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    Default Re: Who is more accurate and faster?: The case of Mayweather vs Marquez

    Quote Originally Posted by Pavlik View Post
    pbf's lucky that he is the bigger man. ability they're about equal, power i'd say marquez, speed pbf. i can see jmm winning with effective aggression with pbf backpedaling all night.

    I agree! Yes Floyd is the bigger man and he is faster but I think JMM will give him serious problems. After watching so many of Mayweather's fights I see him pulling back to the ropes using his philidelphia shell. So many of Mayweathers opponets have fought him stupidly. Hatton had the aggression right but he was head hunting all night. Mayweather is good at ducking and diving evading those headshots. This is where I believe the difference will be with JMM. I see JMM going to that exposed body much more than all the others and when the body shots connect its gonna open up Floyd's chin.

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    Default Re: Who is more accurate and faster?: The case of Mayweather vs Marquez

    Quote Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Pavlik View Post
    pbf's lucky that he is the bigger man. ability they're about equal, power i'd say marquez, speed pbf. i can see jmm winning with effective aggression with pbf backpedaling all night.

    I agree! Yes Floyd is the bigger man and he is faster but I think JMM will give him serious problems. After watching so many of Mayweather's fights I see him pulling back to the ropes using his philidelphia shell. So many of Mayweathers opponets have fought him stupidly. Hatton had the aggression right but he was head hunting all night. Mayweather is good at ducking and diving evading those headshots. This is where I believe the difference will be with JMM. I see JMM going to that exposed body much more than all the others and when the body shots connect its gonna open up Floyd's chin.
    Castillo who might be as good of a body puncher as Cotto, was not able to get to Mayweather with body shots, but I agree its the only way to land effectively on Mayweather, however, I really doubt he will be running from Marquez, I think we expect a more Mayweather-G.Hernandez type performance on Mayweather's part. I certainly expect more combinations and offensive artillery.

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    Default Re: Who is more accurate and faster?: The case of Mayweather vs Marquez

    Mayweather didn't lose a round to Hatton. I don't guess I was watching the same fight! Comparing Hatton to Marquez is like comparing fatty meat to USDA prime cut. Marquez is better than Hatton on all fronts, counter punching, speed, chin ect....

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    Default Re: Who is more accurate and faster?: The case of Mayweather vs Marquez

    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Pavlik View Post
    pbf's lucky that he is the bigger man. ability they're about equal, power i'd say marquez, speed pbf. i can see jmm winning with effective aggression with pbf backpedaling all night.

    I agree! Yes Floyd is the bigger man and he is faster but I think JMM will give him serious problems. After watching so many of Mayweather's fights I see him pulling back to the ropes using his philidelphia shell. So many of Mayweathers opponets have fought him stupidly. Hatton had the aggression right but he was head hunting all night. Mayweather is good at ducking and diving evading those headshots. This is where I believe the difference will be with JMM. I see JMM going to that exposed body much more than all the others and when the body shots connect its gonna open up Floyd's chin.
    Castillo who might be as good of a body puncher as Cotto, was not able to get to Mayweather with body shots, but I agree its the only way to land effectively on Mayweather, however, I really doubt he will be running from Marquez, I think we expect a more Mayweather-G.Hernandez type performance on Mayweather's part. I certainly expect more combinations and offensive artillery.
    Castillo connected with body shots in the first fight no?

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    Default Re: Who is more accurate and faster?: The case of Mayweather vs Marquez

    But he didn't hurt Mayweather with them, the only reason that fight was as down the wire as it was, was because Floyd badly hurt his left rotator cuff. Floyd clearly showed when he could jab for 12 rounds that Castillo wasn't as good as him. Marquez's style IMO will be easier for Floyd.

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    Default Re: Who is more accurate and faster?: The case of Mayweather vs Marquez

    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Pavlik View Post
    pbf's lucky that he is the bigger man. ability they're about equal, power i'd say marquez, speed pbf. i can see jmm winning with effective aggression with pbf backpedaling all night.

