where would pac be on atg list if....

[ElTerribleMorales]

PAC the only 4-time lineal champ, beating the top man in a division to become the man... I think that speaks a lot about PAC's legacy... It's very difficult to achieve 4 lineal titles...

PAC's 4 lineal titles:
1. Beat Hatton at 140 via KO2
2. Beat JMM at 130 via SD12
3. Beat Barrera at 126 via KO11
4. Beat Sasakul at 112 via KO8

Beating the man in a division via KO's.... That's impressive...

just cause you repeat it doesn't make it any more impressive, the JMM win, many will disregard it seeing how the vast majority see JMM as the winner, bringing it down to 3, something JMM already has done, hold 3 lineal titles, 126,130,135, back to back might i add, and never truly losing any of them

There goes your true color Mr. Erik... Aha ha ha ha ah ah ha JMM holding a lineal title at 126?? When was that?? JMM even lost to Chris John at 126... Where's your vaunted boxing knowledge Mr. Erik??
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Marquez was considered the MAN to beat at 126, this happened after Manny lost his socks before getting his ass beat by Marquez, and then ran like a bitch to 130 and refused a rematch, Morales was already at 130 when Manny became a known name at 126, and you're really questioning anyone BOXING knowledge? when the only thing you ever really ramble on about are gay little facts about Pacquiao's personal life, like what his favorite color undies are, you're really pathetic buddy

[XaduBoxer]

just cause you repeat it doesn't make it any more impressive, the JMM win, many will disregard it seeing how the vast majority see JMM as the winner, bringing it down to 3, something JMM already has done, hold 3 lineal titles, 126,130,135, back to back might i add, and never truly losing any of them

There goes your true color Mr. Erik... Aha ha ha ha ah ah ha JMM holding a lineal title at 126?? When was that?? JMM even lost to Chris John at 126... Where's your vaunted boxing knowledge Mr. Erik??
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Marquez was considered the MAN to beat at 126, this happened after Manny lost his socks before getting his ass beat by Marquez, and then ran like a bitch to 130 and refused a rematch, Morales was already at 130 when Manny became a known name at 126, and you're really questioning anyone BOXING knowledge? when the only thing you ever really ramble on about are gay little facts about Pacquiao's personal life, like what his favorite color undies are, you're really pathetic buddy

You're more laughable Mr. Erik coz you are making your own fantasy boxing record book Pity yourself Mr. Erik, if you want not to be laugh at, please refer your facts from the record books...

JMM the man to beat at 126?? fighting the likes of Salido, Polo and then lost to Chris John at 126... You're joking Mr. Erik...

PAC is the last man at 126 knocking out the previous man Barrera in 11 one sided rounds... That's the fact...
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[ElTerribleMorales]

There goes your true color Mr. Erik... Aha ha ha ha ah ah ha JMM holding a lineal title at 126?? When was that?? JMM even lost to Chris John at 126... Where's your vaunted boxing knowledge Mr. Erik??
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Marquez was considered the MAN to beat at 126, this happened after Manny lost his socks before getting his ass beat by Marquez, and then ran like a bitch to 130 and refused a rematch, Morales was already at 130 when Manny became a known name at 126, and you're really questioning anyone BOXING knowledge? when the only thing you ever really ramble on about are gay little facts about Pacquiao's personal life, like what his favorite color undies are, you're really pathetic buddy

You're more laughable Mr. Erik coz you are making your own fantasy boxing record book Pity yourself Mr. Erik, if you want not to be laugh at, please refer your facts from the record books...

JMM the man to beat at 126?? fighting the likes of Salido, Polo and then lost to Chris John at 126... You're joking Mr. Erik...

PAC is the last man at 126 knocking out the previous man Barrera in 11 one sided rounds... That's the fact...
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amazing, you don't even know your Manny facts, if anything it was 10 one sided rounds, cause Pacquiao was dropped on his ass in the first

get a hobby Mrs.Pacquiao AKA Saddoboxer, cause your obsession is getting even more unhealthy than before

Manny's gonna have to be careful, your ass might turn out to be like the bitch in that movie Obsessed

[fan johnny]

DLH only the third to win in 5 divisions and FIRST in 6, has a better resume IMO and still doesn't make it in top 20, you can easily take apart Manny's accomplishments an see they don't measure up to other great fighters from the past, who on top of what they had to deal with IN the ring, also had a lot more shit like racism and segregation happening out the ring, yet managed to do great things

PAC the only 4-time lineal champ, beating the top man in a division to become the man... I think that speaks a lot about PAC's legacy... It's very difficult to achieve 4 lineal titles...

