so is that it for angulo??

[Majesty]

Why do so many boxing fans put so much emphasis on undefeated records? An defeated record against a bunch of club fighters means nothing. This loss doesn't hurt Angulo at all. He lost to world class former belt holder who has only lost (or stolen a draw) to world class fighters. Angulo took on Cintron in his 16th professional fights. After 15 fights, Ricky Hatton and Joe Calzaghe were still fighting club fighters at that point.

Angulo showed a lot of heart and chin on Saturday. He didn't quit and made a good fight. He won some rounds late and came away lossing only 116-112. A clear loss, but not a total rout. He pushed Cintron pretty hard in the second half of the fight.

Boxing would be better off if more fighters did what Angulo did and took a risk. I'm sure he'll go back too the drawing board and come back stronger. Guys who fight with his style and heart can always get fights after competitive losses. Look at Andrade. Was his career hurt by losses to Kessler and Bute?

So were Mayweather, Mosley, Hopkins, Roy, Pavlik, etc etc etc.. that's the norm for almost all promising fighters, it's not exclusive to Brits.

David Haye was in with former "world" champions from his 10th fight.

No, it's not exclusive to Brits at all. Mayweather did win his first championship with 17 pro fights, but all the other names you mentioned were brought along slowly as well. I give Haye a lot of credit for his willingness to take tough fights. A few of his countrymen could learn a lesson or two from him when it comes to williness to make meaningful fights while they are still young.

Haye getting exposed early in his career was actually the best thing to happen to him. Its better when someone gets beat after 10 fights, it gives them time to improve. Its better then being 48 and 0 before losing because at that point you don't know any other way to win.

[J_Undisputed]

The Cintron fight was entirely winnable for a guy like Angulo. With Cintron backpeddling all night and pumping the jab and throwing occasional combos, there was ample opportunity for Angulo to force the fight wear down Cintron. I applaud Cintron on still having one punch power and stepping up his work on mobility under Shields and he did the smart thing by turning on Angulo. But in Angulo stepped up the pace and the pressure and threw in a little head movement for Cintrons jab, its a different fight and I think Angulo could have worn him down. Keeping Cintron moving would be key to not letting him set his feet for big shots or combos... plus I still thing Cintron is a little punchy. It was winnable fight, I just think Angulo is the kind of guy that goes on heart and wears downs fighters with pressure and he needed to taylor that style to a guy that was going to try to box him. Angulo has better potential to be a pressure fighter than Cintron does to be a slick boxer.

[Quinito]

The first and second round was hard to score. But I thought Cintron won 'em by a tiny margin. Angulo's tactic was to steal round in last remaining seconds, which didn't really impress a lot of people. Good win for the cry baby Cintron.

As for Angulo. I don't know man. It's difinitely a good lecture for him. But I don't think I like his sore loser attitude. I'm talking about when he bailed out right away after they announced the winner.

[El Kabong]

I think we just saw that even instinctive boxers can be beaten by guys who are TAUGHT boxing. Ronnie Shields is a very underrated trainer, he's worked with some very good fighters and when fighters listen to good trainers you get good results.

Angulo may want to be like Julio Cesar Chavez but he's going to have to be able to outwork guys like Cintron and use defense to set up counter shots (which were there BTW) and stop FOLLOWING Cintron and cut the ring off.....that was ridiculous.

Angulo-Margarito sounds like a good match eventhough I think Toni is 100% done because of #1 Plaster-gate and #2 Shane Mosley cracked his jaw

[XaduBoxer]

I hope Angulo will fight undefeated prospect Scottish Craig McEwan now...

link --> http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...ig-mcewan.html

It's defeated prospect vs. undefeated prospect...

[Taeth]

He just isn't talented enough to do anything big. He has a lot of heart and determination, but the skills and the ability to compete with the best just aren't there.

[killersheep]

He just isn't talented enough to do anything big. He has a lot of heart and determination, but the skills and the ability to compete with the best just aren't there.

There are plenty of entertaining fights he could make at 154 though. He could have a Gatti-esque career.

[HattonTheHammer]

He just isn't talented enough to do anything big. He has a lot of heart and determination, but the skills and the ability to compete with the best just aren't there.

There are plenty of entertaining fights he could make at 154 though. He could have a Gatti-esque career.

bit harsh to suggest one bad performance now completely demotes him to a gatti like underdog career.

To be fair before saturday many of us including myself were touting alfredo for great things and even on the back of a narrow points defeat to a man whos been in with quality opposition there were glimpses of class during the contest when he was able to back up a far rangeier fighter in those later rounds.

I dont see how a guy thats getting beat by kermit cintron can go on to become the world star people had hoped. But theres definitely an odd world title in there surely??

