Mayweather: "Marquez Called Me Out, Pacquiao Didn't"

[hakkai999]

Correct. DLH called Pacquiao out and Pac was more than happy to jump on the opportunity since DLH is Pac's idol and still is. The Hatton VS Pac fight is never considered cherry picked since it usually is pacquiao who fights BIGGER opponents. Remember Pac went UP to the lightweight to fight Diaz since he was from FW before. If moving UP is a lot easier then i guess Pac went the easiest road didn't he? LOL Its true that Pac has his short-comings, heck he isnt even a very refined yet IMO BUT the point in his case is that hes constantly IMPROVING thats what makes him dangerous and awesome. I maybe a Pac-fan but am rational and logical. Heck i even give credit to PBF in youtube and here for being a good if not great defensive boxer but we gotta face facts that a defensive boxing match does not make a exciting match. We need guys like Pac to set the tone of a match and boxing in general. Like a fuel for the fire to keep boxing going.

[XaduBoxer]

Correct. DLH called Pacquiao out and Pac was more than happy to jump on the opportunity since DLH is Pac's idol and still is. The Hatton VS Pac fight is never considered cherry picked since it usually is pacquiao who fights BIGGER opponents. Remember Pac went UP to the lightweight to fight Diaz since he was from FW before. If moving UP is a lot easier then i guess Pac went the easiest road didn't he? LOL Its true that Pac has his short-comings, heck he isnt even a very refined yet IMO BUT the point in his case is that hes constantly IMPROVING thats what makes him dangerous and awesome. I maybe a Pac-fan but am rational and logical. Heck i even give credit to PBF in youtube and here for being a good if not great defensive boxer but we gotta face facts that a defensive boxing match does not make a exciting match. We need guys like Pac to set the tone of a match and boxing in general. Like a fuel for the fire to keep boxing going.

Well said noob... Welcome to the forum and have some rep...
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[ElTerribleMorales]

Diaz isn't PAC's only cherry picked opponent, so were

Oscar Larios (a man who jumped up two divisions to face Manny, and was coming off of a TKO loss)

Fahsan 3K Battery (had 7 losses, 4 of them back to back and were his first four pro bouts)

[hakkai999]

Diaz isn't PAC's only cherry picked opponent, so were

Oscar Larios (a man who jumped up two divisions to face Manny, and was coming off of a TKO loss)

Fahsan 3K Battery (had 7 losses, 4 of them back to back and were his first four pro bouts)

Dude we already established that Diaz is NOT a cherry picked fight. Hello? Earth to ETM. Judging from your username im guessing your still bitter from ETM's retirement am i right?

Remember It was Pac who jumped UP weight NOT diaz. Plus the fact that Pac wasnt even groomed to fight big matches supposed to be since the first match that he made a name for himself was purely lucked with him to be a REPLACEMENT. And the replacement didnt disappoint seeing he beat the crap out of the champion he fought. (Forgot the name of the champion)


P.S. Thanks for the rep.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Diaz isn't PAC's only cherry picked opponent, so were

Oscar Larios (a man who jumped up two divisions to face Manny, and was coming off of a TKO loss)

Fahsan 3K Battery (had 7 losses, 4 of them back to back and were his first four pro bouts)

Dude we already established that Diaz is NOT a cherry picked fight. Hello? Earth to ETM. Judging from your username im guessing your still bitter from ETM's retirement am i right?

Remember It was Pac who jumped UP weight NOT diaz. Plus the fact that Pac wasnt even groomed to fight big matches supposed to be since the first match that he made a name for himself was purely lucked with him to be a REPLACEMENT. And the replacement didnt disappoint seeing he beat the crap out of the champion he fought. (Forgot the name of the champion)


P.S. Thanks for the rep.

bitter? i gave Manny all the props in the world for his two wins over Morales, so get your shit straight, and Diaz was cherry picked seeing how he was the weakest FIGHTER at 135, whose two biggest wins were, a lucky knockout, and a controversial decision win against a shot Morales, hell his very next fight was a Majority Decision against an unknown with barely 20 pro fights, 4 of which were losses, and obviously Manny went up to take on Diaz, he wanted Diaz's trinket, same thing Mayweather did with Gatti, doesn't mean it wasn't cherry picked, quite the opposite really

[hakkai999]

Diaz isn't PAC's only cherry picked opponent, so were

Oscar Larios (a man who jumped up two divisions to face Manny, and was coming off of a TKO loss)

Fahsan 3K Battery (had 7 losses, 4 of them back to back and were his first four pro bouts)

Dude we already established that Diaz is NOT a cherry picked fight. Hello? Earth to ETM. Judging from your username im guessing your still bitter from ETM's retirement am i right?

