Why is Berto getting so much heat for holding?

[Rantcatrat]

I'm just curious why Berto gets so much heat for holding when I've seen Mayweather, Roy Jones, and especially Hopkins do it all the time in their fights. Even more recently Mosley against Mayorga and Margarito held quite a bit, especially against Antonio Margarito, why does Berto get so much more flack for it?

Hopkins gets heat for holding. It is one of the reasons I gave Calzaghe the win in their fight.

Holding is a tactic that makes sense to employ if the boxer is on shaky legs and at risk of being knocked down. However, it is very boring if used strategically like Hopkins uses it.

How are rounds scored again? What are the criteria?

[ElTerribleMorales]

Mosley/Margarito fight is a dumb comparison IMO, Margarito was the bigger man, and Mosley didn't hold for most of the fight, and with that said, Mosley banged out a TKO, Berto never even put a dent on Urango, say what you will but Berto's power is seriously overrated, his shots look big, but rarely hurt a REAL opponent seriously

[Taeth]

Mosley/Margarito fight is a dumb comparison IMO, Margarito was the bigger man, and Mosley didn't hold for most of the fight, and with that said, Mosley banged out a TKO, Berto never even put a dent on Urango, say what you will but Berto's power is seriously overrated, his shots look big, but rarely hurt a REAL opponent seriously

Margarito and MOsley weighed the same amount, Margarito was only taller that night, and certainly not stronger. I think Mosley was smart in doing it, I just don't see why Berto should be criticized except by the fact that like somebody said that he could have done anything against Urango he wanted to.

How come Berto hurt Collazo while MOsley didn't? How come he stopped David Estrada when Mosley didn't? He's foughten guys with great chins of late.

[Spicoli]

Its one thing that had frustrated me the most as Berto has gone on....and its not a matter of him stepping up & fighting a muscle bound ranked guy with bombs in Urango...he did it against Estrada and he pulled it against the naturally smaller light hitter in Stevie Forbes.He literally efforts to get in and clinch...not as a strategy for setting up offense,or to recoup from being stung,it almost seems like he is doing it to think and/or to catch a breath.

I honestly do not think he knows his 'identity' as a fighter.Is a fast puncher and can flury in combo and move off...and at other times he loads up with one or two big shots and then just falls in holding.Said it during the rbr and may sound odd but His stiff legs do his quick hands a disservice.He was leaning forward so heavy in the Estrada fight,legs rigid then and now.

[Taeth]

I agree with most of that, but he was actually moving really well, I am not sure how well he can transition that movement into offense, but I think thats partly because he keeps his stance too wide, sort of like Pacquiao, it makes it hard to move away then come forward all of the sudden unless you are very coordinated and skilled like Hopkins or Mayweather and you can leap in, and deny all conventional wisdom. He needs to shorten his stance for a few reasons, it seems too wide for him to have proper balance, he can't move as effectively, and he doesn't sink into his punches anyways.

[Mar]

These guys are going to do whatever they can get away with and still win. B-hop, hatton, mayweather most of these guys have thier own little things they do that breaks the rules. But while people are bitching about it they should be aware that they do and be prepared, once these guys are in there, it should be no crying no excuses. They try and catch the major stuff the rest is up to you. People can talk about why you lost but all that the record books, bank accts, and promoters care about is that you lost.

[luvfightgame]

I think Berto needs a new trainer. Not because there's anything wrong with the one he's got, but he doesn't listen in between rounds.

He needs a trainer that keeps him focused and away from his dad at the fight. Berto kept looking back and talking to his dad more than he listened to his corner. It was ridiculous. I would have told dad to take over or stop giving instructions. He needs a trainer that will do that....

[Quinito]

I have no problem with it. But he wasn't clinching properly. It was his biggest flaw of the night. A good elite would take advantage it.