[No Contest]

This is what every young prospect goes through after their first loss. He's done no hope for a title, people write em off. Its the guys that come back and get better that are truely destined to be greats. I will see how he bounces back before writing him off. He's definitely not too old to learn new tricks.

[Myk_Myk]

This is what every young prospect goes through after their first loss. He's done no hope for a title, people write em off. Its the guys that come back and get better that are truely destined to be greats. I will see how he bounces back before writing him off. He's definitely not too old to learn new tricks.

Amen.

Is alfredo now destined for 2nd tier mediocrity only getting to appear on after card undercards fighting mid level opposition from now until the end of his career?

It is completely possible to come back from a bad night and im pretty sure the interest is still there. But getting outfought and outworked by cintron doesnt bode well for the future does it??

We looking at another mayorga or perhaps a guy who just had a really bad night??

rematch anyone

They were talking during the fight that he had problems making weight. It's not a coincidence that people usually have bad performances when they struggle making weight.

As I said in another post I started to feel less optimistic about Angulo winning after hearing the talk about that. Even so, Cintron's by body language it looked like he wanted to quit at times.

I also think Angulo's corner is partly to blame. Cintron was doing one nice thing to negate Angulo's right hand: He was rolling up his left shoulder and tucking his chin under it, a la PBF. Plus he was moving well.

Later in the fight Cintron was clearly bothered by Angulo's body attack. If they had urged Angulo to go after the body earlier it would have slowed him down, and his hands would have dropped. I think the outcome could very well have been different.

It also seems that anyone fighting Cintron should practice stepping back and throwing upper cuts, because even though he's worked on it, he still bends way over esp. when he's tired.

[ICB]

I've never thought Alfredo Anuglo was that good, Victor Ortiz is a better come forward fighter than Alfredo Angulo. And prospects like Abner Mares, Devon Alexander, Yuriorkis Gamboa, always looked like they have much more promising career's than Alfredo Angulo would ever have.

If Alfredo Angulo is the real deal he should of beaten Kermit Cintron, who is a good fighter but not that good and his power is slightly overrated aswell. Even a very limited fighter in Jessie Feliciano was giving Kermit Cintron much more problems.

And even the undersized and past it Lovemore N'dou done not that much worse than Alfredo Angulo. Im sorry but i can't see Alfredo Angulo getting better. He fights one way and if he can't break a fighter with a suspect heart.

Then he isn't that good of a come forward fighter, because B and C class fighters have able to be just as effective against Kermit Cintron. It was the right fight to be made and at the right time no excuses.

Too see if Alfredo Angulo is the real deal and he isn't, i can't ever see him going very far or picking up a belt. Even though the Jr Middleweight isn't a hot division it still isn't that weak either.

You got fighters like James Kirkland, Daniel Santos, Cory Spinks, Sergiy Dzinziruk, Yuri Foreman, Vernon Forrest, Sergio, Martinez. Who i think would all beat Alfredo Angulo.

[Myk_Myk]

I've never thought Alfredo Anuglo was that good, Victor Ortiz is a better come forward fighter than Alfredo Angulo. And prospects like Abner Mares, Devon Alexander, Yuriorkis Gamboa, always looked like they have much more promising career's than Alfredo Angulo would ever have.

If Alfredo Angulo is the real deal he should of beaten Kermit Cintron, who is a good fighter but not that good and his power is slightly overrated aswell. Even a very limited fighter in Jessie Feliciano was giving Kermit Cintron much more problems.

And even the undersized and past it Lovemore N'dou done not that much worse than Alfredo Angulo. Im sorry but i can't see Alfredo Angulo getting better. He fights one way and if he can't break a fighter with a suspect heart.

Then he isn't that good of a come forward fighter, because B and C class fighters have able to be just as effective against Kermit Cintron. It was the right fight to be made and at the right time no excuses.

The only thing is that Kermit fought Feliciano and N'dou differently they he fought Angulo.

Too see if Alfredo Angulo is the real deal and he isn't, i can't ever see him going very far or picking up a belt. Even though the Jr Middleweight isn't a hot division it still isn't that weak either.

You got fighters like James Kirkland, Daniel Santos, Cory Spinks, Sergiy Dzinziruk, Yuri Foreman, Vernon Forrest, Sergio, Martinez. Who i think would all beat Alfredo Angulo.

Well you do have a good point here when you think about it. I'd love to see Kirkland fight Cintron... I was in a let's-wait-and-see attitude with Angulo, before, and I still am after this fight. Yeah, he's lacking and he has some definite flaws. But, I still think he was a good bit shy of 100%, he didn't get the best advice early, he's young and can still learn, and he has heart. I certainly still look forward to seeing his next fight!