Remember It was Pac who jumped UP weight NOT diaz. Plus the fact that Pac wasnt even groomed to fight big matches supposed to be since the first match that he made a name for himself was purely lucked with him to be a REPLACEMENT. And the replacement didnt disappoint seeing he beat the crap out of the champion he fought. (Forgot the name of the champion)


P.S. Thanks for the rep.

bitter? i gave Manny all the props in the world for his two wins over Morales, so get your shit straight, and Diaz was cherry picked seeing how he was the weakest FIGHTER at 135, whose two biggest wins were, a lucky knockout, and a controversial decision win against a shot Morales, hell his very next fight was a Majority Decision against an unknown with barely 20 pro fights, 4 of which were losses, and obviously Manny went up to take on Diaz, he wanted Diaz's trinket, same thing Mayweather did with Gatti, doesn't mean it wasn't cherry picked, quite the opposite really

Dude he picked the champ at 135. Even if your opinion or that Diaz stands but look he was aiming at champs. You may see better fighters at 135 but you cant change the fact that the champ usually means your the top of a class. I mean he wouldnt be a 4-time lineal champ if he DIDNT take on diaz. P.S. SOOORRYY *Sarcasm* for being new to this site and NOT know what you thought about ETM's loss to Pac. Thats why i said "Judging from your username" ok buddy?

[ElTerribleMorales]

Dude we already established that Diaz is NOT a cherry picked fight. Hello? Earth to ETM. Judging from your username im guessing your still bitter from ETM's retirement am i right?

Remember It was Pac who jumped UP weight NOT diaz. Plus the fact that Pac wasnt even groomed to fight big matches supposed to be since the first match that he made a name for himself was purely lucked with him to be a REPLACEMENT. And the replacement didnt disappoint seeing he beat the crap out of the champion he fought. (Forgot the name of the champion)


P.S. Thanks for the rep.

bitter? i gave Manny all the props in the world for his two wins over Morales, so get your shit straight, and Diaz was cherry picked seeing how he was the weakest FIGHTER at 135, whose two biggest wins were, a lucky knockout, and a controversial decision win against a shot Morales, hell his very next fight was a Majority Decision against an unknown with barely 20 pro fights, 4 of which were losses, and obviously Manny went up to take on Diaz, he wanted Diaz's trinket, same thing Mayweather did with Gatti, doesn't mean it wasn't cherry picked, quite the opposite really

Dude he picked the champ at 135. Even if your opinion or that Diaz stands but look he was aiming at champs. You may see better fighters at 135 but you cant change the fact that the champ usually means your the top of a class. I mean he wouldnt be a 4-time lineal champ if he DIDNT take on diaz. P.S. SOOORRYY *Sarcasm* for being new to this site and NOT know what you thought about ETM's loss to Pac. Thats why i said "Judging from your username" ok buddy?

no, he picked a titlist at 135, Joel Casamayor was the lineal/Ring Champion at 135 and that's who JMM fought and KTFO, Pacquiao NEVER WAS lineal champion at 135, so my advice is actually learn something about BOXING, and not just tid bits on Pacquiao trivia, you're a flavor of the month fan, enough said

[Quinito]

The pac-larios fight was just a tune up fight for pac-em 3,.. just like pac-velazquez tune up fight for pac-em 2 and pac-larios for pac-mab 2. I also consider pac-diaz fight as a tune up fight. cherry picking or not, Pac was just testing the waters in heavier weight class.