PAC's 4 lineal titles:
1. Beat Hatton at 140 via KO2
2. Beat JMM at 130 via SD12
3. Beat Barrera at 126 via KO11
4. Beat Sasakul at 112 via KO8

Beating the man in a division via KO's.... That's impressive...

just cause you repeat it doesn't make it any more impressive, the JMM win, many will disregard it seeing how the vast majority see JMM as the winner, bringing it down to 3, something JMM already has done, hold 3 lineal titles, 126,130,135, back to back might i add, and never truly losing any of them

Repeating it doesn't make it less impressive either. It just makes it redundant.

I think top 25 is a fair assessment, although in another 10 years we'll have hindsite. I'd say he accomplishes wins over Mosley, Mayeather and JMM he's on a few top 10's, I think Mayweather has to stay undefeated when he loses to and he wins convincinly over JMM otherwise he gets labeled as a old man beater. Sh*t he gets labeled as that now. A win over Cotto has more legacy value than a win over JMM at this point in his career.

[Spicoli]

There goes your true color Mr. Erik... Aha ha ha ha ah ah ha JMM holding a lineal title at 126?? When was that?? JMM even lost to Chris John at 126... Where's your vaunted boxing knowledge Mr. Erik??
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Marquez was considered the MAN to beat at 126, this happened after Manny lost his socks before getting his ass beat by Marquez, and then ran like a bitch to 130 and refused a rematch, Morales was already at 130 when Manny became a known name at 126, and you're really questioning anyone BOXING knowledge? when the only thing you ever really ramble on about are gay little facts about Pacquiao's personal life, like what his favorite color undies are, you're really pathetic buddy

You're more laughable Mr. Erik coz you are making your own fantasy boxing record book Pity yourself Mr. Erik, if you want not to be laugh at, please refer your facts from the record books...

JMM the man to beat at 126?? fighting the likes of Salido, Polo and then lost to Chris John at 126... You're joking Mr. Erik...

PAC is the last man at 126 knocking out the previous man Barrera in 11 one sided rounds... That's the fact...
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Was it not Marquez hanging with and many would say defeating Your Pacquiao just prior to his fights with Salido and Polo.....you remember "the draw" thus going even up Just a little too much reliance put into trinket collection rather than beating the very best in the respected weight divisions,that goes for all Fighters Imo.......It was john picking up JMMs WBA strap after he was stripped.That last descision between Pac and JMM will be argued for endless moons,even the beloved Roach said it could have gone either way.

[ElTerribleMorales]

PAC the only 4-time lineal champ, beating the top man in a division to become the man... I think that speaks a lot about PAC's legacy... It's very difficult to achieve 4 lineal titles...

PAC's 4 lineal titles:
1. Beat Hatton at 140 via KO2
2. Beat JMM at 130 via SD12
3. Beat Barrera at 126 via KO11
4. Beat Sasakul at 112 via KO8

Beating the man in a division via KO's.... That's impressive...

just cause you repeat it doesn't make it any more impressive, the JMM win, many will disregard it seeing how the vast majority see JMM as the winner, bringing it down to 3, something JMM already has done, hold 3 lineal titles, 126,130,135, back to back might i add, and never truly losing any of them

Repeating it doesn't make it less impressive either. It just makes it redundant.

I think top 25 is a fair assessment, although in another 10 years we'll have hindsite. I'd say he accomplishes wins over Mosley, Mayeather and JMM he's on a few top 10's, I think Mayweather has to stay undefeated when he loses to and he wins convincinly over JMM otherwise he gets labeled as a old man beater. Sh*t he gets labeled as that now. A win over Cotto has more legacy value than a win over JMM at this point in his career.

exactly what im saying, but i repeat if you don't have Manny as #1 P4P ATG fighter, they tend to get pissy

[XaduBoxer]

Marquez was considered the MAN to beat at 126, this happened after Manny lost his socks before getting his ass beat by Marquez, and then ran like a bitch to 130 and refused a rematch, Morales was already at 130 when Manny became a known name at 126, and you're really questioning anyone BOXING knowledge? when the only thing you ever really ramble on about are gay little facts about Pacquiao's personal life, like what his favorite color undies are, you're really pathetic buddy

You're more laughable Mr. Erik coz you are making your own fantasy boxing record book Pity yourself Mr. Erik, if you want not to be laugh at, please refer your facts from the record books...