    I agree! Yes Floyd is the bigger man and he is faster but I think JMM will give him serious problems. After watching so many of Mayweather's fights I see him pulling back to the ropes using his philidelphia shell. So many of Mayweathers opponets have fought him stupidly. Hatton had the aggression right but he was head hunting all night. Mayweather is good at ducking and diving evading those headshots. This is where I believe the difference will be with JMM. I see JMM going to that exposed body much more than all the others and when the body shots connect its gonna open up Floyd's chin.
    Castillo who might be as good of a body puncher as Cotto, was not able to get to Mayweather with body shots, but I agree its the only way to land effectively on Mayweather, however, I really doubt he will be running from Marquez, I think we expect a more Mayweather-G.Hernandez type performance on Mayweather's part. I certainly expect more combinations and offensive artillery.
    Castillo was all over PBF in their first fight. And YES he landed to the body often and hard. He out threw and outlanded him.

    Mayweather will not bring the offense. He has not been a combination puncher since before the Gatti fight. He likes to slow the boxing down to an almost standstill. It's what make PBF fights so boring, and winnable for "the cash cow."

    Definitely right about Floyd having some opponents who just abandoned their game plan after stepping through the ropes.
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    Default Re: Who is more accurate and faster?: The case of Mayweather vs Marquez

    I would say Floyd has the advantage in speed but I think both are very accurate with maybe Marquez slightly getting the nod in that department. I just think the advantage Floyd gains from being at the higher weight and Floyd's superior defense will win the day. Marquez gets hit alot and Floyd has the speed and power to bother Juan. I say Floyd wins comfortably on points, maybe 5 points give or take.

    You never know though, JMM comes to fight and is definitely going to have his moments here and there. I am looking forward to the fight.

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    Default Re: Who is more accurate and faster?: The case of Mayweather vs Marquez

    Quote Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFan View Post
    So many of Mayweathers opponets have fought him stupidly.
    save that comment for Pacquiao

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    Default Re: Who is more accurate and faster?: The case of Mayweather vs Marquez

    Mayweather is faster and more accurate.

    Mayweather has the advantage in every catergory.

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    Default Re: Who is more accurate and faster?: The case of Mayweather vs Marquez

    Quote Originally Posted by Pugilistic View Post
    Mayweather is faster and more accurate.

    Mayweather has the advantage in every catergory.
    Exactly!

    The glaring thing I noticed since this fight was announced is a mirror image to what had to be a factor in Floyds mind about how he intends to dismantle JMM, which is Pac fans trying to build up JMM as they are doing it to will him on to defeat Mayweather so that way it will make Pacs EXTREMELY questionable draw and win look better if Marquez catches lightning in the bottle and defeats Mayweather.

    In Floyds mind he will comprehensively beat JMM and use that in the Mayweather/Pac promotion to one up Pacquiao

    Whoever says Marquez ability is on par with Mayweather is just ridiculous, whatever marquez can do Floyd can do better, just a simple fact. I welcome anyone to intellegintly argue that

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    Quote Originally Posted by JT Rock View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Pugilistic View Post
    Mayweather is faster and more accurate.

    Mayweather has the advantage in every catergory.
    Exactly!

    The glaring thing I noticed since this fight was announced is a mirror image to what had to be a factor in Floyds mind about how he intends to dismantle JMM, which is Pac fans trying to build up JMM as they are doing it to will him on to defeat Mayweather so that way it will make Pacs EXTREMELY questionable draw and win look better if Marquez catches lightning in the bottle and defeats Mayweather.

    In Floyds mind he will comprehensively beat JMM and use that in the Mayweather/Pac promotion to one up Pacquiao

    Whoever says Marquez ability is on par with Mayweather is just ridiculous, whatever marquez can do Floyd can do better, just a simple fact. I welcome anyone to intellegintly argue that
    There's one thing Marquez has proven he can do well, while Mayweather is still a question mark.

    Fight. Not box, but fight. The thing is, Mayweather is so good, he's rarely had to show his heart. Marquez trumps PBF all day long in that category. I will say that Floyd has fought through adversity well in spots - the first Castillo fight comes to mind, as well as fighting through the rust with Augustus - but I've never seen him in a fight where his skill wasn't enough. I do think there may be a few fighters out there who could test him in this way, but I doubt that Marquez is one of them. Floyd doesn't fight to win (at least nowadays), he fights to not lose. And he's brilliant at it. The only way I see anyone beating him is by forcing him to open up offensively in order to win.

