David Hayemaker Haye WAR-WAGON! ALL ABOARD ! WOO WOO !!!

[Kel]

I'm not kicking...I think this is a GREAT thing for David Haye. Haye needs more experience at heavyweight!!! If David Haye got the WBA belt and then fought Wlad or Vitali it would be GREAT for him and for boxing.

Haye needs 2-3 more fights at heavyweight to really be ready and vs top level fighters!

You seem really happy about this. Were you not looking forward to the fight?

Lyle knows it was never going to be a fight. I don't consider Tyson-Spinks to be a fight. This fight was going to mirror that one

So you think Haye was going to spark out Wlad?

[Violent Demise]

You seem really happy about this. Were you not looking forward to the fight?

Lyle knows it was never going to be a fight. I don't consider Tyson-Spinks to be a fight. This fight was going to mirror that one

So you think Haye was going to spark out Wlad?

Maybe in Fight Night 4. But in the actual ring Haye was getting crushed. And he knew it

[AdamGB]

You don't think he would of wanted to get paid though?

He's made all of this talk about Heavyweight Champion etc... You can't jump off a cliff and then change your mind. I don't think it's possible for him to get back to cruiser.

If he doesn't want to fight for the heavyweight belt I don't really see what other direction he could go now with out looking like a fool.

If I'd done all of that talking and then bottled it I would rather take my licks and at least get paid instead of getting nothing and skulking off.

It may not even be a terrible injury but I think he knows he's in deep water and if he's not 100% he's got little chance of pulling it out.

You have to give credit to Wlad for not tearing Haye a new one for this... he could really make a fool out of him for it... though I think he knows that by saying nothing he is saying something!!

Whatever Haye does now he should at least fight SOMEBODY as soon as the hand gets better... got to keep active in the division and grow into it properly which honestly I think may help him in the long run.

Was slightly favouring Wlad in this fight and a few decent opponents at heavy would let me know whether to strongly favour Wlad or favour Haye if they do fight.

[Kel]

Lyle knows it was never going to be a fight. I don't consider Tyson-Spinks to be a fight. This fight was going to mirror that one

So you think Haye was going to spark out Wlad?

Maybe in Fight Night 4. But in the actual ring Haye was getting crushed. And he knew it

Yeah that's what I thought so why is Lyle happy it's off/delayed? Would have been a good fight.

[AdamGB]

So you think Haye was going to spark out Wlad?

Maybe in Fight Night 4. But in the actual ring Haye was getting crushed. And he knew it

Yeah that's what I thought so why is Lyle happy it's off/delayed? Would have been a good fight.

To Lyle's credit I think it's because he thinks that Haye will NEVER beat Wlad but he wants the guy to become a good and exciting fighter at Heavyweight so that Wlad can beat him and get more credit for it than he would now.

[AdamGB]

You seem really happy about this. Were you not looking forward to the fight?

Lyle knows it was never going to be a fight. I don't consider Tyson-Spinks to be a fight. This fight was going to mirror that one

So you think Haye was going to spark out Wlad?

lol... come on mate! Isn't this the same guy who was picking a very old Roy Jones to beat Calzaghe? (I apologize if I'm wrong VD)

He occasionally gives British fighters their dues after they've won but he NEVER picks them to win fights, no matter what.

[Violent Demise]

So you think Haye was going to spark out Wlad?

Maybe in Fight Night 4. But in the actual ring Haye was getting crushed. And he knew it

Yeah that's what I thought so why is Lyle happy it's off/delayed? Would have been a good fight.

Lyle wants what's best for the Heavyweight division. An unworthy Haye getting crushed in 1 round in a fight he had no buisness being in is not what's best for the division

Lyle knows it was never going to be a fight. I don't consider Tyson-Spinks to be a fight. This fight was going to mirror that one

So you think Haye was going to spark out Wlad?

lol... come on mate! Isn't this the same guy who was picking a very old Roy Jones to beat Calzaghe? (I apologize if I'm wrong VD)

He occasionally gives British fighters their dues after they've won but he NEVER picks them to win fights, no matter what.

You sure about that?

[AdamGB]

Yes.

I'm sure you're now going to produce a quote showing the one time you've picked a british fighter to win a fight. Surprise me...

I was just wondering why Kel seemed so surprised...

[El Kabong]

OK to elaborate on why I am "happy" about the fight getting called off....

#1 AdamGB and VD were correct, sure it could have been a big fight but right now Haye is 2(2 KO)-0-0 at heavyweight vs guys who can't even get in an elimination bout much less challenge for a title. Haye needs to show that he's the truth vs very good contenders, top level fighters, and tested vets. If Haye even KO'd an old Evander Holyfield it would be something that would hype up a fight vs Wlad and if Haye won the WBA belt it would make it an even bigger fight but when the guys biggest win at heavyweight is vs a guy Wlad KO'd 9 years ago it doesn't give me much hope for the fight, it would have been David Haye getting completely outclassed, I would have said the same thing for Alex Povetkin and Odlanier Solis...the guys are young and talented but just not ready for a title shot.

#2 Heavyweight boxing needs to get Don King out of the division because HE is the reason the WBA is how it is. Valuev and Ruiz are DKP fighters, if Wlad is able to fight for the WBA title and win it then we can finally have a REAL division and not an actual division and a junior division.

[Kel]

OK to elaborate on why I am "happy" about the fight getting called off....

#1 AdamGB and VD were correct, sure it could have been a big fight but right now Haye is 2(2 KO)-0-0 at heavyweight vs guys who can't even get in an elimination bout much less challenge for a title. Haye needs to show that he's the truth vs very good contenders, top level fighters, and tested vets. If Haye even KO'd an old Evander Holyfield it would be something that would hype up a fight vs Wlad and if Haye won the WBA belt it would make it an even bigger fight but when the guys biggest win at heavyweight is vs a guy Wlad KO'd 9 years ago it doesn't give me much hope for the fight, it would have been David Haye getting completely outclassed, I would have said the same thing for Alex Povetkin and Odlanier Solis...the guys are young and talented but just not ready for a title shot.

#2 Heavyweight boxing needs to get Don King out of the division because HE is the reason the WBA is how it is. Valuev and Ruiz are DKP fighters, if Wlad is able to fight for the WBA title and win it then we can finally have a REAL division and not an actual division and a junior division.

Good points all round. Understood