Catch Weight - Title fight?

[fan johnny]

140.1-147 is the Welterweight class? Wow... you learn something everyday.

Maybe if we still had same day weigh ins then people who walk around at or near to 147 would be Welterweights...

But that's not how things are any more, as I have said things have changed... virtually everybody drys up now... they find a weight that they can do it effectivly at.

Guys who campaign at 140/147/154/160... what ever... none of them walk around at the weight anymore.

Things have changed since same day weigh ins and a whole entire division of established fighters aren't going to be shifted up a division or two just so that manny can dominate an 8th division. By beating the man at Light Welterweight he's already beat the top fighter of the people who would end up in the 147 class anyway if we had same day weigh ins again

Every time Pac has fought with the exception of ODLH I guarantee you that he will have been heavier than he was when he weighed in, even Hatton... the same habits of drying up apply to Pac too... not a problem then though is it? If you weighed Pacman in the ring against Hatton he would of been in the Welterweight divison... it's a good thing that we go off the WEIGH IN then isn't it?

The more he moves up the less he'll have to do it... eventually he will get too far and that's just a fact. That's the only reason Mosely is tempted down is because Roach suspects that he has finally moved up to the limit were these guys are just too big.

Well in that case fight guys who are weighing in as Light Welters... If guys weighing in as Welters are too big then they're too big.

You agree about the definition of the welterweight class and proclaim fighter safety is the reason Pacquiao shouldn't be fighting in the welterweight class. You state it's unsafe for Mosley because he has to dehydrate to make weight. What an absolute hypocrite! If you were concerned about fighter safety you would put in a limit a fighter can be allowed to "rehydrate". I already highlighted your response. Some boxing commissions actually set a limit.

Excuse me... I did not say that Pacquio should not fight in the weight class... I said that unless he's letting these guys fight at their full weight then he should not be getting full credit for beating them.

The fact still remains that he is trying to weight drain them so that he can beat them.

I did not say that because Mosely has to dehydrate that it is unsafe... he has to do that anyway... but there is a certain point were it becomes too much for him to be at all effective.

Whether you want a limit fighters can "rehydrate (why did you put rehydrate in quotationg makrs exactly ) or not is irelevant... we are talking about the system that is inj place and isn't going to change just so pac can cover an 8th division.

Like I've said Pac has already been drying up the same as every other boxer out there... every belt, every division. He is following the system the same as everybody else all the way up... he is up against guys to big for him now which is why he's trying to make them dehydrate further than they can to give him a better chance of beating them.

Doesn't matter what way you spin it, wthe way you say thingsa should be done etc... that is the way things ARE.

Super Banthems, Lightweights, Light Welterweights... all fine... pac is big enough and strong enough for all of them... Welterweight is past his limit and he's trying to weight drain them.

End of.

Just read the thread back dude.... I give up.... your a lost cause.... YOU WIN... I give even you reps... .Pacquiao fights Mosley and wins, It's just so...Unfair! they should make Pacquiao give belt back...

[AdamGB]

I think you'll find you're the lost cause.

If you can't accept that

1) Pacman and everybody he has fought from 106 pounds upwards have to dry up to reach the weight, he was big enough to beat the guys who fight at those weights

2) that people who fight at welterweight are too big for him

3) he is trying to weight drain Welterweights and but full credit as a welterweight

then I don't know what the point in bothering with you is.

That's how the game is and that's what he's doing. Those are facts, not opinions.

EVERY division he has campaigned at as he's moved up in weight he has had to dehydrate for the weigh in and has fought against fighters who have had to do the same, that's the way boxing is done now that weighins have changed to 24 hours... it's like that for every fighter in every division... that isn't going to change, same day weigh ins won't come back just because Pac has reached his physical limit and you want him to be considered a legitimate welterweight.

What you are essentially saying is that all the guys at 147 should piss off up to light middle weight so that Pacman can be a legitimate Welterweight... the only problem with that is that everybody who fights at 135/140 would also have to move up with him (because like I said you can't apply a special rule to Pac's and his division only... just so he can get an 8th belt) - he's already beaten the best of those guys... so what would it prove? You'd just be slapping the name Welterweight on a bunch of guys he's already beaten.

I'm guessing you know this though and are just trying to punk out of the discussion... thanks for the rep.

[fan johnny]

I think you'll find you're the lost cause.

If you can't accept that

1) Pacman and everybody he has fought from 106 pounds upwards have to dry up to reach the weight, he was big enough to beat the guys who fight at those weights

2) that people who fight at welterweight are too big for him

3) he is trying to weight drain Welterweights and but full credit as a welterweight

then I don't know what the point in bothering with you is.

That's how the game is and that's what he's doing. Those are facts, not opinions.

EVERY division he has campaigned at as he's moved up in weight he has had to dehydrate for the weigh in and has fought against fighters who have had to do the same, that's the way boxing is done now that weighins have changed to 24 hours... it's like that for every fighter in every division... that isn't going to change, same day weigh ins won't come back just because Pac has reached his physical limit and you want him to be considered a legitimate welterweight.

What you are essentially saying is that all the guys at 147 should piss off up to light middle weight so that Pacman can be a legitimate Welterweight... the only problem with that is that everybody who fights at 135/140 would also have to move up with him (because like I said you can't apply a special rule to Pac's and his division only... just so he can get an 8th belt) - he's already beaten the best of those guys... so what would it prove? You'd just be slapping the name Welterweight on a bunch of guys he's already beaten.

I'm guessing you know this though and are just trying to punk out of the discussion... thanks for the rep.

Half the the stuff you write in this thread is contradiction so I know you must be playn'. It's pretty easy to shoot your sh*t down. I play... maybe later, I got grown up things to do right now....

[AdamGB]

Haha, go on then... Punk out, punk x