so is that it for angulo??

[OumaFan]

There are plenty of entertaining fights he could make at 154 though. He could have a Gatti-esque career.

bit harsh to suggest one bad performance now completely demotes him to a gatti like underdog career.

To be fair before saturday many of us including myself were touting alfredo for great things and even on the back of a narrow points defeat to a man whos been in with quality opposition there were glimpses of class during the contest when he was able to back up a far rangeier fighter in those later rounds.

I dont see how a guy thats getting beat by kermit cintron can go on to become the world star people had hoped. But theres definitely an odd world title in there surely??

Gatti was a two weight division major belt champion. At 130, he was top tier fighter. For a variety of reason, including his lifestyle, he couldn't make that weight for that long. He has a rough patch in the middle of his career, and he fought longer than he should have. If you only remember the Gatti who fought Oscar, Floyd, Baldy, and Gomez, than you would probably under rate him.

Gatti was much faster than Angulo and had better boxing skills when he chose to use them. He got outclassed against much a much better bigger Oscar and Floyd Mayweather. His last few fights he was shot.

You beat me to it, Gatti can be a bit underrated, he was far more naturally talented than Angulo, Angulo should consider himself extremely lucky if he has a Gatti-esque career.

[HattonTheHammer]

bit harsh to suggest one bad performance now completely demotes him to a gatti like underdog career.

To be fair before saturday many of us including myself were touting alfredo for great things and even on the back of a narrow points defeat to a man whos been in with quality opposition there were glimpses of class during the contest when he was able to back up a far rangeier fighter in those later rounds.

I dont see how a guy thats getting beat by kermit cintron can go on to become the world star people had hoped. But theres definitely an odd world title in there surely??

Gatti was a two weight division major belt champion. At 130, he was top tier fighter. For a variety of reason, including his lifestyle, he couldn't make that weight for that long. He has a rough patch in the middle of his career, and he fought longer than he should have. If you only remember the Gatti who fought Oscar, Floyd, Baldy, and Gomez, than you would probably under rate him.

Gatti was much faster than Angulo and had better boxing skills when he chose to use them. He got outclassed against much a much better bigger Oscar and Floyd Mayweather. His last few fights he was shot.

You beat me to it, Gatti can be a bit underrated, he was far more naturally talented than Angulo, Angulo should consider himself extremely lucky if he has a Gatti-esque career.

Arturo was a deserved champ but even the staunchest of gatti fan has to admit that the last 2-3 years of his career he got those big fights not through merit but in that he was exciting to watch all the time and his wide open defence provided a very solid chin.

Ricardo Mayorga has pretty much made a living of not being a succesful fighter but being a very exciting come forward, solid fighter which is what i fear may end up happening now to angulo

[OumaFan]

Maybe the last run but Gatti had a decent run before the Mayweather fight beating Dorin, Leija, Ward a few times plus he has wins over guys like Tracy Harris Patterson, Gabe Ruelas, etc. Angulo I don't think will be that successful.

Another problem is Angulo's gotta step it up activity wise, I'm not sure I'd classify what he did the other night as an exciting performance. It was a solid enough fight but nothing great unless compared to that shit HBO vomited out for the main event.

[HattonTheHammer]

Maybe the last run but Gatti had a decent run before the Mayweather fight beating Dorin, Leija, Ward a few times plus he has wins over guys like Tracy Harris Patterson, Gabe Ruelas, etc. Angulo I don't think will be that successful.

Another problem is Angulo's gotta step it up activity wise, I'm not sure I'd classify what he did the other night as an exciting performance. It was a solid enough fight but nothing great unless

compared to that shit HBO vomited out for the main event.

oh c`mon theres no possible way you can suggest guys like dorin and leija represent beating quality opposition.

I was brought up on arturo gatti and am a huge fan but the guy was too one dimensional to ever beat a world class opponent

[OumaFan]

What do you think of as quality opposition? They weren't elite but they weren't bums. Dorin was a bit undersized but had been robbed of a win versus Spadafora. Leija was a bit past it and undersized too but he knew what he was doing. They were solid wins, especially Dorin who was given a good chance of beating Gatti. Combined with the two wins over Ward and that's not a bad run.

I'm not overrating Gatti, I always thought he was more exciting than good but he was far more talented than Angulo.

[HattonTheHammer]

What do you think of as quality opposition? They weren't elite but they weren't bums. Dorin was a bit undersized but had been robbed of a win versus Spadafora. Leija was a bit past it and undersized too but he knew what he was doing. They were solid wins, especially Dorin who was given a good chance of beating Gatti. Combined with the two wins over Ward and that's not a bad run.

quality opposition = very talented fighters with good records in the prime of their careers.

Not 2nd/3rd tier fighters with bulked up CVs due to fighting a hell of a lot of average opponents!

