Issues on reach

[Andre]

With guys who have a longer reach that are trying to hustle you out with the ummm lets call it the 'long pole technique' You give it light shove one way with your lead glove ,when they react you slip that lead glove around their arm to help them go the way they are heading on the reaction (the reverse way to your original push,you revolve your wrist is all and let it pass or drop it and let them through then place it back, best to revolve though so remain in contact so you know what they are doing. . You can launch that same arm straight up their arm like a runway if you have moved behind it or step in to them controlling with the lead glove around their elbow point and launch the rear hand underneath their next reaction which will be back towards centre again,hook them around it then with your right. you need to learn what sides suit southies comming at you and same stancers. It worth messin with.

Practice by having someone push against your forearm and you drop your glove circling it to the inside and down then out and lift your elbow slightly remain in contact with that glove to arm and move into which ever range suits where your heading. See how you have moved from inside to outside their arm and their reaction is inwards to cover the first little shove; so you use their arm movment as cover for the final attack(go around it and bomb them with the same arm if you got the footwork to back it or push it across their centre line and attack underit with your rear as you step into them.

Works reverse for people in opposite stances but works well both ways push from inside slip out or push from out and move in close and take them with the rear hand .

You can of course push lightly for the reaction and then instantly slip straight under with same arm and attack below it as you move in;
you just replace your left glove with your right glove for cover of his same arm as you go forward then your set up to use that arm on him.

If your in a right arm lead verses left arm lead situation ; you can go in the same way instantly off his reaction but you gotta cover his rear arm cause your heading right into the danger zone. But if your an inside fighter against someone who has it in their mind to keep you on the outside at all costs and you have covered both his arms on his reaction on the way in like that; its your move when you are in distance cause he is still reacting and isnt set. you may get clocked with his left for your trouble but he isnt set to hook you until he steps then lands so its going to be soft compared with what you are doing with movment,distancing and having the guns loaded already cocked with your weight following them in.

[Singularity]

Thanks for your ideas guys, you've been very helpful. I'm guessing my main issue is not doubling up the jab. I've been trying out some ideas shadow boxing alot and i'll tell you the outcome of our next spar.

Is it legal to hit someone's arm as they swing to hit you?

[Chris Nagel]

As long as you're not holding, hitting your opponent's arms is legal. Though I don't see much use in it for it in the amateurs. One thing that you could do is check (press against) their bicep as their starting the swing, and then quickly follow up with your other hand. That can be dangerous if you don't know what you're doing. Personally seeing as swings are easier to counter, I'd prefer to either duck under it, or roll inside of their arm and counter

[Singularity]

Ok as I was thinking of maybe hitting his arm as it swung in as it would stop the punch and hurt his arm, maybe not the most effective way.

I've found a good video explaining a few counters for the right overhand here though. The other two in that series are a great help for anyone learning to counter the right hand.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCJd9v7HABU

[Andre]

As long as you're not holding, hitting your opponent's arms is legal. Though I don't see much use in it for it in the amateurs. One thing that you could do is check (press against) their bicep as their starting the swing, and then quickly follow up with your other hand. That can be dangerous if you don't know what you're doing. Personally seeing as swings are easier to counter, I'd prefer to either duck under it, or roll inside of their arm and counter

More for pro nose to nose in an all out war or caught o the ropes but: if your in between their arms and they swing one wild you can turn to face it move forwards into it while blocking with your forearm or elbow throwing your free hand straight up his centreline all in one movment as you head out on that angle where it came from. Better than staying put copping more of the same.

[donnydarkoIRL]

To the original post, you say he leans back from your jab.

Unless you're getting countered I don't see that as a problem.
The idea is not to get hit and if feinting a jab prevents damge, then flick it out there.

Its your subsequent punches I'd be more concerned with landing.

If you circle right, keep on point and throw a fast jab, you shouldn't be too concerned with his right hand.

[Andre]

Is it legal to hit someone's arm as they swing to hit you?

Yep and to attack their forearm with your elbow as a block to anything thats comes in round works a treat but if you dont turn to face it, it will come around your elbow and clock you hard so it has to practiced and timed so you know when you can use it.

You wont hurt someones arm much with a glove unless you can trap their arm straight out with one of yours and attack under their arm with your other one r catch and turn your body weight into the outside of their arm thats not legal.

Thats why I recon a light tap on the way in for interruption of their movement and balance counts for allot more than a committed attack on their arm that will be countered.

Think ba bang/ interuption redistance smack. or tap ba bang interupption ,slip, smack. Its a bit like pulling someones foot a little further towards you with your lead foot hooked in behind theirs as they step forwards,its not legal, wont hurt them, but watch their arms go out.

Of course none of this stuff will work all the time. It works best when your both tired, end rounds or when they are schooling you and you cant get out of a rut. Then anything that disrupts the timing of the fight gives you an edge; if you know how to capitalize on it because you have been training it into your system.