Isn't shane just money in the bank..

[XaduBoxer]

Wrong, JMM brings in Mexican fans, who are the last really big-spending group to spend money on boxing. Shane doesn't have a huge fanbase & he's not a major PPV star. JMM has a huge fanbase just by virtue of being the great Mexican fighter of the present time, & those fans are more likely to spend money on a PPV or going to a fight.

You could be right that JMM is bigger attraction than Sugar Shane Mosley right now but I think it's still highly debatable... Years back, JMM played 2nd or 3rd billing to the likes of warriors Erik Morales, Barrera and even Jorge Arce to the eyes of Mexican boxing fans coz JMM's play safe counterpunching style is not the usual Mexican brawling warrior style of boxing... In general, boxing fans love offensive brawlers as against defensive counterpunchers... JMM was even considered "can't draw flies" at one point... But since Mexican boxing idols were falling to the wayside one by one (Morales, Castillo, Barrera, Mijares, Margacheato, Arce, Angulo, etc.), JMM might be the #1 Mexican boxer right now in terms of fans popularity tho I think Chavez Jr. has a say about that...
.

Why do you feel the need to constantly harp on about JMM in such a cynical manner? What is it? Is it because you have trouble dealing with the fact that most of us think he has outboxed Manny over two fights?

I would say that the "play safe" style has done pretty well for him.

Stating JMM might be the most popular Mexican boxer right now and probably JMM more of a PPV attraction than Mosley... Is it an attack on JMM?? It's more like praises...
.

[ElTerribleMorales]

You could be right that JMM is bigger attraction than Sugar Shane Mosley right now but I think it's still highly debatable... Years back, JMM played 2nd or 3rd billing to the likes of warriors Erik Morales, Barrera and even Jorge Arce to the eyes of Mexican boxing fans coz JMM's play safe counterpunching style is not the usual Mexican brawling warrior style of boxing... In general, boxing fans love offensive brawlers as against defensive counterpunchers... JMM was even considered "can't draw flies" at one point... But since Mexican boxing idols were falling to the wayside one by one (Morales, Castillo, Barrera, Mijares, Margacheato, Arce, Angulo, etc.), JMM might be the #1 Mexican boxer right now in terms of fans popularity tho I think Chavez Jr. has a say about that...
.

Why do you feel the need to constantly harp on about JMM in such a cynical manner? What is it? Is it because you have trouble dealing with the fact that most of us think he has outboxed Manny over two fights?

I would say that the "play safe" style has done pretty well for him.

Stating JMM might be the most popular Mexican boxer right now and probably JMM more of a PPV attraction than Mosley... Is it an attack on JMM?? It's more like praises...
.

not when you basically say it's by default, and even try to make it seem as if Angulo of all people is more popular in Mexico, or anywhere really, as for "Fill in the blank"Boxer (the dude seems more like Prince every day, tomorrow it'll be "The Poster Formerly Known as SaddoBoxer" ) he tries to downplay any fighter that isn't Fillilpino or any bit Asian, but he does so mostly against JMM, why? cause he's not Pacquiao, Marquez kills Manny's aura of being invincible, something all his fanboys can't handle

[XaduBoxer]

Why do you feel the need to constantly harp on about JMM in such a cynical manner? What is it? Is it because you have trouble dealing with the fact that most of us think he has outboxed Manny over two fights?

I would say that the "play safe" style has done pretty well for him.

Stating JMM might be the most popular Mexican boxer right now and probably JMM more of a PPV attraction than Mosley... Is it an attack on JMM?? It's more like praises...
.

not when you basically say it's by default, and even try to make it seem as if Angulo of all people is more popular in Mexico, or anywhere really, as for "Fill in the blank"Boxer (the dude seems more like Prince every day, tomorrow it'll be "The Poster Formerly Known as SaddoBoxer" ) he tries to downplay any fighter that isn't Fillilpino or any bit Asian, but he does so mostly against JMM, why? cause he's not Pacquiao, Marquez kills Manny's aura of being invincible, something all his fanboys can't handle

I'm not saying it's by default... JMM earned his status as Mexico's numero uno right now... He's a very good boxer... He's the #2 P4P boxer in the world... He has 2 close fights with the great Pacquiao, he KO'ed Casamayor and Juan Diaz, and beat Barrera... JMM is no doubt earned his number 1 ranking among Mexican boxers...

As for Angulo, he was considered by many Mexican boxing fans as the next big thing in Mexican boxing... until his last fight...

