Barrera is denied rematch...

[GAME]

Had the result been the other way round, Khan got nutted but wobbled Barrera, they let it go 5 and gave Barrera a win. Would there be calls for a rematch ? Ofcourse there would. It would be a massive controversy. A rematch wouldnt even be debated, it would just automatically happen so why isnt it happening in this case?

Thats the point we are making

[DatsiK]

Had the result been the other way round, Khan got nutted but wobbled Barrera, they let it go 5 and gave Barrera a win. Would there be calls for a rematch ? Ofcourse there would. It would be a massive controversy. A rematch wouldnt even be debated, it would just automatically happen so why isnt it happening in this case?

Thats the point we are making

The thing is.. how hard would it of been for MAB to simply say " I don't want to continue " or even his corner to do so.. it isn't 100% up to the referee or the doctor, it's just as important to the boxer and his corner. So I keep hearing " yeah but he's mexican... he would of gone on if both of his legs had been broken and his arm bit off". Well that's his fault then isn't it.. the referee (or was it the doctor?) had a long talk with him in the 3rd or 4th round and asked him if he wanted to continue, he said yes.. it's that simple.

Look at it this way, if you were about to get into a fight with someone twice as big as you, and your best friend is telling you not to fight, you shouldnt do it etc but you still do, then you get your ass handed to you.. then you cry to your friend " why did you let me fight "... this is same kinda situation. It isn't Khans fault. It isn't the referees fault. It's Marco's fault...

[GAME]

Had the result been the other way round, Khan got nutted but wobbled Barrera, they let it go 5 and gave Barrera a win. Would there be calls for a rematch ? Ofcourse there would. It would be a massive controversy. A rematch wouldnt even be debated, it would just automatically happen so why isnt it happening in this case?

Thats the point we are making

The thing is.. how hard would it of been for MAB to simply say " I don't want to continue " or even his corner to do so.. it isn't 100% up to the referee or the doctor, it's just as important to the boxer and his corner. So I keep hearing " yeah but he's mexican... he would of gone on if both of his legs had been broken and his arm bit off". Well that's his fault then isn't it.. the referee (or was it the doctor?) had a long talk with him in the 3rd or 4th round and asked him if he wanted to continue, he said yes.. it's that simple.

Look at it this way, if you were about to get into a fight with someone twice as big as you, and your best friend is telling you not to fight, you shouldnt do it etc but you still do, then you get your ass handed to you.. then you cry to your friend " why did you let me fight "... this is same kinda situation. It isn't Khans fault. It isn't the referees fault. It's Marco's fault...

Disagree there . It IS 100% up to the referee! Since when did a fighter during a fight have the authority to make a medical decision? The referee takes advice from the doctor. Why was the cut fine in round 1 to continue for 12 rounds but in round 5 it suddenly bacame too bad?!

As for how hard would it be for Marco to quit . . . . . It would be very hard. He hasnt quit yet and he isnt gonna start against an overhyped chinny Brit.

The decision isnt Amirs fault but the reason I want to see him suffer is becuase of his attitude talking of how it was an easy fight as if it had nothing to do with the headbutt then denying Barrera a rematch. Shows he really is a Khunt.

[Gandalf]

Sorry about calling people twits BTW. That wasn't very nice of me.

[Gandalf]

Had the result been the other way round, Khan got nutted but wobbled Barrera, they let it go 5 and gave Barrera a win. Would there be calls for a rematch ? Ofcourse there would. It would be a massive controversy. A rematch wouldnt even be debated, it would just automatically happen so why isnt it happening in this case?

Thats the point we are making

The thing is.. how hard would it of been for MAB to simply say " I don't want to continue " or even his corner to do so.. it isn't 100% up to the referee or the doctor, it's just as important to the boxer and his corner. So I keep hearing " yeah but he's mexican... he would of gone on if both of his legs had been broken and his arm bit off". Well that's his fault then isn't it.. the referee (or was it the doctor?) had a long talk with him in the 3rd or 4th round and asked him if he wanted to continue, he said yes.. it's that simple.

Look at it this way, if you were about to get into a fight with someone twice as big as you, and your best friend is telling you not to fight, you shouldnt do it etc but you still do, then you get your ass handed to you.. then you cry to your friend " why did you let me fight "... this is same kinda situation. It isn't Khans fault. It isn't the referees fault. It's Marco's fault...

Disagree there . It IS 100% up to the referee! Since when did a fighter during a fight have the authority to make a medical decision? The referee takes advice from the doctor. Why was the cut fine in round 1 to continue for 12 rounds but in round 5 it suddenly bacame too bad?!

As for how hard would it be for Marco to quit . . . . . It would be very hard. He hasnt quit yet and he isnt gonna start against an overhyped chinny Brit.

The decision isnt Amirs fault but the reason I want to see him suffer is becuase of his attitude talking of how it was an easy fight as if it had nothing to do with the headbutt then denying Barrera a rematch. Shows he really is a Khunt.

Totally agree with all that.

It is beyond me how it wasn't stopped sooner. Fights have been stopped for FAR less than that. The cut was the same at the end of the first as it was in the fifth. The officiating was truly random and a disgrace.