[ICB]

Maybe the last run but Gatti had a decent run before the Mayweather fight beating Dorin, Leija, Ward a few times plus he has wins over guys like Tracy Harris Patterson, Gabe Ruelas, etc. Angulo I don't think will be that successful.

Another problem is Angulo's gotta step it up activity wise, I'm not sure I'd classify what he did the other night as an exciting performance. It was a solid enough fight but nothing great unless

compared to that shit HBO vomited out for the main event.

oh c`mon theres no possible way you can suggest guys like dorin and leija represent beating quality opposition.

I was brought up on arturo gatti and am a huge fan but the guy was too one dimensional to ever beat a world class opponent

I don't know whether or not you would class Tracy Harris Patterson, as world class but he did beat two good names in Daniel Zaragoza, Thierry Jacob. And beating Daniel Zaragoza who is a HOF and one of the best Super Bantamweight's of all time is a hell of an achievement.

[RozzySean]

Gatti was a two weight division major belt champion. At 130, he was top tier fighter. For a variety of reason, including his lifestyle, he couldn't make that weight for that long. He has a rough patch in the middle of his career, and he fought longer than he should have. If you only remember the Gatti who fought Oscar, Floyd, Baldy, and Gomez, than you would probably under rate him.

Gatti was much faster than Angulo and had better boxing skills when he chose to use them. He got outclassed against much a much better bigger Oscar and Floyd Mayweather. His last few fights he was shot.

You beat me to it, Gatti can be a bit underrated, he was far more naturally talented than Angulo, Angulo should consider himself extremely lucky if he has a Gatti-esque career.

Arturo was a deserved champ but even the staunchest of gatti fan has to admit that the last 2-3 years of his career he got those big fights not through merit but in that he was exciting to watch all the time and his wide open defence provided a very solid chin.

Ricardo Mayorga has pretty much made a living of not being a succesful fighter but being a very exciting come forward, solid fighter which is what i fear may end up happening now to angulo

Absolutely, he got those last big money paydays based on his drawing power and to some degree circumstance. He was probably the biggest non-ODLH gate during that stretch, and he probably wouldn't have gotten the Oscar fight if it wasn't for his drawing power. He owned the Atlantic City, even before the Ward fights, and he was probably the East Coasts most consistent draw.

He had a legit claim to fight for the WBC strap. He won and defended twice before the Mayweather fight. It was the biggest reward for the least risk for Mayweather. I don't think Mayweather makes that fight if Gatti didn't have the strap. Gatti really should have retired after that fight, but they kept throwing money at him.

Angulo may end up being a more likable Mayorga, but I see him more as a smaller Librado Andrade. He's tough as nails. He fights relaxed, consistent and he won't give in. Like Andrade, he's on the slow side and he doesn't have great one punch power. His pressure breaks fighters down over time. There would be nothing wrong with him having an Andrade-esque career.

[JazMerkin]

You beat me to it, Gatti can be a bit underrated, he was far more naturally talented than Angulo, Angulo should consider himself extremely lucky if he has a Gatti-esque career.

Arturo was a deserved champ but even the staunchest of gatti fan has to admit that the last 2-3 years of his career he got those big fights not through merit but in that he was exciting to watch all the time and his wide open defence provided a very solid chin.

Ricardo Mayorga has pretty much made a living of not being a succesful fighter but being a very exciting come forward, solid fighter which is what i fear may end up happening now to angulo

Absolutely, he got those last big money paydays based on his drawing power and to some degree circumstance. He was probably the biggest non-ODLH gate during that stretch, and he probably wouldn't have gotten the Oscar fight if it wasn't for his drawing power. He owned the Atlantic City, even before the Ward fights, and he was probably the East Coasts most consistent draw.

He had a legit claim to fight for the WBC strap. He won and defended twice before the Mayweather fight. It was the biggest reward for the least risk for Mayweather. I don't think Mayweather makes that fight if Gatti didn't have the strap. Gatti really should have retired after that fight, but they kept throwing money at him.

Angulo may end up being a more likable Mayorga, but I see him more as a smaller Librado Andrade. He's tough as nails. He fights relaxed, consistent and he won't give in. Like Andrade, he's on the slow side and he doesn't have great one punch power. His pressure breaks fighters down over time. There would be nothing wrong with him having an Andrade-esque career.

Agree with all of that except the bit about Andrade. The difference being that Andrade was a guy who basically fought out of nowhere, whilst Angulo had a lot more hype around him, and all due respect to Cintron, Andrade has only lost to the 2 best guys in his division. I don't see Angulo having a Andrade career, because I think his hype (ie all that stuff about being the next great Mexican fighter) has put him in the position where he can't afford a loss as much as Andrade can, meaning he can't simply bounce back. I think he will end up being more of a Joel Julio kind of situation, where he eventually becomes the last step for a prospect before he goes in against the best of a divison.