On the sidenote, Mexico's current numero uno was knocked down 4 times (or 5 times if you count additional 1 KD holding of the ropes) by the great Pacquiao...
.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Stating JMM might be the most popular Mexican boxer right now and probably JMM more of a PPV attraction than Mosley... Is it an attack on JMM?? It's more like praises...
.

not when you basically say it's by default, and even try to make it seem as if Angulo of all people is more popular in Mexico, or anywhere really, as for "Fill in the blank"Boxer (the dude seems more like Prince every day, tomorrow it'll be "The Poster Formerly Known as SaddoBoxer" ) he tries to downplay any fighter that isn't Fillilpino or any bit Asian, but he does so mostly against JMM, why? cause he's not Pacquiao, Marquez kills Manny's aura of being invincible, something all his fanboys can't handle

I'm not saying it's by default... JMM earned his status as Mexico's numero uno right now... He's a very good boxer... He's the #2 P4P boxer in the world... He has 2 close fights with the great Pacquiao, he KO'ed Casamayor and Juan Diaz, and beat Barrera... JMM is no doubt earned his number 1 ranking among Mexican boxers...

As for Angulo, he was considered by many Mexican boxing fans as the next big thing in Mexican boxing... until his last fight...

On the sidenote, Mexico's current numero uno was knocked down 4 times (or 5 times if you count additional 1 KD holding of the ropes) by the great Pacquiao...
.

on another sidenote, yet with all the knock downs, many still feel that JMM won both fights...

[XaduBoxer]

not when you basically say it's by default, and even try to make it seem as if Angulo of all people is more popular in Mexico, or anywhere really, as for "Fill in the blank"Boxer (the dude seems more like Prince every day, tomorrow it'll be "The Poster Formerly Known as SaddoBoxer" ) he tries to downplay any fighter that isn't Fillilpino or any bit Asian, but he does so mostly against JMM, why? cause he's not Pacquiao, Marquez kills Manny's aura of being invincible, something all his fanboys can't handle

I'm not saying it's by default... JMM earned his status as Mexico's numero uno right now... He's a very good boxer... He's the #2 P4P boxer in the world... He has 2 close fights with the great Pacquiao, he KO'ed Casamayor and Juan Diaz, and beat Barrera... JMM is no doubt earned his number 1 ranking among Mexican boxers...

As for Angulo, he was considered by many Mexican boxing fans as the next big thing in Mexican boxing... until his last fight...

On the sidenote, Mexico's current numero uno was knocked down 4 times (or 5 times if you count additional 1 KD holding of the ropes) by the great Pacquiao...
.

on another sidenote, yet with all the knock downs, many still feel that JMM won both fights...

I have no problems with that, it's 2 close fights... Many feel PAC won both fights and also many feel JMM won both fights...

What's very clear is Mexico's current numero uno was knocked down 4 times by Pacquiao...
.

[ElTerribleMorales]

I'm not saying it's by default... JMM earned his status as Mexico's numero uno right now... He's a very good boxer... He's the #2 P4P boxer in the world... He has 2 close fights with the great Pacquiao, he KO'ed Casamayor and Juan Diaz, and beat Barrera... JMM is no doubt earned his number 1 ranking among Mexican boxers...

As for Angulo, he was considered by many Mexican boxing fans as the next big thing in Mexican boxing... until his last fight...

On the sidenote, Mexico's current numero uno was knocked down 4 times (or 5 times if you count additional 1 KD holding of the ropes) by the great Pacquiao...
.

on another sidenote, yet with all the knock downs, many still feel that JMM won both fights...

I have no problems with that, it's 2 close fights... Many feel PAC won both fights and also many feel JMM won both fights...

What's very clear is Mexico's current numero uno was knocked down 4 times by Pacquiao...
.

knockdowns don't mean shit if you don't win the fight lol Jameel McCline dropped Peter 3 times, and well we know how that played out

[XaduBoxer]

on another sidenote, yet with all the knock downs, many still feel that JMM won both fights...

I have no problems with that, it's 2 close fights... Many feel PAC won both fights and also many feel JMM won both fights...

What's very clear is Mexico's current numero uno was knocked down 4 times by Pacquiao...
.

knockdowns don't mean shit if you don't win the fight lol Jameel McCline dropped Peter 3 times, and well we know how that played out

Scoring KDs doesn't guarantee a win but it's a big help... Remember 10-8, 10-7, 10-6 scores... Knockdowns were special boxing experience.... Imagine fans talking PAC knocked down JMM 3 times in round 1, PAC knocked down Hatton 2 times in round 1... Fans will always talk and cherish knockdowns because of the excitement it generates...
.

[hakkai999]

*Sigh* Im tired of arguing with someone who fails to listen. Im saying that I myself havent watched JMM's latest fights. and oh people always say crap about people who Pac faces. Like Diaz - he wasnt that good ODLH- he was weight drained Hatton- he was a bum and a no good boxer. Its always the case. And im telling yeah im a noob at this thing called boxing and im not trying to make myself knowledgeable. Im just sharing what i know and im not trying to be stuck up like you thinking your like a genius when it comes to boxing analysis.

[ElTerribleMorales]

*Sigh* Im tired of arguing with someone who fails to listen. Im saying that I myself havent watched JMM's latest fights. and oh people always say crap about people who Pac faces. Like Diaz - he wasnt that good ODLH- he was weight drained Hatton- he was a bum and a no good boxer. Its always the case. And im telling yeah im a noob at this thing called boxing and im not trying to make myself knowledgeable. Im just sharing what i know and im not trying to be stuck up like you thinking your like a genius when it comes to boxing analysis.