JMM the man to beat at 126?? fighting the likes of Salido, Polo and then lost to Chris John at 126... You're joking Mr. Erik...

PAC is the last man at 126 knocking out the previous man Barrera in 11 one sided rounds... That's the fact...
.

Was it not Marquez hanging with and many would say defeating Your Pacquiao just prior to his fights with Salido and Polo.....you remember "the draw" thus going even up Just a little too much reliance put into trinket collection rather than beating the very best in the respected weight divisions,that goes for all Fighters Imo.......It was john picking up JMMs WBA strap after he was stripped.That last descision between Pac and JMM will be argued for endless moons,even the beloved Roach said it could have gone either way.

Dude, PAC's other 3 lineal titles were clear claims since PAC KO'ed the man to become the man... The JMM fights were close, get over it or else people will laugh at you if you used it as a fact... Facts were compiled in official record books, understand??
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[XaduBoxer]

just cause you repeat it doesn't make it any more impressive, the JMM win, many will disregard it seeing how the vast majority see JMM as the winner, bringing it down to 3, something JMM already has done, hold 3 lineal titles, 126,130,135, back to back might i add, and never truly losing any of them

Repeating it doesn't make it less impressive either. It just makes it redundant.

I think top 25 is a fair assessment, although in another 10 years we'll have hindsite. I'd say he accomplishes wins over Mosley, Mayeather and JMM he's on a few top 10's, I think Mayweather has to stay undefeated when he loses to and he wins convincinly over JMM otherwise he gets labeled as a old man beater. Sh*t he gets labeled as that now. A win over Cotto has more legacy value than a win over JMM at this point in his career.

exactly what im saying, but i repeat if you don't have Manny as #1 P4P ATG fighter, they tend to get pissy

Dude you're twisting the facts... What we claimed is PAC currently #1 P4P (no arguments in this) and maybe Top 30 ATG (needs lot of discussion)... Don't twist our claims Dude...
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[Spicoli]

You're more laughable Mr. Erik coz you are making your own fantasy boxing record book Pity yourself Mr. Erik, if you want not to be laugh at, please refer your facts from the record books...

JMM the man to beat at 126?? fighting the likes of Salido, Polo and then lost to Chris John at 126... You're joking Mr. Erik...

PAC is the last man at 126 knocking out the previous man Barrera in 11 one sided rounds... That's the fact...
.

Was it not Marquez hanging with and many would say defeating Your Pacquiao just prior to his fights with Salido and Polo.....you remember "the draw" thus going even up Just a little too much reliance put into trinket collection rather than beating the very best in the respected weight divisions,that goes for all Fighters Imo.......It was john picking up JMMs WBA strap after he was stripped.That last descision between Pac and JMM will be argued for endless moons,even the beloved Roach said it could have gone either way.

Dude, PAC's other 3 lineal titles were clear claims since PAC KO'ed the man to become the man... The JMM fights were close, get over it or else people will laugh at you if you used it as a fact... Facts were compiled in official record books, understand??
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Dude...your seriously telling me that 'the man' at light was trinket warmer David Diaz?I know he ko'd Santa-Cruz with a lucky brick...and Santa-Cruz 'lost' to The man Casamayor (who JMM Ko'd) but Diaz was not the best by any means.But yeah,the record books say Casa beat Santa-Cruz ,so facts are facts right

I very much am over it as far a JMM and Pacquiao....but dont believe everything you read on Box-rec brutha,I just dont see anyone else constantly posting up Marquez/Manny fight pics,name dropping and rehashing history with your predictability though

[XaduBoxer]

Was it not Marquez hanging with and many would say defeating Your Pacquiao just prior to his fights with Salido and Polo.....you remember "the draw" thus going even up Just a little too much reliance put into trinket collection rather than beating the very best in the respected weight divisions,that goes for all Fighters Imo.......It was john picking up JMMs WBA strap after he was stripped.That last descision between Pac and JMM will be argued for endless moons,even the beloved Roach said it could have gone either way.

