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    Default Re: Jumping up 10+ lbs In Weight At 35+ Years Old

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    Why do some people mention that Mayweather "used" to be a super featherweight ? That makes no difference to NOW.

    All fighters go up in weight as they age.

    Marquez can still make 130 and he is 36 years old, Mayweather could no way make 135 let alone 130, he could probably make 140 but refuses to even go that low so i guess that makes him a 147lber.

    At this stage Mayweather is a welterweight and Marquez is a natural super featherweight, even watch Marquez fight against Juan Diaz and i think it's clear that Marquez is small even at lightweight.

    This fight is not a fair fight no matter which way you put it.
    I totally agree that PBF-JMM is not a fair fight... PBF enjoyed all the physical advantages over JMM... PBF is the heavy 4 to 1 favorite in the betting... I even consider this fight as a tune-up fight...

    With that said, this fight could potentially end up as a boring tactical chess match between 2 masters of the waiting game (counterpunchers)...
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    I wouldn't call it a tune up, Marquez is not a tune up for any fighter.

    Regarding the excitement of the fight, You could be right but i doubt it.

    I expect Mayweather to be more aggressive than normal and Marquez has been alot more aggressive in his more recent fights.

    The fight for me goes two ways.

    1st - Marquez fights on the back foot knowing his best chance to win is make Mayweather come forward and try counter him. I think Mayweather would be more comfortable coming forward because he knows he's bigger.

    2nd - Marquez comes forward and takes the fight to Mayweather, giving Mayweather loads of countering oppurtunities. If Marquez fights this way, he eventually gets stopped.

    Either way though i see Marquez losing.
    I also have JMM losing this one by UD through 12 boring, agonizing rounds...

    This is how I see the fight... First 2 rounds is a super feeling out rounds where the 2 waiting for each other on who will throw first... Next rounds 'til the 12th will have PBF potshoting JMM from range with his 5" reach advantage and much superior speed... JMM will try to press the action at some spots since his only chance of winning is by KO/TKO but PBF is just so much faster, the better counterpuncher and a defensive virtouso that the much smaller JMM's offense can't even make a dent... PBF just happy to potshot JMM to a 12 boring rounds UD victory...
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    Default Re: Jumping up 10+ lbs In Weight At 35+ Years Old

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    I totally agree that PBF-JMM is not a fair fight... PBF enjoyed all the physical advantages over JMM... PBF is the heavy 4 to 1 favorite in the betting... I even consider this fight as a tune-up fight...

    With that said, this fight could potentially end up as a boring tactical chess match between 2 masters of the waiting game (counterpunchers)...
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    I wouldn't call it a tune up, Marquez is not a tune up for any fighter.

    Regarding the excitement of the fight, You could be right but i doubt it.

    I expect Mayweather to be more aggressive than normal and Marquez has been alot more aggressive in his more recent fights.

    The fight for me goes two ways.

    1st - Marquez fights on the back foot knowing his best chance to win is make Mayweather come forward and try counter him. I think Mayweather would be more comfortable coming forward because he knows he's bigger.

    2nd - Marquez comes forward and takes the fight to Mayweather, giving Mayweather loads of countering oppurtunities. If Marquez fights this way, he eventually gets stopped.

    Either way though i see Marquez losing.
    I also have JMM losing this one by UD through 12 boring, agonizing rounds...

    This is how I see the fight... First 2 rounds is a super feeling out rounds where the 2 waiting for each other on who will throw first... Next rounds 'til the 12th will have PBF potshoting JMM from range with his 5" reach advantage and much superior speed... JMM will try to press the action at some spots since his only chance of winning is by KO/TKO but PBF is just so much faster, the better counterpuncher and a defensive virtouso that the much smaller JMM's offense can't even make a dent... PBF just happy to potshot JMM to a 12 boring rounds UD victory...
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    I can agree there, Mayweather does like to coast in some fights.

    I honestly do believe though that Mayweather wants to make a statement.

    I think he is going for the KO.

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    I wouldn't call it a tune up, Marquez is not a tune up for any fighter.

    Regarding the excitement of the fight, You could be right but i doubt it.

    I expect Mayweather to be more aggressive than normal and Marquez has been alot more aggressive in his more recent fights.

    The fight for me goes two ways.

    1st - Marquez fights on the back foot knowing his best chance to win is make Mayweather come forward and try counter him. I think Mayweather would be more comfortable coming forward because he knows he's bigger.

    2nd - Marquez comes forward and takes the fight to Mayweather, giving Mayweather loads of countering oppurtunities. If Marquez fights this way, he eventually gets stopped.

    Either way though i see Marquez losing.
    I also have JMM losing this one by UD through 12 boring, agonizing rounds...

    This is how I see the fight... First 2 rounds is a super feeling out rounds where the 2 waiting for each other on who will throw first... Next rounds 'til the 12th will have PBF potshoting JMM from range with his 5" reach advantage and much superior speed... JMM will try to press the action at some spots since his only chance of winning is by KO/TKO but PBF is just so much faster, the better counterpuncher and a defensive virtouso that the much smaller JMM's offense can't even make a dent... PBF just happy to potshot JMM to a 12 boring rounds UD victory...
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    I can agree there, Mayweather does like to coast in some fights.

    I honestly do believe though that Mayweather wants to make a statement.

    I think he is going for the KO.
    Yeah I can see PBF trying to KO JMM in the late rounds after potshoting JMM successfully for several rounds already... PBF might even score a knockdown but after seeing JMM standing up and throwing again, PBF goes back potshoting and coast to a 12 round boring UD win...
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    Default Re: Jumping up 10+ lbs In Weight At 35+ Years Old

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    It seems so convenient for people to say guys like Marquez and Pacquiao shouldn't be fighting at 147, yet it was expected of Mayweather to move up at least that high. Marquez started his career like 4 pounds lighter than Mayweather when he was 20. Its not Mayweather's fault his skill allowed him to climb weight classes so effortlessly. I don't think MAyweather is that much naturally larger than PAcquiao or Marquez.

    Marquez is more fighting a 140 pounder because Mayweather weighs in on fightnight as a large lightweight or an average 140 pounder.
    Why do some people mention that Mayweather "used" to be a super featherweight ? That makes no difference to NOW.

    All fighters go up in weight as they age.

    Marquez can still make 130 and he is 36 years old, Mayweather could no way make 135 let alone 130, he could probably make 140 but refuses to even go that low so i guess that makes him a 147lber.

    At this stage Mayweather is a welterweight and Marquez is a natural super featherweight, even watch Marquez fight against Juan Diaz and i think it's clear that Marquez is small even at lightweight.

    This fight is not a fair fight no matter which way you put it.
    its not like that at all we don't know what weightclass Mayweather could make, I bet he could still make 135 if he watned to, but why should he? Marquez called him out, not vice virsa. Marquez wants to move up to catch Pacquiao, Mayweather is already there. I am saying naturally they have a similar build, and any muscle Mayweather has accumulated has affected him the same way it will MArquez who will now have to put on some muscle. The likely reason Mayweather couldn't make lower weights if thats the case is because he proactively pursued bigger guys. Now Marquez is doing that, and he will adapt his body accordingly.

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