David Diaz IS a bum

De La Hoya IS shot, and at 147 IS weight drained

and i gave Pacquiao full credit for beating Hatton, i thought Ricky was going to win and Manny pulled off the win, good for him, but with that said, there's no denying that Ricky Hatton is no ring technician, nobody thought that he was going to outbox Pacquiao, and i know plenty about boxing, i'm not new to the sport, i was raised with boxing in my life, so although i don't see eye to eye with everyone, i know what i'm talking about where boxing is concerned, i have Morales' name in my screen name yet i NEVER over-praise any fighter, nor do i jump on bandwagon's like SOME do, good luck with learning more about the sport, but the best way to do it is by learning from fights in the past, and not focusing so much on the present, cause honestly boxing is still strong and still a great sport, but it's nowhere near where it used to be

[hakkai999]

I am a pac-fan but i gotta say yes i think hes not invincible but the point in my mind is that JMM was the past hes constantly evolved and add the fact the pacquiao didnt have a decent right hook when he fought JMM. The same right hook that took down the fighter known as Ricky Fatton rofl. I admit i haven't seen a JMM fight lately but i think JMM hasnt improved by leaps and bounds lately since age comes into play. But look at it this way, JMM has been KO'd by manny 3 times when he was still an unrefined brawler (IMO) and what would you think will happen when the JMM whos improved slightly fights the Pacman whos improved like he was a pokemon evolved? I dont know but we have to really see that fight to really know what will happen but in a logical point of view that wouldnt be good for JMM.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Scoring KDs doesn't guarantee a win but it's a big help... Remember 10-8, 10-7, 10-6 scores... Knockdowns were special boxing experience.... Imagine fans talking PAC knocked down JMM 3 times in round 1, PAC knocked down Hatton 2 times in round 1... Fans will always talk and cherish knockdowns because of the excitement it generates...
.

I think the KD's that keep a guy down are really the ones that keep fans talking.In the Hatton fight the 1st 2 were side notes to Pacs ability to land so easily/often......the last one will be on highlight reels for ages.Basically,If a guy is not hurt badly and the other fighter does not capitalize ....its really just a point.

Well said... KDs a special experience... It's a rare occurence... Scoring a KD is a feat by itself...
.

he's didn't say that at all, he said a knockdown is just a point on the scorecards, unless it actually does something, like Pac's against Hatton, Mayweather's against Hatton, and like i re-watched again in Corrales/Freitas

I am a pac-fan but i gotta say yes i think hes not invincible but the point in my mind is that JMM was the past hes constantly evolved and add the fact the pacquiao didnt have a decent right hook when he fought JMM. The same right hook that took down the fighter known as Ricky Fatton rofl. I admit i haven't seen a JMM fight lately but i think JMM hasnt improved by leaps and bounds lately since age comes into play. But look at it this way, JMM has been KO'd by manny 3 times when he was still an unrefined brawler (IMO) and what would you think will happen when the JMM whos improved slightly fights the Pacman whos improved like he was a pokemon evolved? I dont know but we have to really see that fight to really know what will happen but in a logical point of view that wouldnt be good for JMM.

umm they just fought last year, and Manny hasn't really improved or "evolved" much since then, he's as complete as he ever is gonna get, he already had the right hook and all that in the rematch, and JMM won even clearer than in the first fight, and your reference to Manny being a Pokeyourmom, is proof enough that it's just another non-knowledgable "fighter"fan coming onto the forum

[hakkai999]

Dude stop being so arrogant and stuck up. Thats called lightening up the mood. EVER HEAR OF IT? Its cause if Fans of Boxer X and Boxer Y collided tensions run high. Your being a moronic bastard who has a stick up your god damn a** and to your retort on my post of pacquiao having a right hook on their match - Do you even watch Pac fights? Cause i definitely see alot of changes with him since JMM. In the JMM fights he usually gets too agitated and run in unprepared for JMM's counters. Now i see him as less aggressive and more careful and his right hook is fully utilized. In the JMM fight the more dominant fist was and always was the left cause obviously hes a lefty, a southpaw.

[XaduBoxer]

I think the KD's that keep a guy down are really the ones that keep fans talking.In the Hatton fight the 1st 2 were side notes to Pacs ability to land so easily/often......the last one will be on highlight reels for ages.Basically,If a guy is not hurt badly and the other fighter does not capitalize ....its really just a point.

Well said... KDs a special experience... It's a rare occurence... Scoring a KD is a feat by itself...
.

he's didn't say that at all, he said a knockdown is just a point on the scorecards, unless it actually does something, like Pac's against Hatton, Mayweather's against Hatton, and like i re-watched again in Corrales/Freitas

Spi did gave high praise for PAC's final KD on Hatton... That KD is appropriately known as one-punch KO... One-punch KO is the ultimate boxing experience that kept boxing fans mesmerized for years... As what Spi said, that KD/KO will be in highlight reels for ages...
.