[hakkai999]

Dude im just sharing thing of what i know. Im what you call a new fan of boxing. I didnt care much about this sport since i found it boring and pointless to watch. Ever since ive been watching Pac ever since he went big fights i saw how exciting and interesting boxing is. Its like chess in a whole new level. If my knowledge is not enough and/or wrong its not that im stupid and or what your call a flavor of the month fan its because im new and im not telling everyone im perfect. If you think yourself too highly then your an arrogant and stuck up that keeps new fans like me from liking and discussing this sport.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Dude im just sharing thing of what i know. Im what you call a new fan of boxing. I didnt care much about this sport since i found it boring and pointless to watch. Ever since ive been watching Pac ever since he went big fights i saw how exciting and interesting boxing is. Its like chess in a whole new level. If my knowledge is not enough and/or wrong its not that im stupid and or what your call a flavor of the month fan its because im new and im not telling everyone im perfect. If you think yourself too highly then your an arrogant and stuck up b-tard that keeps new fans like me from liking and discussing this sport.

well you should seriously do research before making claims like the ones you already have cause you just make yourself look like an idiot by making some of the claims that you have

[XaduBoxer]

Dude im just sharing thing of what i know. Im what you call a new fan of boxing. I didnt care much about this sport since i found it boring and pointless to watch. Ever since ive been watching Pac ever since he went big fights i saw how exciting and interesting boxing is. Its like chess in a whole new level. If my knowledge is not enough and/or wrong its not that im stupid and or what your call a flavor of the month fan its because im new and im not telling everyone im perfect. If you think yourself too highly then your an arrogant and stuck up b-tard that keeps new fans like me from liking and discussing this sport.

You're doing good dude... I think you got the better points with your discussion with this guy ETM... Just keep the discussion objective and within forum rules...

Trust me... You're doing well and made the right decision to become a fan of this exciting sport of boxing...
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[hakkai999]

Pfff im tired of arguing with that guy. I havent posted much didnt you even see that? Thats because i barely know the sport thats why I DONT POST ON I DONT KNOW. Sure i made 1 mistake. Its not like im stuck up on it. I admit it! I was wrong so yeah.

[fan johnny]

Diaz isn't PAC's only cherry picked opponent, so were

Oscar Larios (a man who jumped up two divisions to face Manny, and was coming off of a TKO loss)

Fahsan 3K Battery (had 7 losses, 4 of them back to back and were his first four pro bouts)

Dude we already established that Diaz is NOT a cherry picked fight. Hello? Earth to ETM. Judging from your username im guessing your still bitter from ETM's retirement am i right?

Remember It was Pac who jumped UP weight NOT diaz. Plus the fact that Pac wasnt even groomed to fight big matches supposed to be since the first match that he made a name for himself was purely lucked with him to be a REPLACEMENT. And the replacement didnt disappoint seeing he beat the crap out of the champion he fought. (Forgot the name of the champion)


P.S. Thanks for the rep.

What is the definition of cherry picking? an idiom in boxing meaning "The least risk with the most reward" (an understood you)

Larios was a home coming fight, if I remember correctly and was a title defense as was the Solis fight. Part of that Mexican assassin era. Neither of these fighters qualify for the definition.

Of any fighter Pacquiao ever faced in his career David Diaz would come closes to the definition. "The least risk with the most reward" While he was moving up in weight, it was easiest belt to win in the weightclass. However, I think the decision to face Diaz was more an of Arum / Roach pick rather than Manny's pick. It was one that Arum favored because it was all in the Top Rank family . It was a fight to promote Pacquiao's career that proved to be a brilliant move.

[DaxxKahn]

Excellent posting daxxkhan. The dlh-pac fight was a huge gamble for team pac. i myself picked de la hoya to win, and i'm sure u did too. nobody knew oscar was gonna show up that way.

Exactly mate, Everyone including myself thought the size difference especially with fact Manny had only fought at 135 once befor making the jump up was just going top be the huge factor.

Mother nature wins eventually type thing but Because DLH drained himself is supposed to take away from Mannys victory, truth is no matter what condition Oscar was in if Manny won there would have been excuses for why he did.

