fighter, big difference to Tszyu
COLLAZO - Not a great boxer won a belt through circumstance, never seen since, lost title first or second defence.
URANGO - Solid fighter
MALIGNAGGI - A good fighter
MAUSSA - Beat a trashed Harris, doesnt everyone, like Witter. Not a great fighter
LAZCANO - Never a World Champ. A nobody on the alltime list
PHILLIPS - WELL past his best

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Rodriguez:
Pineda:
Bergman
Grove
Ruelas
Hurtado
Gonzalez
Chavez
Mitchell
Judah
Tackie


Kostya has a better resume..He fought better guys, and some opponents in common when they were at their best, not faded. It was a long and distinguished record, and thats why he is a hall of fame fighter. Hatton is a good fighter, and I was surprised how badly he lost to Pacquiao. Top ten p4p on his day. Struggles badly against Southpaws, as evident against Collazo prior to Pacquiao. Still has a chance for a title and a good win before he retires

[THE THIRD MAN]

According to some, Hatton got LUCKY when he beat Kostya Tszyu at the right old age of 36! Was Hattons subsequent build up setting hm up to fail. I still reckon he can beat the guys holding belts at 140, but maybe that win convinced some experts, he had his one glorious night, and he was biting off more than he could chew with younger top guys like Mayweather and Hatton. The marketing for both fights were excellent, they almost made me believe Hatton had a chance.

Not taking anything away from Kosta, but tell me who did Kosta ever beat in his career?? Zab Judah is his best win, if you look at Hattons resume and Kostas you will see there is not much difference in the level of fighter they have beaton.

Kosta was p4p number 3 he was 36 but Bernard Hopkins is 44 and p4p number 3. Age is irrelevant Kosta was fresh as a dasiy actully had less rounds on the clock than Hatton did, had just come of brutal 3rd round knockout of Shambra Mitchell who some thought would take Kosta out. Kosta maybe not at his very peak but nowhere near past it and gave Hatton a great fight.

Hatton was a good world champion and beat some decent opponents, he just is not elite which is the same for many boxers, Hatton was beaton by amazing fighters and two of the best of his generation.

Hatton was to strong for Kosta as was Vince Phillips, it was no fluke Hatton was in his prime and around that time beats most world class fighters.

This question often comes up when discussing Kostya Tszyu, 50 % of all his professional career was fought against World Champions! I guess that answers that question , but nobody wants to recognise it. He KO's Zab in 2 when Zab was at his peak, he beats Mitchell who hadn't lost for 7 years then KO's him again after 8 straight wins! What do people want here? He lost to Hatton who was at his peak after fighting once for 3 rounds in 2 and a half years, he turned 36 a few months later. Injuries and inactivity took it's toll on Tsyzu and he should be recognised for the great champion he was. The other problem with Tszyu is he pretty much ruined the careers of those he fought therefore clouding the judgment of boxing fans as some of those champions simply did not recover from a fight with Tszyu, i include Hatton in that too, he has not been the same fighter since. Gonzalez, Judah, Mitchell etc all went downhill after fights with Tszyu.
Let's not forget Tszyu fought and beat Juan La Porte in only his 4th pro fight, tell me who else has beaten such a respected former champion so early in his career? I don't think the Hatton win was a fluke, i think Hatton was at his peak and was in the right place at the right time. He was also very lucky he wasn't DQ'd !

[Violent Demise]

According to some, Hatton got LUCKY when he beat Kostya Tszyu at the right old age of 36! Was Hattons subsequent build up setting hm up to fail. I still reckon he can beat the guys holding belts at 140, but maybe that win convinced some experts, he had his one glorious night, and he was biting off more than he could chew with younger top guys like Mayweather and Hatton. The marketing for both fights were excellent, they almost made me believe Hatton had a chance.

Not taking anything away from Kosta, but tell me who did Kosta ever beat in his career?? Zab Judah is his best win, if you look at Hattons resume and Kostas you will see there is not much difference in the level of fighter they have beaton.

Kosta was p4p number 3 he was 36 but Bernard Hopkins is 44 and p4p number 3. Age is irrelevant Kosta was fresh as a dasiy actully had less rounds on the clock than Hatton did, had just come of brutal 3rd round knockout of Shambra Mitchell who some thought would take Kosta out. Kosta maybe not at his very peak but nowhere near past it and gave Hatton a great fight.

Hatton was a good world champion and beat some decent opponents, he just is not elite which is the same for many boxers, Hatton was beaton by amazing fighters and two of the best of his generation.

Hatton was to strong for Kosta as was Vince Phillips, it was no fluke Hatton was in his prime and around that time beats most world class fighters.