    And that might be next to impossible.

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    Default Re: Who is more accurate and faster?: The case of Mayweather vs Marquez

    Quote Originally Posted by Hunter View Post
    I would say Floyd has the advantage in speed but I think both are very accurate with maybe Marquez slightly getting the nod in that department. I just think the advantage Floyd gains from being at the higher weight and Floyd's superior defense will win the day. Marquez gets hit alot and Floyd has the speed and power to bother Juan. I say Floyd wins comfortably on points, maybe 5 points give or take.

    You never know though, JMM comes to fight and is definitely going to have his moments here and there. I am looking forward to the fight.
    Floyd has a big advantage in size. He is taller by two inches and has a five inch longer reach. Did anyone see them standing next to eachother at the news conference for the announcement of the fight prior to the Pacquiao fight? To me, the disparity in size was glaring.

    There are, of course, ways to counteract an opponent's size advantage, but the advantage plays into Floyd's whole style. Even if he were fighting a boxer of the same stature, Floyd would use his superior footwork to outmaneuver and out-position his opponent. In this way, a smaller opponent is even better for that style because he has to worry less about having to exchange and by using his reach advantage.

    Quote Originally Posted by bcollins View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by JT Rock View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Pugilistic View Post
    Mayweather is faster and more accurate.

    Mayweather has the advantage in every catergory.
    There's one thing Marquez has proven he can do well, while Mayweather is still a question mark.

    Fight. Not box, but fight. The thing is, Mayweather is so good, he's rarely had to show his heart. Marquez trumps PBF all day long in that category. I will say that Floyd has fought through adversity well in spots - the first Castillo fight comes to mind, as well as fighting through the rust with Augustus - but I've never seen him in a fight where his skill wasn't enough. I do think there may be a few fighters out there who could test him in this way, but I doubt that Marquez is one of them. Floyd doesn't fight to win (at least nowadays), he fights to not lose. And he's brilliant at it. The only way I see anyone beating him is by forcing him to open up offensively in order to win.

    And that might be next to impossible.
    I agree completely and I'm not sure Manny or Marquez, as smaller fighters, have the ability to do it. Also, even when that is done, it's not certain that Floyd will wilt.

    That said, maybe Floyd will come out fighting in this one so that he can get the upper hand in negotiations with Pacquiao. Pacquiao bested Floyd in his wins over ODLH and Hatton. Will Floyd best Pacquiao in his win over Marquez to provide him more leverage in negotiation?

    Marquez is a warrior and a great boxer. I'll never completely count him out, but the odds are against him.

    I'm not sure Marquez's ability to time and counter punch has been mentioned yet. Probably because it is near impossible to out-time Floyd.

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    Default Re: Who is more accurate and faster?: The case of Mayweather vs Marquez

    I'm still looking forward to the fight, though

    My money is on Money, but I'm rooting for Marquez, just because I think he is a great fighter who deserves more respect than he gets.

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    Default Re: Who is more accurate and faster?: The case of Mayweather vs Marquez

    Quote Originally Posted by Pugilistic View Post
    Mayweather is faster and more accurate.

    Mayweather has the advantage in every catergory.

    marqs the heavier puncher and if he can carry his from from 126/135 into 147 he should have the faster hands.

    Mayweather is the smarter and more precise fighter and boxing smarts more often than not get the better of raw aggression!
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    Default Re: Who is more accurate and faster?: The case of Mayweather vs Marquez

    Quote Originally Posted by hattonthehammer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Pugilistic View Post
    Mayweather is faster and more accurate.

    Mayweather has the advantage in every catergory.

    marqs the heavier puncher and if he can carry his from from 126/135 into 147 he should have the faster hands.

    Mayweather is the smarter and more precise fighter and boxing smarts more often than not get the better of raw aggression!
    I have to argue that dude.. I think most are forgetting Floyds career south of 147 he was more virtuoso and more than exciting.. he Koed and tkoed quite a string of impressive opposition.

    I ask why you think Marquez is a better puncher?

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