The Ashes 2009

[Memphis]

Andrew Flintoff is the most over rated player i have ever seen one ashes series in 2005 doesnt make you a world beator

Obviously never heard of Graham Hick or Martin Hague?

Flintoffs been plagued with injury pretty much since 2005. He was reaching his peak then and gave one of the greatest sides in history more than they could cope with. I think that qualifies you for world beater status.

Flintoff isnt an allrounder, never really has been, he's a strike bowler who can make a few quick runs down the order.

Australia or any other team for that matter would much rather take on a Flintoffless England. Thats how good Flintoff is, or was.

[skel1983]

Andrew Flintoff is the most over rated player i have ever seen one ashes series in 2005 doesnt make you a world beator

Obviously never heard of Graham Hick or Martin Hague?

Flintoffs been plagued with injury pretty much since 2005. He was reaching his peak then and gave one of the greatest sides in history more than they could cope with. I think that qualifies you for world beater status.

Flintoff isnt an allrounder, never really has been, he's a strike bowler who can make a few quick runs down the order.

Australia or any other team for that matter would much rather take on a Flintoffless England. Thats how good Flintoff is, or was.

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Graham Hick and Martin Hague? There nowhere near WorldClass, Flintoff is good player but he is classed as some amazing player which he is not, hes verages in both forms are exactly that average. He played great in 2005, but has gone missing in most other big events,i.e 2007 Ashes.

Flintoff would be a bonus in the team becasue England are shit, but whatim saying is i Never seen any cricketer who gets so much praise when if you look closely at his actull stats there very basic.

[Snakey]

Must agree, the last time England won the ashes Flintoff was key. I dont know shit all about cricket but i know Flintoff is dangerous.

[bikersk]

Should be an interesting series but it's not cricket season here so wont attract too much attention unless we lose badly. We were not expected to beat South Africa in the test series after they handed our asses to us here at home last tour. But they did well to win the test series i south africa. The aussies went down in the one day series though where we were expected to win as we won that on the last tour here by south africa following the loss in the Test series. Australia and South Africa are the two top sides at both forms of the game at the moment so England will get a chance to see how they compare to one of the two top sides.

[HattonTheHammer]

Anyone remember the edgbaston test when australia needed 2 runs to win the match and kasprowitz gloved one to the wicket keeper??

Cricket is hardly a working mans sport but even i remember being down the gym the last day of the final test and seeing men, women and children stood around the tv screens biting their nails!!

that was some fucking series!!

[skel1983]

Anyone remember the edgbaston test when australia needed 2 runs to win the match and kasprowitz gloved one to the wicket keeper??

Cricket is hardly a working mans sport but even i remember being down the gym the last day of the final test and seeing men, women and children stood around the tv screens biting their nails!!

that was some fucking series!!

Totally agree mate amazing series that one, i dotn think we will ever see anything like that again.

[Mark TKO]

i think thats the thing - though i don't follow it from what I remember that series had 3 really close finishes ?

everyone was saying we will never see anything like that again

so there you go - no point watching it any more

end of problem

[Memphis]

Andrew Flintoff is the most over rated player i have ever seen one ashes series in 2005 doesnt make you a world beator

Obviously never heard of Graham Hick or Martin Hague?

Flintoffs been plagued with injury pretty much since 2005. He was reaching his peak then and gave one of the greatest sides in history more than they could cope with. I think that qualifies you for world beater status.

Flintoff isnt an allrounder, never really has been, he's a strike bowler who can make a few quick runs down the order.

Australia or any other team for that matter would much rather take on a Flintoffless England. Thats how good Flintoff is, or was.

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Graham Hick and Martin Hague? There nowhere near WorldClass, Flintoff is good player but he is classed as some amazing player which he is not, hes verages in both forms are exactly that average. He played great in 2005, but has gone missing in most other big events,i.e 2007 Ashes.

Flintoff would be a bonus in the team becasue England are shit, but whatim saying is i Never seen any cricketer who gets so much praise when if you look closely at his actull stats there very basic.

Exactly, but both were offered up as some kind of saviour of English cricket. Hick got found out by the Windies (no arsehole) and Hague was a fat bloke who kidded lots of people into believing he was a world class quick.

Flintoff did it at the very highest level against one of the best teams in cricket history, its a shame injury robbed him of the chance to move on from there. The impact he had in 2005 wasnt a fluke, he really was that good.