I don't see how Barrera can be blamed. He is fighter and not a politician. Of course he would carry on until his eyes fell out. But that isn't really the point here as we know.

[DatsiK]

Ok.. so if you're adamant you're going with the " of course he wouldn't of quit" excuse.. it should of been up to the corner to go " hey doc, pull our man out of there"... but they obviously thought Barrera could go on and win the match despite the cut.. so maybe you should be blaming Barrera's corner.

[Puerto Rican Punch]

I was hoping to see how Khan would react in the late rounds if the fight extended, but the headbut did not help. Although Barrera is past his prime, I believe that he deserves the rematch, specially after that end. May be Khan and his team think that this would be too much of a risk, but this can be a good opportunity for him to clear any doubts or... just sink to bottom... I just did not like the end of the fight, and I would like to see the fight ending with a win for any of them, but using the fists not the heads.

[DatsiK]

lol.. just got negged rep saying I should " tread lightly you nutless bastard "... so I guess this is how pissed off the barrera fanboys really are?

Seriously, you neg rep me because I have a different opinion than yours? I thought we were all suppose to be adults here.

[GAME]

Ok.. so if you're adamant you're going with the " of course he wouldn't of quit" excuse.. it should of been up to the corner to go " hey doc, pull our man out of there"... but they obviously thought Barrera could go on and win the match despite the cut.. so maybe you should be blaming Barrera's corner.

No I blame the referee. He made yet another terrible decision recently with Rogan . Dave Paris cant do his job anymore and shouldnt be allowed to keep making such stupid mistakes.

Barrera was the one who got cut from the headbut so he shouldnt be punished by being given a loss on his record. He couldnt continue because of the injury and the injury alone therefore I cant even to begin to understand the counter argument that Khan won fair and sqaure and doesnt need to give a rematch.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Had the result been the other way round, Khan got nutted but wobbled Barrera, they let it go 5 and gave Barrera a win. Would there be calls for a rematch ? Ofcourse there would. It would be a massive controversy. A rematch wouldnt even be debated, it would just automatically happen so why isnt it happening in this case?

Thats the point we are making

The thing is.. how hard would it of been for MAB to simply say " I don't want to continue " or even his corner to do so.. it isn't 100% up to the referee or the doctor, it's just as important to the boxer and his corner. So I keep hearing " yeah but he's mexican... he would of gone on if both of his legs had been broken and his arm bit off". Well that's his fault then isn't it.. the referee (or was it the doctor?) had a long talk with him in the 3rd or 4th round and asked him if he wanted to continue, he said yes.. it's that simple.

Look at it this way, if you were about to get into a fight with someone twice as big as you, and your best friend is telling you not to fight, you shouldnt do it etc but you still do, then you get your ass handed to you.. then you cry to your friend " why did you let me fight "... this is same kinda situation. It isn't Khans fault. It isn't the referees fault. It's Marco's fault...

Amazing. It's now Barreras' fault for not quitting?
What don't people understand? It is not up to the fighter to quit. It was a matter of safety and that's what the Dr. and ref are for. Watch the replay when the doc finally looks at the cut. It's dripping off his face.
A week later on prizefighter a cut less severe than that resulted in the fight getting stopped in the same round. Not five rounds later.

It was bullshit then and it's bullshit now.

[DatsiK]

Amazing. It's now Barreras' fault for not quitting?
What don't people understand? It is not up to the fighter to quit. It was a matter of safety and that's what the Dr. and ref are for.
It was bullshit then and it's bullshit now.

How can you say that? In the last few years alone we've seen countless fights where either the boxer or his corner have told the ref they're not going to continue, for far less worse cuts and bruising... but I guess MAB and his corner are too 'mexican' to do that, right?

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Amazing. It's now Barreras' fault for not quitting?
What don't people understand? It is not up to the fighter to quit. It was a matter of safety and that's what the Dr. and ref are for.
It was bullshit then and it's bullshit now.

How can you say that? In the last few years alone we've seen countless fights where either the boxer or his corner have told the ref they're not going to continue, for far less worse cuts and bruising... but I guess MAB and his corner are too 'mexican' to do that, right?

I can say it because it's true. And how many times have we criticised corners, refs and doctors for letting a fighter continue taking a beating? How many times have we praised them? How many times has the boxer protested they were ok to continue?

Barrera 'quits' and he loses.

It's my belief and many others that the doctor and ref got it wrong, badly.



20. b. Accidental: If a boxer is accidentally injured and cannot continue fighting before the completion of the fourth round, the fight shall be declared a technical draw. If a boxer is accidentally injured and as a result the referee determines that he cannot continue fighting in that or later rounds, the result of the fight shall be determined by the judges’ scorecards as long as four rounds have been completed. The fighter ahead on the scorecards shall be declared the winner by technical decision. If there is a draw in the scorecards, the bout shall be declared a draw.
21. Referee’s Authority . The referee shall exercise immediate authority, direction, and control over the fight to which he has been designated, and it shall be his responsibility to enforce the rules and regulations governing the bout. The referee shall be the only authorized person to determine if a foul has produced an injury, and if it was accidental or intentional. The referee shall have the authority to stop a fight and make a decision if he considers that the bout has become dangerously one-sided, or if any of the boxers is in such condition that if the fight continues he is likely to suffer serious injury. He may disqualify a boxer or cornerman. He may consult the physician in attendance on whether the contest should be stopped.