This question often comes up when discussing Kostya Tszyu, 50 % of all his professional career was fought against World Champions! I guess that answers that question , but nobody wants to recognise it. He KO's Zab in 2 when Zab was at his peak, he beats Mitchell who hadn't lost for 7 years then KO's him again after 8 straight wins! What do people want here? He lost to Hatton who was at his peak after fighting once for 3 rounds in 2 and a half years, he turned 36 a few months later. Injuries and inactivity took it's toll on Tsyzu and he should be recognised for the great champion he was. The other problem with Tszyu is he pretty much ruined the careers of those he fought therefore clouding the judgment of boxing fans as some of those champions simply did not recover from a fight with Tszyu, i include Hatton in that too, he has not been the same fighter since. Gonzalez, Judah, Mitchell etc all went downhill after fights with Tszyu.
Let's not forget Tszyu fought and beat Juan La Porte in only his 4th pro fight, tell me who else has beaten such a respected former champion so early in his career? I don't think the Hatton win was a fluke, i think Hatton was at his peak and was in the right place at the right time.

Ruin fighters don't become undisputed Welterweight champion like Judah did.

[THE THIRD MAN]

Not taking anything away from Kosta, but tell me who did Kosta ever beat in his career?? Zab Judah is his best win, if you look at Hattons resume and Kostas you will see there is not much difference in the level of fighter they have beaton.

Kosta was p4p number 3 he was 36 but Bernard Hopkins is 44 and p4p number 3. Age is irrelevant Kosta was fresh as a dasiy actully had less rounds on the clock than Hatton did, had just come of brutal 3rd round knockout of Shambra Mitchell who some thought would take Kosta out. Kosta maybe not at his very peak but nowhere near past it and gave Hatton a great fight.

Hatton was a good world champion and beat some decent opponents, he just is not elite which is the same for many boxers, Hatton was beaton by amazing fighters and two of the best of his generation.

Hatton was to strong for Kosta as was Vince Phillips, it was no fluke Hatton was in his prime and around that time beats most world class fighters.

This question often comes up when discussing Kostya Tszyu, 50 % of all his professional career was fought against World Champions! I guess that answers that question , but nobody wants to recognise it. He KO's Zab in 2 when Zab was at his peak, he beats Mitchell who hadn't lost for 7 years then KO's him again after 8 straight wins! What do people want here? He lost to Hatton who was at his peak after fighting once for 3 rounds in 2 and a half years, he turned 36 a few months later. Injuries and inactivity took it's toll on Tsyzu and he should be recognised for the great champion he was. The other problem with Tszyu is he pretty much ruined the careers of those he fought therefore clouding the judgment of boxing fans as some of those champions simply did not recover from a fight with Tszyu, i include Hatton in that too, he has not been the same fighter since. Gonzalez, Judah, Mitchell etc all went downhill after fights with Tszyu.
Let's not forget Tszyu fought and beat Juan La Porte in only his 4th pro fight, tell me who else has beaten such a respected former champion so early in his career? I don't think the Hatton win was a fluke, i think Hatton was at his peak and was in the right place at the right time.

Ruin fighters don't become undisputed Welterweight champion like Judah did.

Undisputed Welterweight Champions don't lose to Carlos Baldimir either! Judah has failed in every big fight he has had since.

[Violent Demise]

This question often comes up when discussing Kostya Tszyu, 50 % of all his professional career was fought against World Champions! I guess that answers that question , but nobody wants to recognise it. He KO's Zab in 2 when Zab was at his peak, he beats Mitchell who hadn't lost for 7 years then KO's him again after 8 straight wins! What do people want here? He lost to Hatton who was at his peak after fighting once for 3 rounds in 2 and a half years, he turned 36 a few months later. Injuries and inactivity took it's toll on Tsyzu and he should be recognised for the great champion he was. The other problem with Tszyu is he pretty much ruined the careers of those he fought therefore clouding the judgment of boxing fans as some of those champions simply did not recover from a fight with Tszyu, i include Hatton in that too, he has not been the same fighter since. Gonzalez, Judah, Mitchell etc all went downhill after fights with Tszyu.
Let's not forget Tszyu fought and beat Juan La Porte in only his 4th pro fight, tell me who else has beaten such a respected former champion so early in his career? I don't think the Hatton win was a fluke, i think Hatton was at his peak and was in the right place at the right time.

Ruin fighters don't become undisputed Welterweight champion like Judah did.

Undisputed Welterweight Champions don't lose to Carlos Baldimir either! Judah has failed in every big fight he has had since.

Aside from the Spinks rematch he's failed in every big fight period. How's that Tszyu doing?

[THE THIRD MAN]

Ruin fighters don't become undisputed Welterweight champion like Judah did.

Undisputed Welterweight Champions don't lose to Carlos Baldimir either! Judah has failed in every big fight he has had since.

Aside from the Spinks rematch he's failed in every big fight period. How's that Tszyu doing?

I reckon he's doing just fine

[Kel]

Undisputed Welterweight Champions don't lose to Carlos Baldimir either! Judah has failed in every big fight he has had since.

Aside from the Spinks rematch he's failed in every big fight period. How's that Tszyu doing?

I reckon he's doing just fine

Almost fell out of my fucking chair! Jesus, my stomach is killing me!

[KostyaTszyuTeam]

Hatton would've been hit with the right cross. Same move everytime..

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