Can you be an all time great if your best win is against Jeff Lacy?

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ICB

Has Jeff Lacy being proven to be all hype or was he just destroyed by a better fighter and therefore never recovered? I know you were never a fan ICE, but you have to admit that he looked a whole lot better before the JC fight than he does now!!

As for being an ATG: What conctitutes being an All Time great? He was undefeated for 15 years, held the SMW title for 11 years and then moved up and won a strap at LHW. It's hard to deny him ATG status, when you look at history and how many other people have not achiEved what he has.

I agree Jeff Lacy was obviously better before the injuries, and being destroyed by Joe Calzaghe. But like i said and i know you won't believe me, but honestly i was never that impressed with Jeff Lacy. I obviously didn't think he would get dominated like that.

But his performances against Syd Vanderpool, Omar Sheika, wern't impressive performances. And those fights proved to me he wasn't as good as the hype suggested.

I think it depends on how you look at things, i mean you can give Joe Calzaghe credit for the win because of the hype Jeff Lacy had and how Joe Calzaghe beat him. But in my mind its really hard to forget his performances after that the Joe Calzaghe fight it really is.

I think Joe Calzaghe is just missing the big names to be an ATG, he has the achievements to be an ATG for sure. But the Super Middleweight division hasn't been a division that long, and most of the big fighters used that division, just to pick up a title and then skip the division.

Because except for when are British fighters were having wars at Super Middleweight, it has never really been a hot division. And it has to be said Joe Calzaghe cleaned up a division that at the time, and no big fighters.

Which isn't his fault but he was lacking a real rival in his own division, he also hasn't got any great fights under his belt. He's had good performances and good action fights, but he lacks having that real special great fighter under his belt.

I mean you can question my favorite fighter Larry Holmes, for being in a bit of weak era aswell. But he had many great fights under his belt especially the one with Ken Norton, he also had a main rival in his weightclass Gerry Cooney which was one of the most hyped up fights in history.

I know you will comeback and say well Joe Calzaghe had Mikkel Kessler, but wasn't that the lowest sales or something in HBO history ? i mean that just speaks volumes to me.

IMO and it isn't all Joe Calzaghe's fault he is lacking great fights, a real main rival, and he is lacking the competition aswell, he only started to step it up the last few years.

Im not saying my opinion is right but thats just how i see it, achievement wise he achieved alot. But he achieved it in a division thats not known to be a premiere division. And he will always be too me a very good fighter that achieved alot but fell short of being great.

Believe it or not, I agree with every word of that

Kessler/Calzaghe wasn't on PPV

[ICB]

I agree Jeff Lacy was obviously better before the injuries, and being destroyed by Joe Calzaghe. But like i said and i know you won't believe me, but honestly i was never that impressed with Jeff Lacy. I obviously didn't think he would get dominated like that.

But his performances against Syd Vanderpool, Omar Sheika, wern't impressive performances. And those fights proved to me he wasn't as good as the hype suggested.

I think it depends on how you look at things, i mean you can give Joe Calzaghe credit for the win because of the hype Jeff Lacy had and how Joe Calzaghe beat him. But in my mind its really hard to forget his performances after that the Joe Calzaghe fight it really is.

I think Joe Calzaghe is just missing the big names to be an ATG, he has the achievements to be an ATG for sure. But the Super Middleweight division hasn't been a division that long, and most of the big fighters used that division, just to pick up a title and then skip the division.

Because except for when are British fighters were having wars at Super Middleweight, it has never really been a hot division. And it has to be said Joe Calzaghe cleaned up a division that at the time, and no big fighters.

Which isn't his fault but he was lacking a real rival in his own division, he also hasn't got any great fights under his belt. He's had good performances and good action fights, but he lacks having that real special great fighter under his belt.

I mean you can question my favorite fighter Larry Holmes, for being in a bit of weak era aswell. But he had many great fights under his belt especially the one with Ken Norton, he also had a main rival in his weightclass Gerry Cooney which was one of the most hyped up fights in history.

I know you will comeback and say well Joe Calzaghe had Mikkel Kessler, but wasn't that the lowest sales or something in HBO history ? i mean that just speaks volumes to me.

IMO and it isn't all Joe Calzaghe's fault he is lacking great fights, a real main rival, and he is lacking the competition aswell, he only started to step it up the last few years.

Im not saying my opinion is right but thats just how i see it, achievement wise he achieved alot. But he achieved it in a division thats not known to be a premiere division. And he will always be too me a very good fighter that achieved alot but fell short of being great.

Believe it or not, I agree with every word of that

Kessler/Calzaghe wasn't on PPV

I can't remember if it was or wasn't, all i remember is that it received the lowest something in HBO history. I didn't know if it was views or whatever, i can't remember exactly maybe someone can remember and enlighten us.

[Mr140]

Quick question Ice so would you say you rate pound for pound different the atg list right so not just what they did but the impact that they made.

[Nameless]

Believe it or not, I agree with every word of that

Kessler/Calzaghe wasn't on PPV

I can't remember if it was or wasn't, all i remember is that it received the lowest something in HBO history. I didn't know if it was views or whatever, i can't remember exactly maybe someone can remember and enlighten us.

If my memory is good, it wasn't. I found an article that seems to say the same: Unbeatens Calzaghe, Kessler to unify super middleweight crowns - Boxing - ESPN