That is why I referenced Hatton in my other post because 140 was Httons division and he was the Ring Champion, not just recently either.

But it was Mannys fault Ricky could not get out of the way of his punches....

People need to just give credit where it is due at times...

I dislike a lot of fighters but give the credit deserved...

EG- PBF is an asshole who has cherry picked fights through half his career but aside from it there is no taking away from his talent. It was not even to say he could not beat the guys he avoided just he was not willing to put in the chances of losing

[P4PChamp]

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They could have all cared less if Mayweather never came back. At no time even when he was full time and #1 P4P did anyone need or want PBF and it had nothing to do with his skill set.

He is boring, a lousy PPV attraction, he has carefully and I REPEAT CAREFULLY PICKED HIS OPPONENTS OVER THE YEARS, not to say he was scared of anyone but he did always manage to take the least dangerous bouts available in the perspective divisions since his 135lb days.

Floyd is fooling no one the reason he went with Marquez has nothing to do with him being called out or a fight with Manny not being able to be made or as a Warm up. Because no one not even PBF believes Marquez is a warm up.

Floyd took this fight to use as a measuring stick, Marquez has been Manny's biggest challenge and closest in beating him since Morales

Mayweather wants to see how much trouble Marquez gives him to get an idea on what Manny will be like

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DAXXKAHN,

Anyway, good job of explaining your thoughts in your post, something I might add, that is not indicative of a lot of rebuttals on these threads. My replies to your original questions/statements appear below in brackets, I tried to make my replies bold, but didn't know how. Ignore the quoted post above.

The only thing laughable are your last 33 post, In case you don't know and it is obvious you don't, DLH went after Pacquiao not the other way around, Manny is the much much smaller man and jumped up 2 divisions to accept the challenge and to top it off he only had 1 fight at 135 so the combination of the 2 make it a pretty impressive feat.

[[I knew that, actually Merchant proposed the idea of the fight originally I think and Oscar bit, I could be wrong on that. However, as I've stated, Roach knew that Oscar would be dead at the weight. He even so much as said so before and after the fight, that's paraphrasing a little I know, but close to what he said. Why do you think they always talk catchweight with other proposed fighters? Roach knows they have something left! Much credit to Roach for accepting Oscar's terms regardless of the fact that Oscar dictated all of them. He knew what he was doing, Oscar was a marque name! I don't blame Pac for making a lot of money either.]]

Before the bout between Pacquiao and DLH no one was saying anything about DLH being washed up or drained in fact it was the opposite, it was all "Oscar is just too big" but because DLH could not handle making the weight Pacquiao all of a sudden went looking for a weaker DLH? Since when has anyone been the one to choose DLH as their opponent Oscar calls the shots in that dept.

[[Don't include me in the, "Oscar was too big," scenario before the fight. I wasn't posting on here at the time though and I can't prove I didn't feel that way so it is a moot point and of no practical importance for me to claim otherwise. I will agree the opinion that Oscar was too big was ubiquitous on this forum before Pac/Oscar as I was a member but only a reader at the time. I can admit that I did not think Pac would win that easy but was fairly sure he would out hustle Oscar at that weight.]]

And your excuse for the Hatton destruction is? Since Hatton was undefeated at 140 and had been the man in the division for the better part of 3 years without question but I suppose Manny cherry picked that fight as well?

[[No excuse here! The Hatton fight is the one that I did give him credit for (but I don't think Hatton was the same mentally after being KOed by FM. )The last part of that sentence in parentheses is said in retrospect though so it holds little weight. However, Hatton was considered the best man out there at 140 so props to Pac for taking this fight as he didn't know how easy it would be for him prior to the fight. He just got in the ring and fought. I personally thought Hatton would beat him or give him a tough fight at least.]]

A draw and a win over Marquez then Manny jumps a division up to fight a WORLD CHAMPION!!!! who at the time his only other loss was to Kendall Holt a massive puncher and the loss came at a higher weight class.....

[[We will have to agree to disagree here as I am not that impressed with Holt and definitely not impressed with David Diaz, WORLD CHAMPION or not.]]