[DatsiK]

[quote=Howlin Mad Missy;738873]

I can say it because it's true. And how many times have we criticised corners, refs and doctors for letting a fighter continue taking a beating? How many times have we praised them? How many times has the boxer protested they were ok to continue?

Barrera 'quits' and he loses.

It's my belief and many others that the doctor and ref got it wrong, badly.



20. b. Accidental: If a boxer is accidentally injured and cannot continue fighting before the completion of the fourth round, the fight shall be declared a technical draw. If a boxer is accidentally injured and as a result the referee determines that he cannot continue fighting in that or later rounds, the result of the fight shall be determined by the judges’ scorecards as long as four rounds have been completed. The fighter ahead on the scorecards shall be declared the winner by technical decision. If there is a draw in the scorecards, the bout shall be declared a draw.
21. Referee’s Authority . The referee shall exercise immediate authority, direction, and control over the fight to which he has been designated, and it shall be his responsibility to enforce the rules and regulations governing the bout. The referee shall be the only authorized person to determine if a foul has produced an injury, and if it was accidental or intentional. The referee shall have the authority to stop a fight and make a decision if he considers that the bout has become dangerously one-sided, or if any of the boxers is in such condition that if the fight continues he is likely to suffer serious injury. He may disqualify a boxer or cornerman. He may consult the physician in attendance on whether the contest should be stopped.

I'm aware of the rules Missy, but the point I'm making is if the referee fails to make a decision to pull a boxer out surely the corner should decide to take that responsibility? It's no good complaining about it after the fight when the corner could of simply stopped the fight.. yes it would of resulted in a loss but if the corner had MAB's best interests in heart that wouldn't matter much.

I'm not too bothered on this subject anyway, all MAB can do is fight some decent opposition and hope for a rematch at some point, but surely if you're such a legend as MAB and Khan is such a fake then MAB can set his sights higher. I think he can put up a good fight against any top opposition at 130-135, and I think he would of put up a good fight against Khan too.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

& the doctor could have as well. I still consider it a negligent act on their behalf.

I suspect the corner and Barrera knew the fight would be stopped by the cut sooner rather than later, Khans punches weren't doing a whole lot so give Barrera a chance by keeping him in the ring.

Thing is, it's created a lot of bad feeling because it robbed fans of an intriguing match-up over the distance that was ruined in 90 seconds. It should have been stopped. I don't much care if the crowd wouldn't have liked it. I wouldn't have liked it at the time but it would have been understandable. It was a cock-up. Khan fans declare it a wonderful scalp (literally) for his record, Barrera fans see it a cooked decision.

[ElTerribleMorales]

[quote=JoeyUK;738880]

I can say it because it's true. And how many times have we criticised corners, refs and doctors for letting a fighter continue taking a beating? How many times have we praised them? How many times has the boxer protested they were ok to continue?

Barrera 'quits' and he loses.

It's my belief and many others that the doctor and ref got it wrong, badly.



20. b. Accidental: If a boxer is accidentally injured and cannot continue fighting before the completion of the fourth round, the fight shall be declared a technical draw. If a boxer is accidentally injured and as a result the referee determines that he cannot continue fighting in that or later rounds, the result of the fight shall be determined by the judges’ scorecards as long as four rounds have been completed. The fighter ahead on the scorecards shall be declared the winner by technical decision. If there is a draw in the scorecards, the bout shall be declared a draw.
21. Referee’s Authority . The referee shall exercise immediate authority, direction, and control over the fight to which he has been designated, and it shall be his responsibility to enforce the rules and regulations governing the bout. The referee shall be the only authorized person to determine if a foul has produced an injury, and if it was accidental or intentional. The referee shall have the authority to stop a fight and make a decision if he considers that the bout has become dangerously one-sided, or if any of the boxers is in such condition that if the fight continues he is likely to suffer serious injury. He may disqualify a boxer or cornerman. He may consult the physician in attendance on whether the contest should be stopped.

I'm aware of the rules Missy, but the point I'm making is if the referee fails to make a decision to pull a boxer out surely the corner should decide to take that responsibility? It's no good complaining about it after the fight when the corner could of simply stopped the fight.. yes it would of resulted in a loss but if the corner had MAB's best interests in heart that wouldn't matter much.

I'm not too bothered on this subject anyway, all MAB can do is fight some decent opposition and hope for a rematch at some point, but surely if you're such a legend as MAB and Khan is such a fake then MAB can set his sights higher. I think he can put up a good fight against any top opposition at 130-135, and I think he would of put up a good fight against Khan too.

and not even, the ref had already ruled the gash to be caused by an accidental headbutt, so as long as they would have thrown in the towel or refused to come out due to the cut, it would have been a NC, it's kinda like what Camacho Jr did against Leija, only thing is his was just swelling and the SOB waited till about the 5th to quit so that he'd get the W by scorecards