Dude, PAC's other 3 lineal titles were clear claims since PAC KO'ed the man to become the man... The JMM fights were close, get over it or else people will laugh at you if you used it as a fact... Facts were compiled in official record books, understand??
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Dude...your seriously telling me that 'the man' at light was trinket warmer David Diaz?I know he ko'd Santa-Cruz with a lucky brick...and Santa-Cruz 'lost' to The man Casamayor (who JMM Ko'd) but Diaz was not the best by any means.But yeah,the record books say Casa beat Santa-Cruz ,so facts are facts right

I very much am over it as far a JMM and Pacquiao....but dont believe everything you read on Box-rec brutha,I just dont see anyone else constantly posting up Marquez/Manny fight pics,name dropping and rehashing history with your predictability though

Come'on lil' Brother... I only posted that PAC deserves high ATG ranking coz he's the only boxer achieving 4 lineal titles... then someone drag that old PAC-JMM-who-wins issue...

And lil' brother, I think the Casa-Santa Cruz fiasco happened after David Diaz beat Santa Cruz so Diaz can't get credit out of it...
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[ElTerribleMorales]

Repeating it doesn't make it less impressive either. It just makes it redundant.

I think top 25 is a fair assessment, although in another 10 years we'll have hindsite. I'd say he accomplishes wins over Mosley, Mayeather and JMM he's on a few top 10's, I think Mayweather has to stay undefeated when he loses to and he wins convincinly over JMM otherwise he gets labeled as a old man beater. Sh*t he gets labeled as that now. A win over Cotto has more legacy value than a win over JMM at this point in his career.

exactly what im saying, but i repeat if you don't have Manny as #1 P4P ATG fighter, they tend to get pissy

Dude you're twisting the facts... What we claimed is PAC currently #1 P4P (no arguments in this) and maybe Top 30 ATG (needs lot of discussion)... Don't twist our claims Dude...
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you and plenty others Pacstraighleft being one of them, kept on insisting that Manny should be considered p4p #1 Greatest of all Time right after the Hatton fight, and if that's not a load of crap i don't know what is

Dude, PAC's other 3 lineal titles were clear claims since PAC KO'ed the man to become the man... The JMM fights were close, get over it or else people will laugh at you if you used it as a fact... Facts were compiled in official record books, understand??
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Dude...your seriously telling me that 'the man' at light was trinket warmer David Diaz?I know he ko'd Santa-Cruz with a lucky brick...and Santa-Cruz 'lost' to The man Casamayor (who JMM Ko'd) but Diaz was not the best by any means.But yeah,the record books say Casa beat Santa-Cruz ,so facts are facts right

I very much am over it as far a JMM and Pacquiao....but dont believe everything you read on Box-rec brutha,I just dont see anyone else constantly posting up Marquez/Manny fight pics,name dropping and rehashing history with your predictability though

Come'on lil' Brother... I only posted that PAC deserves high ATG ranking coz he's the only boxer achieving 4 lineal titles... then someone drag that old PAC-JMM-who-wins issue...

And lil' brother, I think the Casa-Santa Cruz fiasco happened after David Diaz beat Santa Cruz so Diaz can't get credit out of it...
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no he can't get any credit cause Diaz is a bum fighter who's 2 biggest wins are a lucky KO in a fight he was losing, and a gift decision against a shot fighter, easy as that

[XaduBoxer]

exactly what im saying, but i repeat if you don't have Manny as #1 P4P ATG fighter, they tend to get pissy

Dude you're twisting the facts... What we claimed is PAC currently #1 P4P (no arguments in this) and maybe Top 30 ATG (needs lot of discussion)... Don't twist our claims Dude...
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you and plenty others Pacstraighleft being one of them, kept on insisting that Manny should be considered p4p #1 Greatest of all Time right after the Hatton fight, and if that's not a load of crap i don't know what is

Dude, I didn't claim PAC is the #1 GOAT after the Hatton fight... You can post here the link if I really did that... I also doubt Pacstraighleft would make such claim tho I'm not really aware of it...
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[Spicoli]

PAC the only boxer to capture 4 lineal titles at 140, 130, 126 and 112... He's also the 2nd boxer so far to capture titles in 6 divisions at 140, 135, 130, 126, 122 and 112... PAC is the only boxer right now having a good chance to attain a title in 7th weight division if he will go that route...

With the above credentials, PAC a Top 5 ATG or Top 10 easily...
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You know...who would you rank above him as all time great ?

[SaltyBacon]

he'll be top 20 but it'll never happen

[brucelee]

Pac is top 5 right now so he would be fighting for top position if he beats Mayweather convincingly, and defeats Mosley and Cotto.