I suppose PBF facing Gatti instead of any odf the other title holders at 140 was a better matchup right? A shot Gatti to top it off

[[Absolutely not, Gatti was not the best matchup for Floyd at the time. This was Floyd handpicking an opponent at its very best! As a side note, IMO Floyd should have one loss on his record. I feel he lost the first fight to Castillo.]]

PBF is now and always has been a lousy PPV draw FACT!!! The numbers don't lie sorry

[[I will not dispute this statement despite what Floyd thinks. He has usually had a good dance partner when appearing on PPV which has helped him.]]

Seems you spend a lot of time here hating on Pacquiao about 85% of your post thus far are about taking away from Mannys ability and trying to make him sound over rated....

[[I will leave specifically using the word (overrated) alone until Pac fights either of Shane, Floyd, Cotto, etc. If he wins I won't run and hide and can freely admit it if I am wrong about anything. If either of these fights do happen and the opponent is Shane or Cotto and it occurs at some ridiculous catchweight of, say, 142 then I will still be wrong but that is all I will admit to. I'm sure you know my opinion on this matter of catchweight so I don't have to explain further. If on the other hand the fight were at 145, even though it's a catchweight (cringe), then I would probably write up a lengthly post crediting Pac for the win. I just can't see Shane or Cotto going below 145 and being anywhere near effective. A 142 catchweight would not apply to Floyd though as he can make 142 fairly easy and still be effective, IMO.]]

Seems you are nothing more then a hater....Don't get me wrong a fan bou is just as bad but you make a fool of yourself by trying to make Pacquiao sound over rated and as if he is just a run of the mill fighter or if he avoided Marquez by not fighting a third fight right away

[[Negative, no fool here, although I don't think you meant that in a general sense. I actually have a very good education, AND I don't hate anyone or anything. That includes anything that walks, talks, swims, crawls, or digs a hole. I am actually quite a benign person in my everyday life. I also spend zero time worrying about what others think of me as I am what I am and others are going to think what they want either way.

Now to address your statement:

It is not as if Marquez just casually mentioned wanting to fight Pac again, he actively pursued the third fight. The decision was razor thin and he wanted to prove he was the better man as he thought he won and I did too. Fighting back to back against the same opponent is not tremendously uncommon. Vazquez/R Marquez is one trilogy that comes to mind with all three fights occuring in the space of one year or less. As stated above I will wait a little while on assessing how overrated Pac may or may not be, but as you already know I don't give Pac near the credit that some do for two of the last three aforementioned fights. So, I am basically letting it be known PRIOR to the possible bouts that could take place in the future that I have my reservations about him. If I am right no one can say I said it AFTER the fact as with your analogy pertaining to Oscar about people saying he was "too big" prior to their fight. If in the event I am wrong I stated what I would do previously above depending on the circumstances, no problem.]]

The fact PBF is such a lousy draw regardless of in ring skills shows to make money he is the one who needs to accept the biggest fights available

[[Agree, he should have done that a long time ago as his chance to build a lasting legacy will soon pass him by. We, along with Floyd do not know for sure how good he really is. We know he has a lot of skill but that's about it.]]

PBF retired did he not? Because he comes back the sport is supposed to stand still at his mercy? Sorry does not work like that and again he is not the draw so he is in no ay in a position to demand anything when it comes to splits

[[He might not be the draw in reality but it will be hard to convince him he's not especially if he beats Marquez fairly easy. It won't matter who he fights after Marquez he will want to be the man in any negotiations.]]

These guys can nget paid just as much in fights without Floyd

[[In most fights I would agree. I, however, do not feel that if either Shane or Cotto fight Pac that the fight will generate near the kind of money Pac and Floyd will make together. So a Floyd/Pac fight is exclusive to your statement IMO. The public would like to see this fight for sure.]]

Where was old Money Mayweather when Williams, Margarito, Cotto were all available?

[[Well, he was being Floyd. This doesn't require an in depth explanation. I do think he has the skill to beat Margarito and Cotto. Williams? That would be a tall order with Paul's speed, youth, reach, size, workrate, athleticism, etc. Of course on any given night anything can happen as William's loss to Quintana confirms.]]